Game Thread Spurs (9-4) vs Grizzlies (4-10) (Tue 11/18/25) [7:00PM CDT]

Memphis curse lives, just in an alternate form.
 
Timing just sucks, because Wemby and Fox have gotten relatively zero playing time together. Hopefully they get the injury bug out of their system soon.
 
The good news on DJG is he is only questionable because he's in Austin. There is no medical issue with him. I hope we give him some run tomorrow.
 
Man, it's like you can hear the tankathon warming up in the background.
 
Ice009 said:
Oh, wow. Fuck. Spurs are just going to sit players for that injury. Is every team going to do this? Are we even certain that calf strains lead to Achilles tears/injuries?
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Several cohort studies have shown no correlation between calf strains and Achilles tendon rupture.

But I think what’s happening now is that the sports doctors are being more cautious due to the strange uptick in the number of cases in Achilles injuries right after a calf strain.

One explanation for this is that it’s just a freak coincidence, since both of those injuries are actually over exertion injuries, in that their bodies were pushed beyond what they’re ready for at a given time, rather than one causing the other.

Of course, with hundred million dollar athletes on the line, I can understand their doctors being overly cautious.
 
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Jones-Garcia should backup Fox and be played alongside Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, Olynyk in the non Fox minutes.

Vassell masquerading at PG was fine for spot minutes in a half, but that's about it.
 
XenoThirteen said:
Several cohort studies have shown no correlation between calf strains and Achilles tendon rupture.

But I think what’s happening now is that the sports doctors are being more cautious due to the strange uptick in the number of cases in Achilles injuries right after a calf strain.

One explanation for this is that it’s just a freak coincidence, since both of those injuries are actually over exertion injuries, in that their bodies were pushed beyond what they’re ready for at a given time, rather than one causing the other.

Of course, with hundred million dollar athletes on the line, I can understand their doctors being overly cautious.
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Thanks. My thoughts on it are to play through it if it's minor as I don't believe the two are directly related, but that's me just guessing. And what you said it true about millions of dollars being on the line. I suppose because they think the two could be related is another reason they're being extra cautious.

I also assume Achilles injuries are still the hardest (of the lower leg injuries) for any athlete to come back from (even with advancements in modern medicine) and also one of the longest recovery times to get back close to 100%. Would you say that is correct?
 
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Ice009 said:
Great, 3 of our 4 best players are out. Durability is a big concern these days. Castle is usually one of the best on the team as far as durability goes.

Fox is going to feel like he's back in Sacramento having to carry the load again. I have no doubt Fox will play big, but will get enough help?
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It could be a silver lining, a season-turning event. Fox gets the rust off and goes back to dominating like he did in Sacramento. The guy is going to an all-you-can-eat buffet with the other high-usage-rate guys being out.

Or he could suck. We'll see.
 
Ice009 said:
Thanks. My thoughts on it are to play through it if it's minor as I don't believe the two are directly related, but that's me just guessing. And what you said it true about millions of dollars being on the line. I suppose because they think the two could be related in another reason they're being extra cautious.

I also assume Achilles injuries are still the hardest (of the lower leg injuries) for any athlete to come back from (even with advancements in modern medicine) and also one of the longest recovery times to get back close to 100%. Would you say that is correct?
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I actually agree with you. The best way to get stronger is to train and play more. Wemby is already a hard worker though, so I suppose his young body not being ready for the load yet (he’s been playing more minutes this year than usual) could have played a role in this particular injury.

On your last point, yeah, it’s difficult to come back from an Achilles injury. Durant is such an anomaly because he came back like nothing happened, because other athletes have lost a lot of athleticism. It was seen as career altering, if not outright career ending.

Considering that worst case scenario, even if it has even a tiny risk of it happening, 2 more weeks of rest could mean adding years to Wemby’s hopefully legendary career.

Besides, I’m sure no physician would want “Cleared Wembanyama to play, who ended his career a few weeks later” on their resume lol.
 
DTW said:
Jones-Garcia should backup Fox and be played alongside Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, Olynyk in the non Fox minutes.

Vassell masquerading at PG was fine for spot minutes in a half, but that's about it.
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DJG can’t dribble. He’s not really a PG either. I love his scoring ability but he tries to do too much and he gets ripped or loses the ball because of his lack of handle.
 
Ice009 said:
Oh, wow. Fuck. Spurs are just going to sit players for that injury. Is every team going to do this? Are we even certain that calf strains lead to Achilles tears/injuries?
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Both Hali and Tatum were playing with calf injuries when their Achilles tendons popped. Do you want Victor and Dylan to suck it up, have the same thing happen, and miss a season?
 
Exstatic said:
Both Hali and Tatum were playing with calf injuries when their Achilles tendons popped. Do you want Victor and Dylan to suck it up, have the same thing happen, and miss a season?
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Personally, I don't believe there is any direct evidence that it's caused by that, and personally, I think if it's minor, players should play through it unless it gets worse while they're trying to play through it, then they should sit.

Again, not saying I'm right or wrong, but that's my opinion on it. And no, I don't think Dylan should play through it as his looks a lot worse. I wasn't saying he should play through it. He was struggling to walk right after, so I could see his wasn't mild. I was just talking about players in general with minor strains. I wasn't referring to Dylan's one. I was saying are they going to sit all players in the NBA (not just the Spurs) that now have calf strains. I don't think they should. Victor, I can understand the caution due to what's at stake even with a minor one.
 
Ice009 said:
Personally, I don't believe there is any direct evidence that it's caused by that, and personally, I think if it's minor, players should play through it unless it gets worse while they're trying to play through it, then they should sit.

Again, not saying I'm right or wrong, but that's my opinion on it. And no, I don't think Dylan should play through it as his looks a lot worse. I wasn't saying he should play through it. He was struggling to walk right after, so I could see his wasn't mild. I was just talking about players in general with minor strains. I wasn't referring to Dylan's one. I was saying are they going to sit all players in the NBA (not just the Spurs) that now have calf strains. I don't think they should. Victor, I can understand the caution due to what's at stake even with a minor one.
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Are you a doctor?
 
Exstatic said:
Are you a doctor?
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@XenoThirteen apparently is a doctor and states that that are several cohort studies showing there is no correlation between calf strains and Achilles ruptures.

Are you a doctor? What's your scientific evidence besides "thing happened, then other thing happened"?

I'm fine with the Spurs being cautious, but don't be acting like you're the medical expert all of a sudden.
 
LeBowen said:
Fox/Vassell/Champ/Barnes/Kornet
DJG/Waters/Bryant/Sochan/Olynyk

That's actually the ideal starting lineup for Fox.
Hard screens from Kornet and our best shooters on the floor around him.
He has to prove he's worth the extension, tbh.
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Yes great test for Fox

The few games last year were unfair when wemby went out.
No all star PG would have won games with the corpses of Chris Paul and Biyambo in the starting lineup
 
LeBowen said:
Fox/Vassell/Champ/Barnes/Kornet
DJG/Waters/Bryant/Sochan/Olynyk

That's actually the ideal starting lineup for Fox.
Hard screens from Kornet and our best shooters on the floor around him.
He has to prove he's worth the extension, tbh.
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does barnes starting make sense without wemby?
 
scott said:
@XenoThirteen apparently is a doctor and states that that are several cohort studies showing there is no correlation between calf strains and Achilles ruptures.

Are you a doctor? What's your scientific evidence besides "thing happened, then other thing happened"?

I'm fine with the Spurs being cautious, but don't be acting like you're the medical expert all of a sudden.
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I’m not a doctor. I’m just not contesting the treatment course of one or more of the Spurs doctors based on my feelings. Can you see the difference? I only referenced the most recent two instances, not mentioning KD in GS. Same thing happened. I’d say that’s at least in the realm of anecdotal evidence, and probably more valid than ‘I feel…’.

If the doctor you quoted isn’t a professional sports physician, I’m not sure how much more valid his opinion is than @Ice009 feelings. Pro athletes use and stress their muscles and other soft tissue orders of magnitude more than even a competitive amateur athlete.
 
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