Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

It may be BS but I believe it is possible that Victor will be in restricted min and games for the long term. As it seems other franchises are starting to do the same with their star players, Giannis for instance is playing 29 mpg vs. 35 mpg in average previous years.

The league has implemented measures to "force" franchises play their stars (65 games rules), the answer to that is apparently coming with ok we will play the guys and reduce the rest games but they will play less minutes.
But giannis is 30+ now big difference.

Even with duncan they started reducing his minutes in 2009-2010 season when he was 34 years old.

Wembybis is only 22.
 
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I posted this in the last Lakers game thread, so not sure if many people have seen it. Thought I should repost it in this thread.

@Itzsoweezee found the article after we were talking about Victor kicking the balls that were in the basket a few games ago. The kick reminded me of a guy years ago that used to have an insane vertical and be able to leap up and kick the ball stuck between the rim and backboard. Quite a coincidence that Victor's longtime trainer (Guillaume Alquier), trained under Kadour and has had Victor using some of Kadour's training methods. Very interesting article to read. If anyone wants to try and read it, I used the control-A method to highlight the article and the ctrl-c to copy it and paste it elsewhere (such as here) to read it (edit : doesn't look like you need to use this method as itzsoweezee shared the article link).

Very cool. Did you see this article: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/69...a-spurs-high-kick/?source=user_shared_article ?

It seems Wemby and Ziani actually know each other.


No, I didn't know. I thought I read years ago that Ziani was Algerian, but I just read that he was born in France.

I didn't know they knew each other.

Wow, I just read the article. I might have to look into Ziani's 7 postures program. When I knew of him, there wasn't much info around on what he did to get his insane vertical.
I remember reading it's well over 50 inches.

I didn't realize Victor is using his training. What a crazy coincidence this has led to when I bought up his name the other day.
I've also head of that Ben Patrick guy a few years back about his knees Over Toes program. Didn't know he also studied with Ziani.

Cool article that @Itzsoweezee posted if anyone wants to read it :

It’s Kadour Ziani, known in France as the Dunk Father. Ziani, creator of the 7 Postures mobility program, achieved the unofficial highest recorded kick in the world on a 2007 episode of “The Best Damn Sports Show Period.”

I actually saw this video quite a while ago when he got the record. I didn't know it still stood.
It’s not just a coincidence that it belongs to a dunker. The kicks in the sky are merely a destination on a journey they share.

Ziani, the record holder, gained fame in France touring with Slam Nation in the late ’90s as one of the nation’s best acrobatic dunkers. Slam Nation was co-founded by Bouna Ndiaye and Jeremy Medjana, who would go on to create a basketball agency named Comsport. Eventually, they would represent French NBAers Ian Mahinmi, Nicolas Batum, Evan Fournier and Rudy Gobert. It all led them to Wembanyama, whose agent, Ndiaye, is now a courtside fixture at Spurs games.

Ben Patrick, whose Knees Over Toes program has gained popularity in the training world, also studied with Ziani. It turned out that Wembanyama’s longtime trainer, Guillaume Alquier, had been using that program with Wembanyama to develop leg strength and flexibility. Learning Ziani’s 7 Postures was a natural next step.

Alquier was with Wembanyama at French club Metropolitans 92, then stuck with the Spurs star through the draft and is now on the Spurs staff. He had been around the greater Wembanyama apparatus long enough that Ziani was not hard to find. Their paths were more parallel than they could have imagined. So Alquier reached out and offered Ziani a pupil the likes of which he had never seen.
 
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really cool @Ice009 thanks for sharing

Yeah, I thought it was super cool too. Credit to @Itzsoweezee for digging it up on that connection/comment I made about Ziani.

What I am super excited about is, I was very impressed with Ziani's athletic ability when I saw him years and years ago, but I didn't know he had these training methods/techniques, and they also seem to be geared towards performance AND longevity (this is what gets me excited). With Victor using these training methods, I'm more confident going forward. We'll have to see, but I don't think I am out of line to say there probably has been no one else (correct me if I am wrong) at this size/height in the NBA before or now that is using/doing anything like this, so this is new territory. A lot of us knew he was doing a lot of different things/flexibility things, but I didn't know it was to this level. I think Kareem did Yoga when he played, but this seems like it's on another level.

If you recall the games where he fell over/was knocked over a few times and looked in real pain (I do remember people in the game thread mentioning/trying to figure out what is going on. Is he hurt, is he not hurt is what posters were saying), this seems to be part of Ziani's training (the article explains it better than what I am trying to say). He very well may have been in a decent amount pain in that/those moments and seemed to recover quickly.


Same here. I’m considering ordering his book (my library doesn’t carry it, unfortunately).

Tell me if you do end up ordering it (no hurry of course). Where are the places to order books like this from? I don't know what the bigger online books stores are. I'm a bit older now, but if I were younger, I'd for sure be interested to start trying some of his training methods. I still might. I'd like to read the book first, though, and go from there.
 
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Yeah, I thought it was super cool too. Credit to @Itzsoweezee for digging it up on that connection/comment I made about Ziani.

What I am super excited about is, I was very impressed with Ziani's athletic ability when I saw him years and years ago, but I didn't know he had these training methods/techniques, and they also seem to be geared towards performance AND longevity (this is what gets me excited). With Victor using these training methods, I'm more confident going forward. We'll have to see, but I don't think I am out of line to say there probably has been no one else (correct me if I am wrong) at this size/height in the NBA before or now that is using/doing anything like this, so this is new territory. A lot of us knew he was doing a lot of different things/flexibility things, but I didn't know it was to this level. I think Kareem did Yoga when he played, but this seems like it's on another level.

If you recall the games where he fell over/was knocked over a few times and looked in real pain (I do remember people in the game thread mentioning/trying to figure out what is going on. Is he hurt, is he not hurt is what posters were saying), this seems to be part of Ziani's training (the article explains it better than what I am trying to say). He very well may have been in a decent amount pain in that/those moments and seemed to recover quickly.




Tell me if you do end up ordering it (no hurry of course). Where are the places to order books like this from? I don't know what the bigger online books stores are. I'm a bit older now, but if I were younger, I'd for sure be interested to start trying some of his training methods. I still might. I'd like to read the book first, though, and go from there.

IIRC in his first year, Victor twisted his ankle badly, everybody was freaking out but Victor got up and played like nothing happened... those exercices of flexibility will surely help him preserve his body during his career.
 
They're probably just factoring the chance - actually close to a probability at this point - that he'll fall short of the 65-game threshold.
The part that annoys is that they are factoring in Wemby’s minutes restriction as some sort of disqualifying condition on top of the 65 game requirement.
 
But giannis is 30+ now big difference.

Even with duncan they started reducing his minutes in 2009-2010 season when he was 34 years old.

Wembybis is only 22.

If you look closely, you'll see that Pop actually started load management as far back as the 2004-2005 season with Duncan & Ginobili. 33 minutes for an in-prime 28 year old superstar/top 5 all-timer was pretty low minutes, ESPECIALLY for 2004.

Many superstars in those days played 40 minutes. Same with Manu. In his prime averaging 29 minutes. That Manu could've averaged 30 today with BOTH the green-light AND 35+ minutes. It worked fine then, BUT, THIS team ISN'T the 2005 Spurs.
 
@Exstatic Not sure why the downvote. If you look at the numbers, the seeds of load management started pretty much in that season.

Looks like you got a problem with me. In a parallel "scary movie" universe, you would definitely think the good guy is the killer, while believing the actual killer is on your side, lol. You're one of those dumb asses.
 
But giannis is 30+ now big difference.

Even with duncan they started reducing his minutes in 2009-2010 season when he was 34 years old.

Wembybis is only 22.

Kobe was playing 40 mn at 63 y/o tbh... that's not the point. I am not arguing about if it is a good idea or not just seeing a trend. You don't want we rest our players on btb etc... we will then restrict their mn

Also I'm not sure taking Spurs Pop example is a good ideia, Pop invented mn restrictions and rest...
 
Zaza kinda of stuff can always happen but less min less probable. As for min restrictions, I think we passed the point of just being for the minor injury stuff recovery this season. It is a possibility Spurs are going full below 30 mn kinda of treatment for Victor for years to come and will push that min for real special occasions like POs decisive game. Spurs are showing clearly that they are playing the long game here... they want Victor to be the franchise player for the next 15 years, they are committed to do everything to preserve him for that long run. If it is the case I get it but this may cost us short term a PO serie or 2 and hopefully not a ring, more importantly they will have to manage Victor ego on that side and don't risk to frustrate him.
it makes sense but if the Spurs end up each year with a record that makes them lose homecourt advantage, Wemby might have to play way more minutes in the playoffs (38-40 min) to win so what we saved during the season might be lost during the playoffs. If the goal is really to put Wemby on minute restriction his entire career that means that we need another PF/C and not just a 3rd string.
 
He’s not good at flopping. He should do it less. Seems to take him out of the game quite a bit and is hurting his whistle since he’s seen as a cry wolf guy.
On the contrary, the refs didn't seem like they were going to call Kenrich Williams practically undressing him until after Wemby flopped to draw attention to it.

I agree with your premise overall here, but I do think Wemby is maybe having to resort to this because the refs are letting so much slide against him
 
On the contrary, the refs didn't seem like they were going to call Kenrich Williams practically undressing him until after Wemby flopped to draw attention to it.

I agree with your premise overall here, but I do think Wemby is maybe having to resort to this because the refs are letting so much slide against him
I think this goes back to…he’s not good at it :)

The Williams thing, he didn’t know how to highlight a guy literally undressing him. I didn’t notice anything until the replay. Then he does the WILD flop on some other contact and now has another on his resume.

He’s gotta figure out what the glitch is with his whistle and then work with the glitch. Maybe that means he should still flop in the meantime because otherwise he’s going to get butt f’d every game, I guess.
 
On the contrary, the refs didn't seem like they were going to call Kenrich Williams practically undressing him until after Wemby flopped to draw attention to it.

I agree with your premise overall here, but I do think Wemby is maybe having to resort to this because the refs are letting so much slide against him
100% agree with this take. In the modern NBA you have to embellish to get calls because the refs are utter shit.
 
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