Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

+17 in 1 point loss..Seriously fuck minutes restriction and those pedantic clowns upstairs still mandating it a month into his return..

Wemby was nearly Zaza-ed and none of that minutes regimen bullshit would have mattered because luck is bigger factor in all of this..
When someone argues in favor of these so-called voodoo doctors and their edicts, they clearly lack a basic understanding of actuarial concepts that anyone who's bought car insurance should grasp. You can't gamify risk or control real-world catastrophe, AKA Shit happens, no matter what. Minutes restrictions? Please! You can’t guarantee playoff health just by skipping a set number of regular season games. These are the same kinds of people who tell others in discussions to “quit it.”
 
Aaron Gordon wasn't supposed to play 31 min.
David Adelman: "Giannis has been on a minutes restriction too. They obviously went away from that. So I followed suit. Doc is gonna be in the Hall of Fame someday, so I figured, if he can break the minute restriction rules, I can too.”
 
There also needs to be a distinction between being actually tired and just having a shortage of breath during a specific moment of the game. I feel like Wemby suffers more from the later than the former because of how much he tries to do in some spurts of the game. As a former semi-pro soccer player, I used to get out of breath many times during a game after a big effort but would always recover.

Hah, I always suspected that you are actually Messi!
 
+17 in 1 point loss..Seriously fuck minutes restriction and those pedantic clowns upstairs still mandating it a month into his return..

Wemby was nearly Zaza-ed and none of that minutes regimen bullshit would have mattered because luck is bigger factor in all of this..

Zaza kinda of stuff can always happen but less min less probable. As for min restrictions, I think we passed the point of just being for the minor injury stuff recovery this season. It is a possibility Spurs are going full below 30 mn kinda of treatment for Victor for years to come and will push that min for real special occasions like POs decisive game. Spurs are showing clearly that they are playing the long game here... they want Victor to be the franchise player for the next 15 years, they are committed to do everything to preserve him for that long run. If it is the case I get it but this may cost us short term a PO serie or 2 and hopefully not a ring, more importantly they will have to manage Victor ego on that side and don't risk to frustrate him.
 
Zaza kinda of stuff can always happen but less min less probable. As for min restrictions, I think we passed the point of just being for the minor injury stuff recovery this season. It is a possibility Spurs are going full below 30 mn kinda of treatment for Victor for years to come and will push that min for real special occasions like POs decisive game. Spurs are showing clearly that they are playing the long game here... they want Victor to be the franchise player for the next 15 years, they are committed to do everything to preserve him for that long run. If it is the case I get it but this may cost us short term a PO serie or 2 and hopefully not a ring, more importantly they will have to manage Victor ego on that side and don't risk to frustrate him.
Thats BS. You dont play your franchise player below 30mimutes per game in his younger and prime years. Lets not act as if victor is 35 years old.
 
Thats BS. You dont play your franchise player below 30mimutes per game in his younger and prime years. Lets not act as if victor is 35 years old.

It may be BS but I believe it is possible that Victor will be in restricted min and games for the long term. As it seems other franchises are starting to do the same with their star players, Giannis for instance is playing 29 mpg vs. 35 mpg in average previous years.

The league has implemented measures to "force" franchises play their stars (65 games rules), the answer to that is apparently coming with ok we will play the guys and reduce the rest games but they will play less minutes.
 
Was Wemby added to the injury report today so they can sit him on Tuesday (nationally televised) without a fine if they choose? I wonder if the Spurs punt on Tuesday so OKC can't have a legit get back game.
To sit a player on a nat tv game, he must have been on the previous games injury report. That being said, any attempt to balk his continued BTA on Chet would not go well, especially since he has only four more ‘misses’ allowed to get post season awards.
 
It's almost too obvious to say, but Wemby went up against the 4x DPOY yesterday, and looked like he was handily a level above Gobert - on both ends.

Pretty fucking crazy.
Gobert is like old school Camby, pretty much a one trick pony. He blocks shots,very effectively mind you, but that’s pretty much it.
 
Gobert went from dominating USA in the international competitions to unplayable during their Paris Olympics 2024 tournament run
 
It may be BS but I believe it is possible that Victor will be in restricted min and games for the long term. As it seems other franchises are starting to do the same with their star players, Giannis for instance is playing 29 mpg vs. 35 mpg in average previous years.

The league has implemented measures to "force" franchises play their stars (65 games rules), the answer to that is apparently coming with ok we will play the guys and reduce the rest games but they will play less minutes.
But giannis is 30+ now big difference.

Even with duncan they started reducing his minutes in 2009-2010 season when he was 34 years old.

Wembybis is only 22.
 
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I posted this in the last Lakers game thread, so not sure if many people have seen it. Thought I should repost it in this thread.

@Itzsoweezee found the article after we were talking about Victor kicking the balls that were in the basket a few games ago. The kick reminded me of a guy years ago that used to have an insane vertical and be able to leap up and kick the ball stuck between the rim and backboard. Quite a coincidence that Victor's longtime trainer (Guillaume Alquier), trained under Kadour and has had Victor using some of Kadour's training methods. Very interesting article to read. If anyone wants to try and read it, I used the control-A method to highlight the article and the ctrl-c to copy it and paste it elsewhere (such as here) to read it (edit : doesn't look like you need to use this method as itzsoweezee shared the article link).

Very cool. Did you see this article: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/69...a-spurs-high-kick/?source=user_shared_article ?

It seems Wemby and Ziani actually know each other.


No, I didn't know. I thought I read years ago that Ziani was Algerian, but I just read that he was born in France.

I didn't know they knew each other.

Wow, I just read the article. I might have to look into Ziani's 7 postures program. When I knew of him, there wasn't much info around on what he did to get his insane vertical.
I remember reading it's well over 50 inches.

I didn't realize Victor is using his training. What a crazy coincidence this has led to when I bought up his name the other day.
I've also head of that Ben Patrick guy a few years back about his knees Over Toes program. Didn't know he also studied with Ziani.

Cool article that @Itzsoweezee posted if anyone wants to read it :

It’s Kadour Ziani, known in France as the Dunk Father. Ziani, creator of the 7 Postures mobility program, achieved the unofficial highest recorded kick in the world on a 2007 episode of “The Best Damn Sports Show Period.”

I actually saw this video quite a while ago when he got the record. I didn't know it still stood.
It’s not just a coincidence that it belongs to a dunker. The kicks in the sky are merely a destination on a journey they share.

Ziani, the record holder, gained fame in France touring with Slam Nation in the late ’90s as one of the nation’s best acrobatic dunkers. Slam Nation was co-founded by Bouna Ndiaye and Jeremy Medjana, who would go on to create a basketball agency named Comsport. Eventually, they would represent French NBAers Ian Mahinmi, Nicolas Batum, Evan Fournier and Rudy Gobert. It all led them to Wembanyama, whose agent, Ndiaye, is now a courtside fixture at Spurs games.

Ben Patrick, whose Knees Over Toes program has gained popularity in the training world, also studied with Ziani. It turned out that Wembanyama’s longtime trainer, Guillaume Alquier, had been using that program with Wembanyama to develop leg strength and flexibility. Learning Ziani’s 7 Postures was a natural next step.

Alquier was with Wembanyama at French club Metropolitans 92, then stuck with the Spurs star through the draft and is now on the Spurs staff. He had been around the greater Wembanyama apparatus long enough that Ziani was not hard to find. Their paths were more parallel than they could have imagined. So Alquier reached out and offered Ziani a pupil the likes of which he had never seen.
 
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really cool @Ice009 thanks for sharing

Yeah, I thought it was super cool too. Credit to @Itzsoweezee for digging it up on that connection/comment I made about Ziani.

What I am super excited about is, I was very impressed with Ziani's athletic ability when I saw him years and years ago, but I didn't know he had these training methods/techniques, and they also seem to be geared towards performance AND longevity (this is what gets me excited). With Victor using these training methods, I'm more confident going forward. We'll have to see, but I don't think I am out of line to say there probably has been no one else (correct me if I am wrong) at this size/height in the NBA before or now that is using/doing anything like this, so this is new territory. A lot of us knew he was doing a lot of different things/flexibility things, but I didn't know it was to this level. I think Kareem did Yoga when he played, but this seems like it's on another level.

If you recall the games where he fell over/was knocked over a few times and looked in real pain (I do remember people in the game thread mentioning/trying to figure out what is going on. Is he hurt, is he not hurt is what posters were saying), this seems to be part of Ziani's training (the article explains it better than what I am trying to say). He very well may have been in a decent amount pain in that/those moments and seemed to recover quickly.


Same here. I’m considering ordering his book (my library doesn’t carry it, unfortunately).

Tell me if you do end up ordering it (no hurry of course). Where are the places to order books like this from? I don't know what the bigger online books stores are. I'm a bit older now, but if I were younger, I'd for sure be interested to start trying some of his training methods. I still might. I'd like to read the book first, though, and go from there.
 
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Yeah, I thought it was super cool too. Credit to @Itzsoweezee for digging it up on that connection/comment I made about Ziani.

What I am super excited about is, I was very impressed with Ziani's athletic ability when I saw him years and years ago, but I didn't know he had these training methods/techniques, and they also seem to be geared towards performance AND longevity (this is what gets me excited). With Victor using these training methods, I'm more confident going forward. We'll have to see, but I don't think I am out of line to say there probably has been no one else (correct me if I am wrong) at this size/height in the NBA before or now that is using/doing anything like this, so this is new territory. A lot of us knew he was doing a lot of different things/flexibility things, but I didn't know it was to this level. I think Kareem did Yoga when he played, but this seems like it's on another level.

If you recall the games where he fell over/was knocked over a few times and looked in real pain (I do remember people in the game thread mentioning/trying to figure out what is going on. Is he hurt, is he not hurt is what posters were saying), this seems to be part of Ziani's training (the article explains it better than what I am trying to say). He very well may have been in a decent amount pain in that/those moments and seemed to recover quickly.




Tell me if you do end up ordering it (no hurry of course). Where are the places to order books like this from? I don't know what the bigger online books stores are. I'm a bit older now, but if I were younger, I'd for sure be interested to start trying some of his training methods. I still might. I'd like to read the book first, though, and go from there.

IIRC in his first year, Victor twisted his ankle badly, everybody was freaking out but Victor got up and played like nothing happened... those exercices of flexibility will surely help him preserve his body during his career.
 
They're probably just factoring the chance - actually close to a probability at this point - that he'll fall short of the 65-game threshold.
The part that annoys is that they are factoring in Wemby’s minutes restriction as some sort of disqualifying condition on top of the 65 game requirement.
 
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