Player The Layne Staley Depression-Laden Foxhole of De'Aaron Martez Fox

[spurraider21]

det receipt on Amb is good, but tbh it seemed like most people on ST were in favor of bringing CP3 aboard

 

[DAF86]

det receipt on Amb is good, but tbh it seemed like most people on ST were in favor of bringing CP3 aboard

I would say 60/40 against, tbh. Many said they were OK with bringing a veteran PG, but not CP3.

 

[scott]

Everyone bringing receipts is jogging my memory... is @DAF86 the same guy who started a thread wanting us to trade for James Harden?

 

[ambchang]

Yeah, once the Spurs already made the move. Sheep mentality. It is like saying folks are fine with Wemby being a full time center now, when I had to fight half the forum when I made that take originally.

I'm sure if the Spurs make a move for Durant in the offseason, half the people would change their tune about him.

I brought earlier receipts above.

So using the thread you brought up, I did a tally.

In total. There were 157 posts in that thread 121 of them were not by you. There were a total of 64 unique posters including you.

6 of those 64 voted him as a locker room cancer, with Mr Body also wanting him with some conditions. So I’d say 5 a hard no and 1 a depends.

At the same time 13 people through 17 posts, including Mr body is pro the move with Mr body noting that he is pro the move twice but had concerns about his locker room presence.

51 posts were off topic, talking about wanting other players, the cap, jokes, etc.

31 unique users through 47 posts were against the idea for various reasons:

• 4 due to his ability
• 3 asset required to get him
• 7, including yours truly, because we dislike him
• 1 because of no need
• 4, including you, said he is not coming (that’s after he hit free agency)
• 6 didn’t specify
• 7 because of playstyle
• 7 because of timeline.

Turned out to be correct, he was washed, we didn’t give up assets, I still dislike him, there wasn’t a need, his playstyle didn’t fit and the timeline didn’t fit.

Talking about being full of shit.

lol resorting to cutting posts, that’s pretty low. Don’t tell me you can search but don’t know how to link. Here you go: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301945&p=10906263&viewfull=1#post10906263

First, The entire post was:

Paul has a history of wearing out welcomes and marginalizing his non buddy teammates throughout his career. He is well known as the union rep who negotiated a deal that benefitted himself and his superstar buddies while screwing over the rest of the players, who are players who voted for him to do a professional job representing them.

He had zero examples of mentoring any young point guards. I can’t think of one who improved their pnr game playing with Paul.

So it’s abundantly clear it’s because I didn’t like him, in fact, your post said it’s stupid not to bring him in just for not liking him, so it’s not like you didn’t know then. Second, it was specific to the PnR, which he didn’t. You see shai or castle as some PnR maestro now?

Btw, just because of us the spurstalk traffic increased infinitely.

 

[ambchang]

I would say 60/40 against, tbh. Many said they were OK with bringing a veteran PG, but not CP3.

Unfortunately I actually counted the posts and categorized it. Your premise is about locker room cancer, let’s not all of a sudden change it to whether the argument is about wanting CP3 or not, because the ones who didn’t want CP3 for other reasons were largely right.

 

[ambchang]

Everyone bringing receipts is jogging my memory... is @DAF86 the same guy who started a thread wanting us to trade for James Harden?

Come to think of it didn’t @DAF86 argue Manu is the best passer in nba history because he did all these fancy passes, unlike magic and Stockton who did these fake ass no looks and basic bounce passes?

 

[DAF86]

Everyone bringing receipts is jogging my memory... is @DAF86 the same guy who started a thread wanting us to trade for James Harden?

Mmh, don't recall but maybe. Those DeRozan/Aldridge years were dark. I proposed millions of trades to get past that era.

 

[DAF86]

So using the thread you brought up, I did a tally.

In total. There were 157 posts in that thread 121 of them were not by you. There were a total of 64 unique posters including you.

6 of those 64 voted him as a locker room cancer, with Mr Body also wanting him with some conditions. So I’d say 5 a hard no and 1 a depends.

At the same time 13 people through 17 posts, including Mr body is pro the move with Mr body noting that he is pro the move twice but had concerns about his locker room presence.

51 posts were off topic, talking about wanting other players, the cap, jokes, etc.

31 unique users through 47 posts were against the idea for various reasons:

• 4 due to his ability
• 3 asset required to get him
• 7, including yours truly, because we dislike him
• 1 because of no need
• 4, including you, said he is not coming (that’s after he hit free agency)
• 6 didn’t specify
• 7 because of playstyle
• 7 because of timeline.

Turned out to be correct, he was washed, we didn’t give up assets, I still dislike him, there wasn’t a need, his playstyle didn’t fit and the timeline didn’t fit.



lol resorting to cutting posts, that’s pretty low. Don’t tell me you can search but don’t know how to link. Here you go: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301945&p=10906263&viewfull=1#post10906263

First, The entire post was:



So it’s abundantly clear it’s because I didn’t like him, in fact, your post said it’s stupid not to bring him in just for not liking him, so it’s not like you didn’t know then. Second, it was specific to the PnR, which he didn’t. You see shai or castle as some PnR maestro now?

Btw, just because of us the spurstalk traffic increased infinitely.

I posted the entire post above your "receipts" post.

 

[DAF86]

So using the thread you brought up, I did a tally.

In total. There were 157 posts in that thread 121 of them were not by you. There were a total of 64 unique posters including you.

6 of those 64 voted him as a locker room cancer, with Mr Body also wanting him with some conditions. So I’d say 5 a hard no and 1 a depends.

At the same time 13 people through 17 posts, including Mr body is pro the move with Mr body noting that he is pro the move twice but had concerns about his locker room presence.

51 posts were off topic, talking about wanting other players, the cap, jokes, etc.

31 unique users through 47 posts were against the idea for various reasons:

• 4 due to his ability
• 3 asset required to get him
• 7, including yours truly, because we dislike him
• 1 because of no need
• 4, including you, said he is not coming (that’s after he hit free agency)
• 6 didn’t specify
• 7 because of playstyle
• 7 because of timeline.

Turned out to be correct, he was washed, we didn’t give up assets, I still dislike him, there wasn’t a need, his playstyle didn’t fit and the timeline didn’t fit.



lol resorting to cutting posts, that’s pretty low. Don’t tell me you can search but don’t know how to link. Here you go: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301945&p=10906263&viewfull=1#post10906263

First, The entire post was:



So it’s abundantly clear it’s because I didn’t like him, in fact, your post said it’s stupid not to bring him in just for not liking him, so it’s not like you didn’t know then. Second, it was specific to the PnR, which he didn’t. You see shai or castle as some PnR maestro now?

Btw, just because of us the spurstalk traffic increased infinitely.

So, as I said: most people were against adding CP3 and in the end, the move was just fine and many folks changed their mind. Thanks for proving what I was saying. It seems like I wasn't full of shit afterall.

 

[scott]

Mmh, don't recall but maybe. Those DeRozan/Aldridge years were dark. I proposed millions of threads to get past that era.

IDK man... you seemed to have a lot of conviction, kind of like you do now. I respect it.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288638

 

[LeBowen]

IDK man... you seemed to have a lot of conviction, kind of like you do now. I respect it.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288638

TIL Spurstalk added Cloudflare and is loading fine.
A year too late.

 

[scott]

TIL Spurstalk added Cloudflare and is loading fine.
A year too late.

It's crazy how outdated and clunky that software feels after 9 months here.

 

[DAF86]

Come to think of it didn’t @DAF86 argue Manu is the best passer in nba history because he did all these fancy passes, unlike magic and Stockton who did these fake ass no looks and basic bounce passes?

Yeah, but it's no surprise anymore that I'm the one going with the nounced opinion fighting against the mainstream sheep mentality take, tbh.

 

[ambchang]

I posted the entire post above your "receipts" post.

So no comment about how cp3 mentored shai and castle into these PnR masters. Great.

So, as I said: most people were against adding CP3 and in the end, the move was just fine and many folks changed their mind. Thanks for proving what I was saying. It seems like I wasn't full of shit afterall.

This is getting out of hand, you were specifically talking about locker room cancer issues because that is the flashing red light for Durant and single reason his value is so low now, you brought up the CP3 signing specifically because your unique ability to see into a players heart and know they won’t cause any locker room issues.

But it wasn’t unique, and you were called out on it, more people (more that double in fact( were for the idea than worried about his locker room antics. most people who were against it thought he was old, washed up, doesnt fit the timeline and/or the spurs can have better choices elsewhere, which turned out to be totally true. In fact, at the end of his year with the spurs most people were calling to bench him and give the minutes to Harper. It has nothing to do with wha your assertion was.

This is just shameless goalpost moving, which coming from you shouldn’t be a surprise. When called out on bad takes you just change the topic and strawman the hell out of it.

 

[DAF86]

Unfortunately I actually counted the posts and categorized it. Your premise is about locker room cancer, let’s not all of a sudden change it to whether the argument is about wanting CP3 or not, because the ones who didn’t want CP3 for other reasons were largely right.

Dude, all I know is I made a thread about acquiring CP3, I remember most folks were against it and one of the main reasons against it was that he would be a bad influence. If you expected me to remember exactly what % of posters said that, you are expecting way too much. I have a good memory, but not to that extent, tbh.

 

[spurraider21]

It's crazy how outdated and clunky that software feels after 9 months here.

crazy that there are still timGPT articles giving game grades

does anybody relieve believe its LJ?

 

[frenchfred]

Fox leaving won’t create any room, once the young guards get paid. It will just keep us from the second apron. What they will probably do is trade him in 2028 for ending contracts that will roll off in 2029 just as Harper’s extension kicks in, plus pick assets.

agreed I was talking about next year and the year after, that's 15 millions that could be used on somebody else

 

[scott]

People are ignoring the fact that KD would work because Wemby would talk to him and KD would then be a model teammate.

Same vibe as when DAF said this.

If Pop talks to Harden, I'm sure he would make him buy in.

The key to these trade proposals is to base them on some unprovable, but seeming unlikely premise.

I'm sure if Wemby just talks to Michael Jordan, he'll Benjamin Button back to the 1993 version of himself. Who's MJ's agent? We have a FA signing to make.

 

[DAF86]

People are ignoring the fact that KD would work because Wemby would talk to him and KD would then be a model teammate.

Same vibe as when DAF said this.



The key to these trade proposals is to base them on some unprovable, but seeming unlikely premise.

I'm sure if Wemby just talks to Michael Jordan, he'll Benjamin Button back to the 1993 version of himself. Who's MJ's agent? We have a FA signing to make.

Wemby would definitely help keep KD in check, but mostly it would be the winning. Everybody is happy when they win.

 

[scott]

agreed I was talking about next year and the year after, that's 15 millions that could be used on somebody else

It won't actually be able to be used on anyone else though (other than who you trade him for). Fox isn't preventing us from signing anyone next year or the year after that.

Whether Fox makes the max next year, or if he were making $30MM/year, the Spurs would still be over the cap and under the first apron and they'll have the same NTPMLE and BAE at their disposal to add to the roster.

 

[Seventyniner]

The only way the Spurs even try to trade for KD is if Wemby specifically requests it imo. And that would be a kick in the ass to whoever the Spurs send out, even if it's just Vassell + filler + a pick rather than Fox.

 

[scott]

Wemby would definitely help keep KD in check, but mostly it would be the winning. Everybody is happy when they win.

But why not just have Wemby invent a time machine for Michael Jordan instead? It would cost fewer tradeable assets.

 

[DAF86]

The only way the Spurs even try to trade for KD is if Wemby specifically requests it imo. And that would be a kick in the ass to whoever the Spurs send out, even if it's just Vassell + filler + a pick rather than Fox.

I wouldn't do it for Vassell, tbh. He's an underrated cog in the machine.

The Durant/Fox swap isn't as much about Durant as it is about every other aspect of the move coming together:

-filling the PF spot.
-buying low and maybe acquiring draft compensation.
-The contracts aligning perfectly.
-and most important of all, opening a starting spot for Harper.

 

[DAF86]

But why not just have Wemby invent a time machine for Michael Jordan instead? It would cost fewer tradeable assets.

What's even the point of making a comment like this?

 

[scott]

What's even the point of making a comment like this?

You've almost figured it out man... so close.