Player Harper vs Edgecomb vs Bailey vs WNBA

[spurraider21]

Bro, have u heard of projection? lol I think you’re the one upset.

Wrong. The WNBA exists because the NBA subsidizes it. Not because of the WNBA owners. The owners know they are in a losing business and would be insolvent without the NBA. If you can’t pay your players than don’t have a league.

If you want to talk about the WNBA, start a WNBA thread. Let this be the end of it. Thank you.

In case my last post wasn't clear enough... if you want to talk about the WNBA, start a WNBA topic. Let's stop clogging up this one with off-topic debates.

Thanks.

bruh

 

[koriwhat]

Bro, have u heard of projection? lol I think you’re the one upset.

Lol the same ol' story, different board. Fuck off retard.

 

[thiste]

i think Paige buekers is better than Kaitlynn clark but i don't post a thread about it.

Dominique Malonga will have a better career than Paige tho.

 

[Shmurs]

If people watch Starting Five and still think there isn’t some contrived, clumsy push to cram women into men’s sports I don’t know what to tell you. Interviewing Malika and Taylor Rooks about the actual basketball being played…what is that supposed to be? Like are they X’s and O’s experts? They grind tape? What is there specific expertise here?

Small thing, like usual. But it’s just dumbing down and watering down things that should be good products but they’re being made bad on purpose.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Why do people care about the dildo league?

 

[OK Computer]

Maybe this thread should just be locked, tbh. People can’t help themselves to stay on topic.

 

[NotoriousHOP]

Back on topic. Edgecombe looks good but I'm still firmly in Harper's camp. Harper gets jumbo point guard comps like Cunningham and Harden and I can see outlines of the reasons why. I think a fully realized Harper would be better than a fully realized Edgecombe

 

[O_V]

I just need a larger sample size with Harper. He looks so much better than he did in summer league that it's hard not to want to make ridiculous predictions about him. Edgecombe started strong in SL.

 

[koriwhat]

I've been watching and rewatching harper's preseason games and man, I'm stoked on the kid. He has flashes of a vet already. At first, he was missing his passes but corrected such errors in the following game and added offense from the corner three and in the paint. I am loving his game thus far and "Houston, we've got a problem!" if Harper keeps this kind of play up between now and when Fox comes back. What do you do, play younger Fox or older Fox you just gave $200m+ to?

 

[Fireball]

If Fox is healthy there is no chance he loses minutes to Harper this season.

 

[koriwhat]

If Fox is healthy there is no chance he loses minutes to Harper this season.

I'm not putty all my eggs in a "rookie" basket considering rookies are just that and need yrs to progress to anything resembling a starter-caliber talent. With that said, Dylan has an advantage vs most rooks considering who mentored him and surrounded him by others who could mentor him too.

Fox could be the piece to snag another all-star caliber player who fits a position of need if all the stars align for Dylan. I'm not holding my breath though and truly want both on the team long-term.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I've been watching and rewatching harper's preseason games and man, I'm stoked on the kid. He has flashes of a vet already. At first, he was missing his passes but corrected such errors in the following game and added offense from the corner three and in the paint. I am loving his game thus far and "Houston, we've got a problem!" if Harper keeps this kind of play up between now and when Fox comes back. What do you do, play younger Fox or older Fox you just game $200m+ to?

I still think there's no reason to choose between the two. Harper has SG size and has a game so much like Manu/Harden and both of them excelled next to star point guards. It's not the kind of two PG on the floor problem that Fox/CP3 were last year due to CP3's size and CP3 being a textbook ballhawk point guard. I expect them to play well together.

 

[koriwhat]

I still think there's no reason to choose between the two. Harper has SG size and has a game so much like Manu/Harden and both of them excelled next to star point guards. It's not the kind of two PG on the floor problem that Fox/CP3 were last year due to CP3's size and CP3 being a textbook ballhawk point guard. I expect them to play well together.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you and want both on the team long-term. I was simply spit-balling, throwing ideas into the ether.

 

[spurraider21]

I'm not putty all my eggs in a "rookie" basket considering rookies are just that and need yrs to progress to anything resembling a starter-caliber talent. With that said, Dylan has an advantage vs most rooks considering who mentored him and surrounded him by others who could mentor him too.

Fox could be the piece to snag another all-star caliber player who fits a position of need if all the stars align for Dylan. I'm not holding my breath though and truly want both on the team long-term.

i think some is quick to jump ship with Fox out of excitement for Harper. and yes, im excited for Harper too. he is a #1 pick caliber prospect... we aren't really used to that other than wemby... and there are some who are kind of thinking of him as yet another prospect along the lines of vassell, castle, sochan... he really projects to be a different tier of player.

with that said, if this team has aspirations to make a push for the playoffs, leaning on a rookie lead guard is probably not the path to take, even if he is damn good. i also like having him off the bench to help ensure he has all the non-Fox PG minutes all to himself, so he doesnt have to play off-ball all the time. and i think given his size and ability he can play the 2 just fine, especially of the catch and shoot figures hold up. like, is he really much worse than Castle off-ball? castle can probably screen better and is a better lob player, but Harper can shoot a bit better than Castle (from what we've seen) and he's plenty adept at beating closeouts and doing drive-and-kick stuff from those spots. and his defense has looked solid so far

let him be the backup PG and play some 2 alongside Fox, and then just see how many minutes he earns

people are also feeling iffy about Fox because the results last year werent great post-trade. but it was a midseason trade, he had a notable injury on his shooting hand, was put in a position where he was starting alongside Chris Paul (not ideal for either), and barely played with Wemby. its a bummer that he has missed camp/preseason stuff but i think people will be pleasantly surprised with Fox this year. he's 27 and really just getting into what should be his prime, and like Tony, he has also developed a nice midrange game to help his game age once he loses some burst past 30

 

[koriwhat]

i think everyone is quick to jump ship with Fox out of excitement for Harper. and yes, im excited for Harper too. he is a #1 pick caliber prospect... we aren't really used to that other than wemby... and many are kind of thinking of him as yet another prospect along the lines of vassell, castle, sochan... he really projects to be a different tier of player.

with that said, if this team has aspirations to make a push for the playoffs, leaning on a rookie lead guard is probably not the path to take, even if he is damn good. i also like having him off the bench to help ensure he has all the non-Fox PG minutes all to himself, so he doesnt have to play off-ball all the time. and i think given his size and ability he can play the 2 just fine, especially of the catch and shoot figures hold up. like, is he really much worse than Castle off-ball? castle can probably screen better and is a better lob player, but Harper can shoot a bit better than Castle (from what we've seen) and he's plenty adept at beating closeouts and doing drive-and-kick stuff from those spots. and his defense has looked solid so far

let him be the backup PG and play some 2 alongside Fox, and then just see how many minutes he earns

people are also feeling iffy about Fox because the results last year werent great post-trade. but it was a midseason trade, he had a notable injury on his shooting hand, was put in a position where he was starting alongside Chris Paul (not ideal for either), and barely played with Wemby. its a bummer that he has missed camp/preseason stuff but i think people will be pleasantly surprised with Fox this year. he's 27 and really just getting into what should be his prime, and like Tony, he has also developed a nice midrange game to help his game age once he loses some burst past 30

I'm of the same opinion, bro.

 

[koriwhat]

I can't wait to see our all-star PG from the jump just to see the opponent's second squad have to match up with our 6'6" polished rookie coming in to tear their 2nd unit up.

 

[spurraider21]

yep. nonstop rim pressure from our guards for 48 minutes will be exhausting for other teams. gotta hit just enough 3's to keep defenses honest, and then its just time to feast

 

[NotoriousHOP]

I wish we could have gotten away with giving Fox something less than the max. Even $200 million would have been great because he would have avoided the Max Contract stigma. Because, if we are keeping him, no big deal. But if we want to trade him because Harper made The Leap, he would be a bit easier to trade without the Max Contract, even if it wasn't too much less than the max.

 

[Kick-Stand]

i think some is quick to jump ship with Fox out of excitement for Harper. and yes, im excited for Harper too. he is a #1 pick caliber prospect... we aren't really used to that other than wemby... and there are some who are kind of thinking of him as yet another prospect along the lines of vassell, castle, sochan... he really projects to be a different tier of player.

It's kind of funny because I remember at the draft we were all wishing there was a Fox in the draft, how much we wished Dillingham had Fox's size. Then there was a bunch of hype for trading for him a couple months before he requested the trade and then we all walked away disappointed thinking it wasn't going to happen. Now the Spurs get him and everyone's ready to move on after like 15 games WTF?

Really can't wait to see him this season, I think he's gonna have a huge year.

 

[spurraider21]

It's kind of funny because I remember at the draft we were all wishing there was a Fox in the draft, how much we wished Dillingham had Fox's size. Then there was a bunch of hype for trading for him a couple months before he requested the trade and then we all walked away disappointed thinking it wasn't going to happen. Now the Spurs get him and everyone's ready to move on after like 15 games WTF?

Really can't wait to see him this season, I think he's gonna have a huge year.

i dont think there would be too much talk about moving Fox if we landed literally any other pick in the draft other than #2. i dont think the spurs would have taken Fears anywhere, and there was no other player who would be potentially redundant with Fox

i know there were some people (i believe @Bruno was among those) who thought during the Fox trade talks that it would necessarily be a choice between Fox or Castle. i never took it that far, but adding Harper to the equation definitely makes it messier.

but at the same time, not putting everything on Harper's shoulders right away will only serve to benefit him. he wont have to press as much. the time to really make a roster decision would be probably after the 26-27 season, and if one or more of these guys improves their outside shooting, then they might not have to make such a decision.

 

[koriwhat]

not putting everything on Harper's shoulders right away will only serve to benefit him. he wont have to press as much. the time to really make a roster decision would be probably after the 26-27 season, and if one or more of these guys improves their outside shooting, then they might not have to make such a decision.

Exactly! No pressure to start and contribute out the gate is great for Dylan while observing a mentor like Fox. Dylan will have plenty of opportunities throughout the season for situations that will pressure him but not as our starting PG.

 

[Ice009]

AGAIN, Fox forced his way to the Spurs. Almost every post I read is people looking to trade him in the next year or two. The Spurs won't even think about trading him 1-2 seasons in. If they were to entertain something like that, it'd likely be going into his last season of his contract. The only way they'd trade him before that is if he asks out. I could be wrong, but IMO they won't do that to him.

I'm excited to see Fox healthy and to see him play. He's going to be awesome IMO. I wasn't disappointed in him at all last season. I was more disappointed in Victor going out and I thought that brought everyone on the team down. The Spurs didn't have much to play for after that, and there was no reason for Fox to go all out anymore with his finger needing surgery.

 

[DTW]

It's kind of funny because I remember at the draft we were all wishing there was a Fox in the draft, how much we wished Dillingham had Fox's size. Then there was a bunch of hype for trading for him a couple months before he requested the trade and then we all walked away disappointed thinking it wasn't going to happen. Now the Spurs get him and everyone's ready to move on after like 15 games WTF?

Really can't wait to see him this season, I think he's gonna have a huge year.

It is crazy how fast they went from hoping Primo could succeed Murray and White and become a lead guard to having Jones as the only one on the roster to hoping Paul had one last starter caliber season in him to Fox to him almost being old hat after 5 games because of Harper.

I can't speak for others obviously, but I think it's just because some want to see the final product in terms of the long term core they're going to be running with.

 

[O_V]

I still think there's no reason to choose between the two. Harper has SG size and has a game so much like Manu/Harden and both of them excelled next to star point guards. It's not the kind of two PG on the floor problem that Fox/CP3 were last year due to CP3's size and CP3 being a textbook ballhawk point guard. I expect them to play well together.

Isn't Castle bigger than Vassell? Why can't Castle play the three?

 

[KobesAchilles]

Isn't Castle bigger than Vassell? Why can't Castle play the three?

He will next year when we trade Vassell and start Harper