Player Harper vs Edgecomb vs Bailey vs WNBA

[Arguendo]

AGAIN, Fox forced his way to the Spurs. Almost every post I read is people looking to trade him in the next year or two. The Spurs won't even think about trading him 1-2 seasons in. If they were to entertain something like that, it'd likely be going into his last season of his contract. The only way they'd trade him before that is if he asks out. I could be wrong, but IMO they won't do that to him.

I'm excited to see Fox healthy and to see him play. He's going to be awesome IMO. I wasn't disappointed in him at all last season. I was more disappointed in Victor going out and I thought that brought everyone on the team down. The Spurs didn't have much to play for after that, and there was no reason for Fox to go all out anymore with his finger needing surgery.

Agree, pretty much 0 chance he's traded this yr or next.
With the only caveat being both Castle and Harper look like AS level players approaching trade deadline 26'-27' and Fox is playing well enough to be the centerpiece for a wing that better fits the team and Fox is ready to move on.
Basically Castle/Harper would have to be playing well enough where all 3 guys are obvious 32+ mpg, Fox is open to a trade knowing what that means for his future here, and the right guy/fit is available for trade.
So many chips need to fall into place its not worth fighting about. Much more likely, Fox is our PG for at least 2+yrs and Castle/Harper progress normally, and they're our 1-3 for a few seasons. Or they all play to hopes and we don't want to move any, or someone gets hurt, or someone doesn't develop as hoped, or Fox regresses.

 

[Arguendo]

Isn't Castle bigger than Vassell? Why can't Castle play the three?

He is, taller, longer (or the same), heavier and stronger. He can and he's much better suited to guarding Wings compared to Devin.

 

[Arguendo]

I wish we could have gotten away with giving Fox something less than the max. Even $200 million would have been great because he would have avoided the Max Contract stigma. Because, if we are keeping him, no big deal. But if we want to trade him because Harper made The Leap, he would be a bit easier to trade without the Max Contract, even if it wasn't too much less than the max.

Agree, but in hindsight (if not at the time) its pretty obvious that deal was agreed in principal at the time of the trade probably contingent on the surgery and subsequent evaluations of his hand.
He signed the extension after only 5 Vic games playing only 7 games here going for 19.7/6.8/4.3 on .446/.274/.819 notably dropping from his 45 Sac games @ 25/6.1/5 on .469/.322/.829, after the surgery, after Castle shined as the lead, after the lottery, and after we drafted Harper. Given all of that, it had to have been agreed to prior or the Spurs had no qualms what-so-ever giving him max

 

[Ice009]

Even 2 years is still very soon and not likely. I don't see the Spurs trading him in that time either. In my opinion, it'd be 3-4 years IF they consider it. I doubt he will ask out, and I doubt the Spurs would trade him unless the fit is terrible or he has some sort crazy steep decline, I don't see him going anywhere for at least 3-4 seasons. I'm sort of hoping the fit is great between the three, and that he wants to stay and takes less than the max to do so. If all three are playing great, you gotta prioritize the younger guys and the Spurs will have to tell Fox he'd have to take less than the max on his next deal if he wants to stay, and if he says no to less than the max, then I am sure both sides would be amicable to a trade. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, though.

I'd agree with all you guys about looking to trade him in a year or two if he didn't force his way here and if he didn't make a deal with the Spurs as part of the trade, it'd be a different story (anything would go). That's not the way it went, though, and he and his agent forced his way to SA and likely had a deal with the Spurs on an extension before the trade was finalized, so the Spurs will have to honour all that they agreed upon.

 

[Biggems]

That blonde chick from the NB commercials is pretty hot tho

Which commercial is that?

 

[Shmurs]

Even 2 years is still very soon and not likely. I don't see the Spurs trading him in that time either. In my opinion, it'd be 3-4 years IF they consider it. I doubt he will ask out, and I doubt the Spurs would trade him unless the fit is terrible or he has some sort crazy steep decline, I don't see him going anywhere for at least 3-4 seasons. I'm sort of hoping the fit is great between the three, and that he wants to stay and takes less than the max to do so. If all three are playing great, you gotta prioritize the younger guys and the Spurs will have to tell Fox he'd have to take less than the max on his next deal if he wants to stay, and if he says no to less than the max, then I am sure both sides would be amicable to a trade. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, though.

I'd agree with all you guys about looking to trade him in a year or two if he didn't force his way here and if he didn't make a deal with the Spurs as part of the trade, it'd be a different story (anything would go). That's not the way it went, though, and he and his agent forced his way to SA and likely had a deal with the Spurs on an extension before the trade was finalized, so the Spurs will have to honour all that they agreed upon.

We’ll get 4 years of a possible all star caliber guard basically for free. Big cost savings on our depth that will allow us to max 3 guys like OKC. Bryant is super important for this also. Castle helps, but it’s that 4th year that’s a huge boost. If we can secure some mid-level guys like oubre and hit a couple draft pics we might be able to keep all the guys we like watching. This means pay cut for Keldon, maybe (depending on cap %) and Devin has to go.

Harper really freaking helps in a lot of ways

 

[NotoriousHOP]

This is completely understood as a unsaid requirement for the trade to happen. Spurs really didn't have any leeway after the terms of the trade were set.

 

[NotoriousHOP]

Agree, but in hindsight (if not at the time) its pretty obvious that deal was agreed in principal at the time of the trade probably contingent on the surgery and subsequent evaluations of his hand.
He signed the extension after only 5 Vic games playing only 7 games here going for 19.7/6.8/4.3 on .446/.274/.819 notably dropping from his 45 Sac games @ 25/6.1/5 on .469/.322/.829, after the surgery, after Castle shined as the lead, after the lottery, and after we drafted Harper. Given all of that, it had to have been agreed to prior or the Spurs had no qualms what-so-ever giving him max

This is the message I was responding to.

 

[Neuromancer]

Edgecombe looking pretty damn good so far for Philly

 

[spurraider21]

a lot of the big name rookies are showing out in their debuts

Kon, VJ, Tre Johnson, Coward, Kalkbrenner all looking solid

 

[scott]

a lot of the big name rookies are showing out in their debuts

Kon, VJ, Tre Johnson, Coward, Kalkbrenner all looking solid

It still hurts…

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981176432874443060

 

[spursparker9]

Edgecombe with 34/7/3 on his debut

Also surprised that Ace Bailey is not a starter for Jazz...

 

[Ice009]

Edgecombe went off. Did anyone watch his game? What did he show in the game? How did he score most of his points? I'll have to take a look at it later.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Edgecombe went off. Did anyone watch his game? What did he show in the game? How did he score most of his points? I'll have to take a look at it later.

No big deal. Just hit 5 threes in the game. Drove to the basket for dunks and lay ups blowing past his man. Moved without the ball constantly and had a nice backdoor cut for a lay up. A couple of middies thrown in the mix too. Plus the game sealing free throws.

He looked like everything I thought he could become.

 

[Ice009]

Did you want to pick him at number 2? I remember at least one or two people at ST rated him very highly. Then a couple more rated Ace Bailey up there two.

I'm pretty blown away by Edgecomb's debut. Edit : I would have been way more interested if I hadn't read people say he's not a very good ball handler, as I hadn't watched him play, that comment put me off (Can he handle the ball a little bit? Sounds like he has a great work ethic to improve on whatever deficiencies he has).

I did see it mentioned that he's a great athlete and could end up being a very good defender.
Was he touted as a good three point shooter?

 

[John B]

I’d still take Harper. He’s already very composed as a backup PG at day 1 which is huge for Spurs 2nd unit not to miss the beat, along with Kornet protecting the post when Wemby sits. And makes the Spurs pretty solid.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Did you want to pick him at number 2? I remember at least one or two people at ST rated him very highly. Then a couple more rated Ace Bailey up there two.

I'm pretty blown away by Edgecomb's debut.

Yeah at first I like Ace but then I was out when I saw his measurements. Then I switched to VJ due to his athleticism and I saw a lot of Anthony Edward’s in his game.

College is much harder to score than the pros and his game is built for the pros. If he hits 3s at a consistent clip there’s really no stopping him bc he can blow by anyone

 

[Ice009]

Yeah at first I like Ace but then I was out when I saw his measurements. Then I switched to VJ due to his athleticism and I saw a lot of Anthony Edward’s in his game.

College is much harder to score than the pros and his game is built for the pros. If he hits 3s at a consistent clip there’s really no stopping him bc he can blow by anyone

I wish I looked into him more, as he seemed very intriguing.
Before the lottery, I didn't look at anyone in the top 4-5 (apart from Cooper) as I thought the Spurs would likely pick 8th. I was hoping they'd get into the top 4 and somehow win it (This was when the season was lost I was starting to think this way - before the season, I thought the Spurs could make the playoffs). I read VJ's ball handling was iffy, so I didn't really look at him much after the Spurs got the number 2 pick. Since Dylan was consensus number 2 pick, I just didn't think anyone else was close enough. I entertained trying to trade up for Ace Bailey if he fell as I thought he could also be very good and fit the Spurs, but after the draft and seeing VJ work with Castle's trainer Olin, it showed me this kid wants to improve his skills and looks like a very hard worker.

I don't even remember if Steph has scored more than 34 points more than once (not that I am trying to compare or care about point totals that much), and VJ does it in his first game. All I can say is - darn impressive debut. Interested to see how he plays the rest of the year. I wonder if the Spurs took at hard look at him?

 

[spursparker9]

Edgecombe went off. Did anyone watch his game? What did he show in the game? How did he score most of his points? I'll have to take a look at it later.

 

[John B]

I was busy admiring Wemby manhandled the Mavs. I get it. VJ could be the next Anthony Edward. But Dylan is who the Spurs need with Wemby in the future.

 

[mo7888]

Did you want to pick him at number 2? I remember at least one or two people at ST rated him very highly. Then a couple more rated Ace Bailey up there two.

I'm pretty blown away by Edgecomb's debut. Edit : I would have been way more interested if I hadn't read people say he's not a very good ball handler, as I hadn't watched him play, that comment put me off (Can he handle the ball a little bit? Sounds like he has a great work ethic to improve on whatever deficiencies he has).

I did see it mentioned that he's a great athlete and could end up being a very good defender.
Was he touted as a good three point shooter?

I had VJ number 3. I went back and forth with several iterations of my board having him 2nd or 3rd. I felt he had a higher ceiling than Harper but a lower floor. I'm happy with how it played out, but VJ does have a chance to be very special.

 

[spursparker9]

VJ vs CB 1 on 1

 

[KobesAchilles]

I was busy admiring Wemby manhandled the Mavs. I get it. VJ could be the next Anthony Edward. But Dylan is who the Spurs need with Wemby in the future.

Harper has to get a much better jumper for that. He is a very good pick n roll playmaker. I like what I saw out of him.

But Ant with Wemby would automatically be a championship contender. So if VJ became that type of player I just think the Spurs would dominate for like 10 straight seasons.

I am impressed with how good VJs shots looked. His form got much better. He doesn’t hesitate. He’s a beast in the open court and moves without the ball. Like how perfect would that be on our team right now.

Now unlike Harper, he isn’t going to be running the offense but it’s tough bc Harper without a jumper is like Jalen Suggs. While if VJ really did learn how to shoot (season is very young and it’s just been one game) then he’s like an early Antman.

To me, Harper (if everything breaks right) is like a Cade Cunningham. Very good player in his own rights.

 

[bozhemoi]

Before the lottery and we were at #8 (I think), I badly hoped the Spurs could trade up to target either Edgecombe or Tre Johnson with VJ the slight lead due to defensive prowess and tools. If he got his shot going he'd be really hard to stop.