Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

Itzsoweezee said:
Look at the shitty defense he was going up against. This does not translate to how NBA basketball is played in 2026. Defenses play completely different now.
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you are telling me that the guards and small forwards sent against Wemby are better defenders than PF and C against KD? All the shots at the beginning of the video are posted up, turn over his shooting shoulder, and hit the fadeaway. It looks easy because he is a tall player. Wemby is 6" taller than KG so it should be even easier for him. The problem is that he wants to face the basket and dribble and gets stripped half the time
 
Fk this minutes restriction. It will only damage his stats
 
brazil said:
I did not say KG was not a strong shot blocker, I said not great which is a slight difference. Not great in a sense he never led the league in that category and he is a career 1,4 bpg and had one season over 2, Victor is a totally different animal without even talking about the fact he discourages an uncalculable number of shots near the rim. At one point you take all all time big and you can find similiraties with Victor, KG is one them for sure but if you talk about emulating my choice would be Jokic, they don't have the same strength obviously but they have same gravity in the offense, passing, play making, spacing and dealing with double teams are things Jokic excels at... exactly what Victor and this Spurs team need. For the rest I maintain I don't see KG as a great fit with Victor or Spurs organization as a whole eventhough KG could help develop some mid range go to move
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I’m not getting your point at all. Garnett is not a good workout partner because he wasn’t a great shot blocker but Jokic is?

Besides Wembys game is literally Garnett 2.0. Everything Garnett did why can do better, only part is Garnett has a lot of experience. He is a sharp basketball mind, especially defensively. Wemby can learn so much from him just picking his brains and learning that thought process. I know everybody here hates Garnett for his crazy antics (happy Mother’s Day mfer, barking like a dog to Calderon, calling Charlie V a cancer patient) but I’m not asking for a brain transplant to wemby, just a few workouts to understand how to ready defences and react accordingly in the mid range/high post, how to read offences and slide to the right spots or guiding your man to a trap.

I’d love for wemby to play like Jokic but the games are just so different. Two schools of thought and I can see arguments to both sides. Work on your weaknesses or improve your strengths. I’m on the later camp and I believe you are in the former.
 
So does this count towards the 65 game req?
 

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Garnett is one of the league’s biggest psychos. Vic is not enough of a psycho for my liking. I think this is a good marriage.
 
The Garnet revisionist history, on a spurs forum of all places, is hilarious.

KG was soft. He had a soft game and soft mentality. That’s why he postured like a tough guy and picked on white euros like all nba fake tough guys do. He had no success until he was placed on a super team and found his true role in the NBA: a high level role player.
 
Itzsoweezee said:
The Garnet revisionist history, on a spurs forum of all places, is hilarious.

KG was soft. He had a soft game and soft mentality. That’s why he postured like a tough guy and picked on white euros like all nba fake tough guys do. He had no success until he was placed on a super team and found his true role in the NBA: a high level role player.
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:st-lol: I was not so drastic but I mean... you are not entirely wrong
 
ambchang said:
I’m not getting your point at all. Garnett is not a good workout partner because he wasn’t a great shot blocker but Jokic is?

Besides Wembys game is literally Garnett 2.0. Everything Garnett did why can do better, only part is Garnett has a lot of experience. He is a sharp basketball mind, especially defensively. Wemby can learn so much from him just picking his brains and learning that thought process. I know everybody here hates Garnett for his crazy antics (happy Mother’s Day mfer, barking like a dog to Calderon, calling Charlie V a cancer patient) but I’m not asking for a brain transplant to wemby, just a few workouts to understand how to ready defences and react accordingly in the mid range/high post, how to read offences and slide to the right spots or guiding your man to a trap.

I’d love for wemby to play like Jokic but the games are just so different. Two schools of thought and I can see arguments to both sides. Work on your weaknesses or improve your strengths. I’m on the later camp and I believe you are in the former.
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About shot blocking I was just responding at your post where you gave stats about his career block numbers, it was part of the overall discussion of me saying I don't see Victor as KG 2.0.

As for Jokic I specifically talk about offensive game. On defense I feel Victor does not need a lot of coaching, just the famous how to continue high level defense while preserving stamina for the offense. Besides we have Tim around if needed on this aspect of the game.

As for your conclusion I do agree and I get your point. For me he has progressed a lot but he has still to improve on offense: punish teams that chose to go small on him, punish teams sending double/triple on him (eventhough it seems Victor starts to manage it better) and his passing/playmaking (aspects where I did not see much progress compared to year 1 Victor), and for that no better game to emulate than Jokic.
 
Garnett was 100% a fake tough guy but he was hyper engaged and competitive.
 
Itzsoweezee said:
The Garnet revisionist history, on a spurs forum of all places, is hilarious.

KG was soft. He had a soft game and soft mentality. That’s why he postured like a tough guy and picked on white euros like all nba fake tough guys do. He had no success until he was placed on a super team and found his true role in the NBA: a high level role player.
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Anybody calling KG tough?

brazil said:
About shot blocking I was just responding at your post where you gave stats about his career block numbers, it was part of the overall discussion of me saying I don't see Victor as KG 2.0.
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Got it. To clarify, KG 2.0 means Wemby can improve upon everything Garnett did, not that he is like Garnett.

brazil said:
As for Jokic I specifically talk about offensive game. On defense I feel Victor does not need a lot of coaching, just the famous how to continue high level defense while preserving stamina for the offense. Besides we have Tim around if needed on this aspect of the game.
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I am not sure if Tim's defence is what Wemby should be picking up, even though a point (great point too) could be made that great positioning and the cerebral aspect of Duncan's defence is timeline, and that is why I brought up Garnett. Garnett's combination of post and perimeter defence, often transitioning between both in the same possession, is something that not only Wemby is suited for, but also something that works well in today's league. I felt the Admiral, with his speed and length, is someone Wemby can emulate defensively, but Robinson didn't (likely because he didn't have to) play much perimeter defence back in those days.

brazil said:
As for your conclusion I do agree and I get your point. For me he has progressed a lot but he has still to improve on offense: punish teams that chose to go small on him, punish teams sending double/triple on him (eventhough it seems Victor starts to manage it better) and his passing/playmaking (aspects where I did not see much progress compared to year 1 Victor), and for that no better game to emulate than Jokic.
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Wemby's offence is definitely a work in progress, and much of that is decision making. He sometimes settles, he sometimes would grow impatient, he sometimes would take the flashy move instead of the simple move. For me, his play-making is a matter of reading double teams especially on drives around the high post areas. Garnett wasn't particularly outstanding in this low post, but he was an incredible shot creator and passer in the mid-range, high post and on drives for a big, which is something Wemby can learn from. What I would like Wemby to do is excel in that 10-18 feet area, either back to the basket on high posts, face ups shots, or quick drives. He would be absolutely lethal, especially when he can combine it with his outside shooting and offensive rebounding.

I am not sure what Wemby's full potential could be. I don't have to worry about him pulling a Shaq because of his laziness and never fully fulfililng his destiny to be the GOAT, but more like a Robinson, where he just worked on and was being ask for, the wrong stuff, stiffling his strengths and leading him to never reaching his true potential. Well ... or Ralph Sampson.
 
Kid is pretty good tbh… dat per 36 min stats must be off the chart tbh…
 
There have been (and will continue to be) ups and downs…but the fact of the matter is that when this guy is at his best there are very, very few players in the history of the league who you could argue were better. And he’s still only 21.

Consistency will come with experience. I get the high expectations and I’ve been frustrated at times myself, but just sit back and try to enjoy the ride tbh. All the questions around him being the alpha or his character are just noise.
 
Baby GOAT doing baby GOAT things.

He really is like a top defense all by himself, and the other Spurs players are learning to lean into his deterrence by playing aggressive defense on the paint and passing lanes, leading to very productive deflections for our guards to exploit. The Hawks could not take an open shot inside the arc tonight, and were stripped several times, very demoralizing sequences.

We're so fucking spoiled tbh :st-smokin:
 
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