Player The Layne Staley Depression-Laden Foxhole of De'Aaron Martez Fox

[DAF86]

You've almost figured it out man... so close.

I get the point you are trying to make just fine. It's a horrible point executed in an unwitty way, but I see what you are trying to do, tbh.

 

[scott]

I get the point you are trying to make just fine. It's a horrible point executed in an unwitty way, but I see what you are trying to do, tbh.

I bet if Pop just talks to the point, it will become a good one.

 

[DAF86]

I bet if Pop just talks to the point, it will become a good one.

No, that point has no redeeming quality, tbh.

 

[scott]

No, that point has no redeeming quality, tbh.

Only because Wemby hasn't kept it in check yet

 

[spurraider21]

What's even the point of making a comment like this?

the point is suggesting old dogs like Harden and Durant will change just because somebody talks to them is just as unlikely as creating a time machine and bringing in jordan

it aint happening

 

[scott]

the point is suggesting old dogs like Harden and Durant will change just because somebody talks to them is just as unlikely as creating a time machine and bringing in jordan

it aint happening

Uh... Wemby gets social media shout outs from NASA... you are shortchanging his ability to disrupt what we know about the space-time continuum

 

[frenchfred]

It won't actually be able to be used on anyone else though (other than who you trade him for). Fox isn't preventing us from signing anyone next year or the year after that.

Whether Fox makes the max next year, or if he were making $30MM/year, the Spurs would still be over the cap and under the first apron and they'll have the same NTPMLE and BAE at their disposal to add to the roster.

I'm not an expert on that but next season the Spurs have 151 millions of guaranteed salaries, cap is supposed to be at 165 millions. They'll be 14 millions under the cap so they could hire player with any salary, right? But as soon as they go over, they are limited to NTPMLE, BAE, rookie, veteran min and bird right (Barnes would qualify I guess). If they were 29 millions under the cap (the 14 + Fox difference), they could in theory bring a good player in the 20-25 range and bring another contract that would put them over the cap, right or am I missing something?

 

[k....]

step one...next year you tell fox, were moving you the bench every 1/3 game , 3 guard rotation, whatever. Then move him permanently . then ask him, do you want to play the bench or can we trade you for a team that will make you 1a so you can get a great final contract offer. depends on fox what he wants. he might well stay in which case you hint at your contract offer and see if takes lower money consistent with a declining mentor role



Also sniffer durant take....if the spurs trade for him it means they have good info he won't be a diva and will integrate well. and if we don't trade it's also because of the great Front Office work. win win\.

 

[DAF86]

the point is suggesting old dogs like Harden and Durant will change just because somebody talks to them is just as unlikely as creating a time machine and bringing in jordan

it aint happening

The thing is, I don't think Durant needs much changing. Just stay away from burner accounts, tbh.

 

[scott]

I'm not an expert on that but next season the Spurs have 151 millions of guaranteed salaries, cap is supposed to be at 165 millions. They'll be 14 millions under the cap so they could hire player with any salary, right? But as soon as they go over, they are limited to NTPMLE, BAE, rookie, veteran min and bird right (Barnes would qualify I guess). If they were 29 millions under the cap (the 14 + Fox difference), they could in theory bring a good player in the 20-25 range and bring another contract that would put the over the cap, right or am I missing something?

There are the cap holds and incomplete roster charges to account for as well.

But if the Spurs were 14 million under the cap, no they could not sign any player... they could only sign a player for up to their cap space. Being $14MM under the cap can be worse than being over the cap, because they you don't get the NTPMLE, which is more than $14MM or the BAE (but they do get the Room Exception, which is worth about half the NTPMLE).

The way teams get players for more than their cap space (or no cap space) is with a sign and trade where the first team uses bird rights to resign their own FA and then trades it to the team where the players wants to sign.

 

[spurraider21]

The thing is, I don't think Durant needs much changing. Just stay away from burner accounts, tbh.

the burners aren't who he is, they expose the person he is

 

[frenchfred]

There are the cap holds and incomplete roster charges to account for as well.

But if the Spurs were 14 million under the cap, no they could not sign any player... they could only sign a player for up to their cap space. Being $14MM under the cap can be worse than being over the cap, because they you don't get the NTPMLE, which is more than $14MM (but they do get the Room Exception, which is worth about half the NTPMLE).

The way teams get players for more than their cap space (or no cap space) is with a sign and trade where the first team uses bird rights to resign their own FA and then trades it to the team where the players wants to sign.

alright, so give him his money ...or trade him

 

[spursistan]

the burners aren't who he is, they expose the person he is

This. That's the essence of having a burner: You are too embarrassed by your real persona. Why should I bother if you are two-faced like that? That toxic baggage was worth it with prime KD but not with this twilight version.

 

[scott]

alright, so give him his money ...or trade him

I think there are valid concerns about his money in a few years... but either by design or by luck, it's timed pretty well with a couple of critical things to give the Spurs some potential outs. 1) the expansion draft and 2) the new CBA. By the time Fox's money matters, we may have a different rulebook to play by rendering it moot. And ultimately, we should only really care about whether a player's salary restricts them from doing what they need to do to make the team better. None of us are asked to pitch in to make payroll... so what do we care what a guy makes? It only matters in relevance to how it impacts team construction... and at least for the next two years, it pretty much doesn't.

 

[DAF86]

the burners aren't who he is, they expose the person he is

I know, but he seems to do a well enough job to hide it in real life, and let's be honest, that's just common human behaviour. Who hasn't heard someone criticising a co-worker behind their backs just to go the next day and greet that co-worker like nothing happened? Does that make most people two-faced sociopaths? No, that just makes them regular human beings.

The problem with Durant is sharing those thoughts through a media that can be exposed.

 

[scott]

This. That's the essence of having a burner: You are too embarrassed by your real persona. Why should I bother if you are two-faced like that? That toxic baggage was worth it with prime KD but not with this twilight version.

No. Children do naughty things only because they haven't been told not to yet. Once you tell them, they all immediately fall in line. Every parent knows this!

 

[frenchfred]

I know, but he seems to do a well enough job to hide it in real life, and let's be honest, that's just common human behaviour. Who hasn't heard someone criticising a co-worker behind their backs just to go the next day and greet that co-worker like nothing happened? Does that make most people two-faced sociopaths? No, that just makes them regular human beings.

The problem with Durant is sharing those thoughts through a media that can be exposed.

For me, what you are saying is not normal behavior, you can complain once in a while about colleagues but if it is a pattern in all the companies you work for you might be the problem.

I'm one of those who suggested a KD trade but I'm fully aware that he comes with baggage. For me KD is suffering from insecurities and his way of managing them is blaming others and leaving. He was able to play a couple of years with Curry and Kerr so I feel that he could be manage by Wemby and the Spurs staff especially if Pop were to be involved somehow.

The best we can hope for is Fox playing up to his contract and take over when the team needs him too like game 4

 

[DAF86]

For me, what you are saying is not normal behavior, you can complain once in a while about colleagues but if it is a pattern in all the companies you work for you might be the problem.

I'm one of those who suggested a KD trade but I'm fully aware that he comes with baggage. For me KD is suffering from insecurities and his way of managing them is blaming others and leaving. He was able to play a couple of years with Curry and Kerr so I feel that he could be manage by Wemby and the Spurs staff especially if Pop were to be involved somehow.

The best we can hope for is Fox playing up to his contract and take over when the team needs him too like game 4

Even the greatest of co-workers and people I've known have said things about fellow co-workers at their backs that they wouldn't say to their faces. Some just minor things in jest, others not so much. People talk about other people, that's just human nature.

 

[Seventyniner]

I think there are valid concerns about his money in a few years... but either by design or by luck, it's timed pretty well with a couple of critical things to give the Spurs some potential outs. 1) the expansion draft and 2) the new CBA. By the time Fox's money matters, we may have a different rulebook to play by rendering it moot. And ultimately, we should only really care about whether a player's salary restricts them from doing what they need to do to make the team better. None of us are asked to pitch in to make payroll... so what do we care what a guy makes? It only matters in relevance to how it impacts team construction... and at least for the next two years, it pretty much doesn't.

This plus the facts that the team is great and Fox is doing and saying all the right things means there shouldn't be any rush to trade him.

Some sketches of a new CBA deal will likely be floated near the end of the 2027-2028 season (a year before the opt out) to try and have a seamless transition to the new agreement. At that point the Spurs can make a much more informed decision on what to do with Fox and his contract. Best case is that they aren't forced to move him at all to avoid whatever penalties the new agreement puts in place.

 

[spursistan]

No. Children do naughty things only because they haven't been told not to yet. Once you tell them, they all immediately fall in line. Every parent knows this!

It just an unnecessary risk, scott. By all accounts he wanted to come here but the interest wasn't mutual, which is a good reflection on our front office (I have posited that RC and co. have the exact intel from trusted sources like Coach Bud, Brent Barry on how it went down in Phoenix). I also don't think he's capable of taking a back seat to the youngsters like Fox did (maybe to Wemby but not to Castle/Harper). KD would be mean-mugging Castle after one of his wild turnovers and the bad vibes will creep from there.

 

[O_V]

To get back on topic, Fox has been really good. He has a bad game. He makes it up the next time. He plays hard defense. He goes after rebounds. He's all about trying to help the team win. He's not too busy trying to get his touches. He counts on himself when he's hot. He passes well. He talks up his teammates and shares credit.

That blocked three pointer he got other day was emblematic of his post-season effort. I think ultimately there won't end up being enough room for all the guards on this team, but there's plenty room right now, and if he continues to figure out ways to carve his niche into the team, he can play the rest of his career here.

 

[scott]

It just an unnecessary risk, scott. By all accounts he wanted to come here but the interest wasn't mutual, which is a good reflection on our front office (I have posited that RC and co. have the exact intel from trusted sources like Coach Bud, Brent Barry on how it went down in Phoenix). I also don't think he's capable of taking a back seat to the youngsters like Fox did (maybe to Wemby but not to Castle/Harper). KD would be mean-mugging Castle after one of his wild turnovers and the bad vibes will creep from there.

oh yeah, I was being sarcastic

 

[frenchfred]

To get back on topic, Fox has been really good. He has a bad game. He makes it up the next time. He plays hard defense. He goes after rebounds. He's all about trying to help the team win. He's not too busy trying to get his touches. He counts on himself when he's hot. He passes well. He talks up his teammates and shares credit.

That blocked three pointer he got other day was emblematic of his post-season effort. I think ultimately there won't end up being enough room for all the guards on this team, but there's plenty room right now, and if he continues to figure out ways to carve his niche into the team, he can play the rest of his career here.

I wish him to be successful, I guess that my expectations are higher than some here due to his next contract. Hopefully, he can play great in the playoffs and who knows they might win it all, and then work during the summer on his FT and 3-point shooting, they both need to be more reliable for a guard

 

[ambchang]

Dude, all I know is I made a thread about acquiring CP3, I remember most folks were against it and one of the main reasons against it was that he would be a bad influence. If you expected me to remember exactly what % of posters said that, you are expecting way too much. I have a good memory, but not to that extent, tbh.

I didn’t expect you to do that, but I do expect that after you claimed victory over and over again on how you were the oracle and foresaw CP3 would fit in the spurs locker room, with everyone and their cousins against it, got multiple people reminding you that it’s not what they remembered, plus it has nothing to do with the current situation of Durant, you would at least jog your memory a little.

But if that failed, you were able to read through the post you pulled up and linked to to somehow claim victory, (despite you either not actually reading through it or expect no one else to do so, then pull a random quote out and mangled it up to make it appear that you were right all along) and at least admit most people weren’t saying CP3 won’t fit in the locker.

But if that still failed, you won’t continue to change the subject after people called out when someone actually read through the thread and tallied the results for you, while claiming 60 percent of the people were against you to confuse others that it was what you were talking about.

Then after getting called out for moving goal posts, to admit that you, you were wrong all along and it is me who is unreasonable for expecting you to either remember or actually read through a thread you started and carry around like a trophy.

I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.

 

[ambchang]

Wemby would definitely help keep KD in check, but mostly it would be the winning. Everybody is happy when they win.

Ironically Durant wasn’t when he was with GS even after winning two FMVPs with two titles, and coming close to a third only losing due to injuries.

But too bad curry didn’t talk to Durant.