Player The Layne Staley Depression-Laden Foxhole of De'Aaron Martez Fox

[spurs3223]

Of course I don't care how the money is distributed as long as we are winning championships. I'm just telling you your hypothetical scenario is never going to happen. In today's NBA, where cap space is at a premium, you will never see a max contract coming off the bench. When the time comes for Harper to be placed in the starting lineup, Fox will be traded for other assets.

We'll see what happens. We haven't seen the Spurs roll out the 3 headed monster much this year (like 25 minutes total or something?) but if that becomes a thing, I could see a lot of possibilities open up.

 

[Exstatic]

That was a great game but that is one game, I would have expected him to do that in game 2 when Wemby went down. I don’t think that it is too much to ask from the highest salary on the team. I don’t have a problem with him being a TP type player but for TP type salary.

Anyway, we’ll see how he plays the rest of rhe playoffs

TP, at Fox’s age, was making bank.

 

[Exstatic]

Of course I don't care how the money is distributed as long as we are winning championships. I'm just telling you your hypothetical scenario is never going to happen. In today's NBA, where cap space is at a premium, you will never see a max contract coming off the bench. When the time comes for Harper to be placed in the starting lineup, Fox will be traded for other assets.

,,,or Vassell goes to the bench.

I do think Fox will be traded, probably summer of 28, but you want to squeeze all of the juice out of this three headed guard corps orange. Harper will need to start before we need to trade Fox.

 

[frenchfred]

TP, at Fox’s age, was making bank.

TP never signed a max contract and had pretty much the same stats as Fox at 28. If Fox was going to make his current salary, for the next 4 years; I would not have a problem; that would not change the fact that we would have to move him eventually (if Harper develops as we are expecting) but that would give the Spurs room to get other role players

 

[Exstatic]

TP never signed a max contract and had pretty much the same stats as Fox at 28. If Fox was going to make his current salary, for the next 4 years; I would not have a problem; that would not change the fact that we would have to move him eventually (if Harper develops as we are expecting) but that would give the Spurs room to get other role players

Fox leaving won’t create any room, once the young guards get paid. It will just keep us from the second apron. What they will probably do is trade him in 2028 for ending contracts that will roll off in 2029 just as Harper’s extension kicks in, plus pick assets.

 

[LeBowen]

Fox leaving won’t create any room, once the young guards get paid. It will just keep us from the second apron. What they will probably do is trade him in 2028 for ending contracts that will roll off in 2029 just as Harper’s extension kicks in, plus pick assets.

Or we can pay the luxury tax for a season with Fox accepting a big discount on his next deal in 2029.
It all depends on if we win the championship between now and 2028. And if Fox's level of play is good enough to justify going into luxury tax.
But then Devin and some other role players would have to go.

 

[ambchang]

Is one of those players Chris Paul?

CP was so great he led the Spurs to 34-48 record and left the very next year, with the Spurs giving up zero assets to get him.

 

[ambchang]

That is easy to say now. I vividly remember folks saying he would be a horrible role model with a loser mentality that would negatively influence our young prospects.

I vividly remembered some users were saying we should draft Keith Van Horne over Tim Duncan as well. Which means that every single person who said we should've drafted Tim Duncan was, is, and will correct in every single basketball take because of it.

 

[DAF86]

CP was so great he led the Spurs to 34-48 record and left the very next year, with the Spurs giving up zero assets to get him.

That's not what we were arguing here, though. We were talking about locker room presence. Folks back then used to cry that CP3 would be a bad influence and he proved to be completely the opposite.

 

[DAF86]

I vividly remembered some users were saying we should draft Keith Van Horne over Tim Duncan as well. Which means that every single person who said we should've drafted Tim Duncan was, is, and will correct in every single basketball take because of it.

No, but in draft related topics you may wanna pay more attention to the folks that asked to draft Duncan over the ones that wanted to draft KVH.

 

[DAF86]

Or we can pay the luxury tax for a season with Fox accepting a big discount on his next deal in 2029.
It all depends on if we win the championship between now and 2028. And if Fox's level of play is good enough to justify going into luxury tax.
But then Devin and some other role players would have to go.

I don't think that would be the best course of action. I would rather trade Fox for future draft compensation to keep feeding the talent pool of the team for years to come.

 

[LeBowen]

I don't think that would be the best course of action. I would rather trade Fox for future draft compensation to keep feeding the talent pool of the team for years to come.

Fox isn't old, he'll be 32 in 2029.
It all depends on his level of play over the next few years and his willingness to eventually accept the 6th man role.
Harper needing to start is a bigger issue than the cap situation.

 

[ambchang]

That's not what we were arguing here, though. We were talking about locker room presence. Folks back then used to cry that CP3 would be a bad influence and he proved to be completely the opposite.

There were like 3 guys who argued that, stop making yourself as some 4D chess playing analyst on that topic. People didn't like CP3 purely because he was an asshole, not that he would be a bad influence. When was he a bad influence before the Spurs? Multiple people argued that he helped SGA in his stint with OKC, and people took his side in his feud with Harden, because Harden is Harden.

The general sense was that, for $10M, there is little to no risk. If he doesn't work out, just trade him for a bag of peanuts and call it a day. Most people said the team needed a veteran presence and CP3 is about as good as any to show the young guys the rope.

No, but in draft related topics you may wanna pay more attention to the folks that asked to draft Duncan over the ones that wanted to draft KVH.

So in trade related topics we should ask the guy who took the majority view on a free agent signing topic? Could you just get your story straight first?

 

[DAF86]

Fox isn't old, he'll be 32 in 2029.
It all depends on his level of play over the next few years and his willingness to eventually accept the 6th man role.
Harper needing to start is a bigger issue than the cap situation.

Perfect age to sell relatively high (if anything, I would probably trade him before to get even more compensation).

I know it's heartless take, but it is what would be best for the Spurs, imho.

 

[OK Computer]

Perfect age to sell relatively high (if anything, I would probably trade him before to get even more compensation).

I know it's heartless brainless take, but it is what would be best for the Spurs, imho.

Wrong organ. Fixed it for you.

 

[DAF86]

There were like 3 guys who argued that, stop making yourself as some 4D chess playing analyst on that topic. People didn't like CP3 purely because he was an asshole, not that he would be a bad influence. When was he a bad influence before the Spurs? Multiple people argued that he helped SGA in his stint with OKC, and people took his side in his feud with Harden, because Harden is Harden.

The general sense was that, for $10M, there is little to no risk. If he doesn't work out, just trade him for a bag of peanuts and call it a day. Most people said the team needed a veteran presence and CP3 is about as good as any to show the young guys the rope.



So in trade related topics we should ask the guy who took the majority view on a free agent signing topic? Could you just get your story straight first?

Apparently you weren't in the majority:

Paul has a history of wearing out welcomes and marginalizing his non buddy teammates throughout his career. He is well known as the union rep who negotiated a deal that benefitted himself and his superstar buddies while screwing over the rest of the players, who are players who voted for him to do a professional job representing them.

He had zero examples of mentoring any young point guards. I can’t think of one who improved their pnr game playing with Paul.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301945&page=6

 

[ambchang]

@DAF86 im bringing receipts.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303961&highlight=Chris+Paul

I read through the first four pages, that’s 100 posts. The vast majority of people on the first page were happy about the signing, specifically about helping castle, a good number of “I don’t mind”, a few “the guy is old and sucks now”, a couple of “I don’t want to cheer for bums, and exactly one comment about him being a cancer, which already had two guys clowning it.

So to sum it up, at least the first few pages, you’re full of shit.

 

[DAF86]

Wrong organ. Fixed it for you.

Yeah, i'm sure it is "brainless" wanting to trade a 32 year old max contract player to get draft picks, instead of sending him to the bench to fulfill a role that can be done at a fraction of the cost.

 

[spurraider21]

yeah... i dont recall anybody being upset over the CP3 signing. everybody liked it both for Castle and for Wemby. everybody touted how much he helped SGA

 

[LeBowen]

Perfect age to sell relatively high (if anything, I would probably trade him before to get even more compensation).

I know it's heartless take, but it is what would be best for the Spurs, imho.

The issue is that the sell high option isn't realistic.
Only two scenarios are realistic, imo.
Either Spurs win a championship or two before Harper's extension kicks in and we don't break up the winning core.
Or we fail and Fox doesn't deliver, meaning he won't have much value as a 30 year old guard that relies on athleticism.

Yeah, i'm sure it is "brainless" wanting to trade a 32 year old max contract player to get draft picks, instead of sending him to the bench to fulfill a role that can be done at a fraction of the cost.

The brainless part is thinking that we'd get picks for a 32 year old on an expiring max contract.
If we want pick for Fox, it has to be either this (won't happen) or the next summer (will happen only if he plays terribly, but then we won't get picks because he underperformed).

 

[DAF86]

@DAF86 im bringing receipts.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303961&highlight=Chris+Paul

I read through the first four pages, that’s 100 posts. The vast majority of people on the first page were happy about the signing, specifically about helping castle, a good number of “I don’t mind”, a few “the guy is old and sucks now”, a couple of “I don’t want to cheer for bums, and exactly one comment about him being a cancer, which already had two guys clowning it.

So to sum it up, at least the first few pages, you’re full of shit.

Yeah, once the Spurs already made the move. Sheep mentality. It is like saying folks are fine with Wemby being a full time center now, when I had to fight half the forum when I made that take originally.

I'm sure if the Spurs make a move for Durant in the offseason, half the people would change their tune about him.

I brought earlier receipts above.

 

[Exstatic]

That's not what we were arguing here, though. We were talking about locker room presence. Folks back then used to cry that CP3 would be a bad influence and he proved to be completely the opposite.

CP is a dick if you’re a slacker teammate or an opponent.

 

[DAF86]

The issue is that the sell high option isn't realistic.
Only two scenarios are realistic, imo.
Either Spurs win a championship or two before Harper's extension kicks in and we don't break up the winning core.
Or we fail and Fox doesn't deliver, meaning he won't have much value as a 30 year old guard that relies on athleticism.


The brainless part is thinking that we'd get picks for a 32 year old on an expiring max contract.
If we want pick for Fox, it has to be either this (won't happen) or the next summer (will happen only if he plays terribly, but then we won't get picks because he underperformed).

I would trade him within the next two seasons for sure, tbh.

 

[DAF86]

@DAF86 im bringing receipts.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303961&highlight=Chris+Paul

I read through the first four pages, that’s 100 posts. The vast majority of people on the first page were happy about the signing, specifically about helping castle, a good number of “I don’t mind”, a few “the guy is old and sucks now”, a couple of “I don’t want to cheer for bums, and exactly one comment about him being a cancer, which already had two guys clowning it.

So to sum it up, at least the first few pages, you’re full of shit.

Multiple people argued that he helped SGA in his stint with OKC

He had zero examples of mentoring any young point guards.

Talking about being full of shit.

 

[scott]

Fox leaving won’t create any room, once the young guards get paid. It will just keep us from the second apron. What they will probably do is trade him in 2028 for ending contracts that will roll off in 2029 just as Harper’s extension kicks in, plus pick assets.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Aprons in the next CBA, which will likely kick in during the 2029-30 season. I would imagine the Players don't like the current set up, since it ultimately ended up just squeezing a lot of mid-tier guys down to lower salaries (and those mid-tier guys outnumber the max guys who are getting paid).