NBA 2025 NBA Offseason thread

Kuminga obviously doesn't want to be there and they haven't offered enough for him to reconsider.
He knows he'll be a trading chip even if he extends, so he decided to gamble on himself.

The Warriors are done, their only goal is to at least be somewhat competitive into the playoffs over the next few seasons so Curry can retire with dignity.
 
Exstatic said:
Committed =/= signed
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Obviously, but we've known for awhile that Horford and others have been waiting to announce their decisions until the Kuminga situation was resolved. So if they're FINALLY announcing it, it's logical to assume that some resolution to the Kuminga situation is coming soon
 
Kuminga QO deadline is 10/1, so they probably felt comfortable announcing that Horford will be signing though it still needs to wait for those chips to fall where they may.
 
Apparently Grimes asked for 17 a year from the Sixers and they refused to offer him that much. Not on team flight for Abu Dhabi preseason.
He averaged 22/5/4 on 47/37/75 in 25 games with the Sixers.
Am I missing something here?
 
LeBowen said:
Apparently Grimes asked for 17 a year from the Sixers and they refused to offer him that much. Not on team flight for Abu Dhabi preseason.
He averaged 22/5/4 on 47/37/75 in 25 games with the Sixers.
Am I missing something here?
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The small sample size. I had to mention that, since I constantly get beat overnthebheadvwith it.
 
Exstatic said:
The small sample size. I had to mention that, since I constantly get beat overnthebheadvwith it.
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It's a fair point, but it's not like those are the only 25 games Grimes has played in his career.

In his second season with NYK, he was a 11ppg guy, shooting .386 from 3. He had some injuries and got traded to DET the following season, but then to start last season with DAL before being traded to PHI he averaged 10ppg on .398 from 3.

So even if you exclude those 28 games to end the season with PHI, he's put up some respectable numbers.

With that said, if you exclude those 28 games with PHI, I'd agree that $17/yr is maybe a little rich. He doesn't really play great D, so he's just yet another example of that archetype that just isn't very valuable, though he is a good 3P shooter. If you asked me if I'd rather pay him $17MM or Devin $27MM... I think I'd go with the better 3P shooter. I'd certainly rather pay him $17MM than Keldon. Just goes to show how much the economics of the league have changed with the new CBA.

But, the last thing PHI needs is to pay another guard after drafting VJ... unless they're going to give up on McCain who can't seem to stay healthy.
 
The league as a whole is out on score first, no D guards, especially the dreaded undersized ones (not that Grimes is undersized). Look how Cam Thomas got squeezed this off season. In this era of cap aprons teams have realized the easiest, most abundant talent to find are scoring guards with questionable defense and thus are the easiest sacrifice to make when it comes time to pay them. And yes, I realize if you squint a little Fox fits that mold unfortunately. Hopefully De'aaron can get back on track to where he was 2 years ago with a legit squad of ascending players around him.

Players from that mold need to have a truly elite skill or quality to separate themselves.
 
Keldon is the better comparison than Fox. Just a guy who can score 1 on 5 more than the next guy but can’t do anything else.

Fox is a little similar but has supernatural powers to go along with it. His speed makes no sense and separates him from Keldon, DLo, Lonnie, etc.

Grimes seems a little more rounded but teams are justifiably worried he’s fools gold on tank squads.
 
dn0774 said:
The league as a whole is out on score first, no D guards, especially the dreaded undersized ones (not that Grimes is undersized). Look how Cam Thomas got squeezed this off season. In this era of cap aprons teams have realized the easiest, most abundant talent to find are scoring guards with questionable defense and thus are the easiest sacrifice to make when it comes time to pay them. And yes, I realize if you squint a little Fox fits that mold unfortunately. Hopefully De'aaron can get back on track to where he was 2 years ago with a legit squad of ascending players around him.

Players from that mold need to have a truly elite skill or quality to separate themselves.
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He doesn't really fit that mold - and it's nothing unfortunate, even if he did a little.

People get so caught up in these "player archetype value" discussions that they lose sight of the basics: basketball is a game of scoring more points than your opponent. If the player in question can score a bunch of points, without giving them up on the other side, then he's only got efficiency left as a question mark. Fox has been a good defender throughout his career, while also being an amazing scorer; there's no issue with him being a "lookalike" because he doesn't share the fundamental flaw of negative defense.

I'm curious to see how his shot changes/improves with the finger fixed, but he was already a notable positive in his few games last year (didn't he even score a game-winner shot on his first or second game, that was waved off by a second's delay?). He's no Keldon (or Devin :st-lol:). And then you consider him playing alongside the likely DPOY.......... Nasty.
 
GSW is fighting age with Dray/Curry/JB but they were still pretty tough last playoffs until Curry went down. But eventually the bottom will fall out and I guess they just want to offramp gently from Curry era. Meanwhile, kinda nice offseason with Kuminga sorted out and Horford, GPII and Melton on board. Santos, TJD and Post were interesting and Bpodz, Hield are somewhat legit. Moody is less enthralling. Wonder how they fare
 
heyheymymy said:
GSW is fighting age with Dray/Curry/JB but they were still pretty tough last playoffs until Curry went down. But eventually the bottom will fall out and I guess they just want to offramp gently from Curry era. Meanwhile, kinda nice offseason with Kuminga sorted out and Horford, GPII and Melton on board. Santos, TJD and Post were interesting and Bpodz, Hield are somewhat legit. Moody is less enthralling. Wonder how they fare
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Kuminga is a trade chip, I'd be surprised if he's still with GSW post trade deadline.
 
Ariel said:
Kuminga is a trade chip, I'd be surprised if he's still with GSW post trade deadline.
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Agreed. Imagine if they can convert him into another star player via trade with say Hield and Moody plus Kuminga salary to bring back something useful. Kuminga trade eligible date: Jan 30th
 
"The deal has a team option designed for the contract to be ripped up and renegotiated next summer."

Interesting verbiage. Seems more like a saving face remark because, once under contract, neither the Warriors nor the team that trades for him is under any legal obligation to rip and renegotiate.
 
dn0774 said:
The league as a whole is out on score first, no D guards, especially the dreaded undersized ones (not that Grimes is undersized). Look how Cam Thomas got squeezed this off season. In this era of cap aprons teams have realized the easiest, most abundant talent to find are scoring guards with questionable defense and thus are the easiest sacrifice to make when it comes time to pay them. And yes, I realize if you squint a little Fox fits that mold unfortunately. Hopefully De'aaron can get back on track to where he was 2 years ago with a legit squad of ascending players around him.

Players from that mold need to have a truly elite skill or quality to separate themselves.
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About damn time. Those guys rarely help a team win. They have their uses, especially on a team where someone needs to score, but they've largely been wayyyy overpaid for their often inefficient scoring vs their impact on wins. But points are easy to evaluate and impact is much more ambiguous.
And Fox definitely fits that mold but his elite/world-class court speed has boosted his efficiency and that's gotten him to the FT line at a very good to great clip (until last season). Hopefully that speed doesn't run out before his contract.
 
NotoriousHOP said:
"The deal has a team option designed for the contract to be ripped up and renegotiated next summer."

Interesting verbiage. Seems more like a saving face remark because, once under contract, neither the Warriors nor the team that trades for him is under any legal obligation to rip and renegotiate.
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shams always feeds agent intel
 
NotoriousHOP said:
"The deal has a team option designed for the contract to be ripped up and renegotiated next summer."

Interesting verbiage. Seems more like a saving face remark because, once under contract, neither the Warriors nor the team that trades for him is under any legal obligation to rip and renegotiate.
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I mean, thats just a wordy way of saying the 2nd year is a team option, correct? lol. So basically, Kuminga and his agent lost the stalemate. Taking the negotiations public really just backed GS into a corner where if they gave in it would set a losing precedent going forward into any other negotiation.
 
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