Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

[frenchfred]

That would get him dangerously close to losing out on DPOY for the 3rd year in a row.

But it's up to him tbh. Everyone would understand.

Sucks that we had that 4th quarter shitshow.

At least no one was sticking their thumb up other people's assholes during the celebration. lol That was some real weird shit.

you only get one opportunity to participate at the funerals of a loved one and to be there for his mom. He will get another opportunity to win DPOY, I think that if he left today for France he can come back on Sunday to be there against OKC on Tuesday. He gets to spend 3 days with his family and one day to recover from jet lag (not much). Then, if he gets injured again during the season, he dresses up even if injured and plays one minute.

 

[ambchang]

I believe it's easier to work with somebody that is a fit and I don't see those 2 getting along. As for basketball takes I don't follow him but the little I've heard is some podcasts here and there and he does not strike me as the sharpest tool in the box. Game wise Garnett could surely help on some aspects but they are different players, I disagree with the ideia of Wemby being a 7'5 Garnett. Garnett did not shoot the 3s, Garnett was a willing passer just for a few years, Garnett was a trash talker trying to enter into people heads, not a great shot blocker, handles etc.... What Victor should emulate is Jokic on offense, that should be the goal imho. On defense he can work on stuff of course but there we have Duncan.

Garnett was a very strong long 2 18-foot jumper guy, which is a 3 pter today. As for Garnett not being a strong shot blocker I’m not sure what to say. He had two seasons in the top 10 and 10 seasons in the top 20 in the age of the giants, as a PF. Garnett was one of the best in recovering from the perimeter for a block.

Jokic would be nice. Id be ecstatic. But Jokic uses his girth a lot and that’s something wemby doesn’t have. Garnetts game with a high post turnaround, some dribble creation is pretty much what wemby is doing now.

 

[spursparker9]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2001419656054157315

 

[brazil]

Garnett was a very strong long 2 18-foot jumper guy, which is a 3 pter today. As for Garnett not being a strong shot blocker I’m not sure what to say. He had two seasons in the top 10 and 10 seasons in the top 20 in the age of the giants, as a PF. Garnett was one of the best in recovering from the perimeter for a block.

Jokic would be nice. Id be ecstatic. But Jokic uses his girth a lot and that’s something wemby doesn’t have. Garnetts game with a high post turnaround, some dribble creation is pretty much what wemby is doing now.

I did not say KG was not a strong shot blocker, I said not great which is a slight difference. Not great in a sense he never led the league in that category and he is a career 1,4 bpg and had one season over 2, Victor is a totally different animal without even talking about the fact he discourages an uncalculable number of shots near the rim. At one point you take all all time big and you can find similiraties with Victor, KG is one them for sure but if you talk about emulating my choice would be Jokic, they don't have the same strength obviously but they have same gravity in the offense, passing, play making, spacing and dealing with double teams are things Jokic excels at... exactly what Victor and this Spurs team need. For the rest I maintain I don't see KG as a great fit with Victor or Spurs organization as a whole eventhough KG could help develop some mid range go to move

 

[Tom-Tom82]

No one here knew that. Stop ragging on people that were venting after a tough loss/poor performance from him after he talked himself up bigtime (I wasn't happy with his play, but didn't really get on him about it. I easily could have as I'd prefer he doesn't talk it up and then come out and play poorly. Jokic is a phenomenal player and he kind of disrespected him with what he said). In any case, do you think everyone that piled on him during the game would have if they knew what happened beforehand? I would have been telling him not to play the game if I knew his grandmother passed away. If he was very close, it would have been crushing for him to hear that and then have to turn around and play a game. He probably didn't want to let his teammates down, but he should have taken it off. If it was Pop coaching, I doubt he would have let him play. I'm quite relieved that he didn't get hurt as his mind doesn't look like it was into the game at all and he could have gotten hurt playing against a physical Knicks team.

TD, I can't remember how many games he took off in the 2002 playoffs, but I think he took game 3 and maybe 4 off against the Supersonics and came back for game 5. This was just a regular season game. Sure it was for the Emirates Cup final, but still not anywhere close to a playoff game.

TD took Game 4 off in that 2002 1st round series and came back for Game 5.

 

[Exstatic]

took me a while to find something, but i guess it does.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000974414699979115

That’s awesome!

 

[Unseen]

Wemby is so much more effective when he's scoring through the flow of the offence, especially when he is moving and cutting and establishing postion before he gets the ball. That effectiveness drops dramatically when he starts to go iso starting from the perimeter. He's got great handles for a 7 + foot player but when he tries dribbling through traffic his height will always be a negative for him because the ball has more time to travle from hand to the floor and most NBA defenders can easily disrupt it.

 

[PanameSpur]

you only get one opportunity to participate at the funerals of a loved one and to be there for his mom. He will get another opportunity to win DPOY, I think that if he left today for France he can come back on Sunday to be there against OKC on Tuesday. He gets to spend 3 days with his family and one day to recover from jet lag (not much). Then, if he gets injured again during the season, he dresses up even if injured and plays one minute.

I don't think it would be wise just on an athletic aspect, such a journey would require more time for the body to digest the jet lag and ridiculous amount of hours in a plane.

It's sad but he knows he has the rest of his life to mourn her and go visit her grave. I think he'll stay

It's part of his growing up and passing from child to adult life to be stoic in those type of situations.

 

[spursparker9]

Wemby is so much more effective when he's scoring through the flow of the offence, especially when he is moving and cutting and establishing postion before he gets the ball. That effectiveness drops dramatically when he starts to go iso starting from the perimeter. He's got great handles for a 7 + foot player but when he tries dribbling through traffic his height will always be a negative for him because the ball has more time to travle from hand to the floor and most NBA defenders can easily disrupt it.

Unfortunately, he still has not realize this after 2 seasons. If there is a slower big guarding Vic, he can go iso from 3 pts line. But if wing or guard is on him, he need to establish post position and play from there

 

[PanameSpur]

I did not say KG was not a strong shot blocker, I said not great which is a slight difference. Not great in a sense he never led the league in that category and he is a career 1,4 bpg and had one season over 2, Victor is a totally different animal without even talking about the fact he discourages an uncalculable number of shots near the rim. At one point you take all all time big and you can find similiraties with Victor, KG is one them for sure but if you talk about emulating my choice would be Jokic, they don't have the same strength obviously but they have same gravity in the offense, passing, play making, spacing and dealing with double teams are things Jokic excels at... exactly what Victor and this Spurs team need. For the rest I maintain I don't see KG as a great fit with Victor or Spurs organization as a whole eventhough KG could help develop some mid range go to move

When you're the Franchise player and have so much responsibility on offense, you can't also have the same intensity on defense. It's not surprising he never led a block category, bc it's usually defensive specialists that get those.

That's another aspect where Wemby is unique and also what worries me the most long term for him.

We've never seen anyone willing to have as much impact on both sides and with today's type of bb it would put anyone's health at risk, let alone a frail body. IMO Wemby will have to make a choice at some point.

As for KG, I think he's not the same guy he was as a player and his knowledge and advices would be invaluable for Wemby, not so that he copy/become like him, just so that he add that to all the other tips he can get from the best.

During his last pod with Pierce, he for ex gave a tip on how Wemby should hold the ball above his head etc

 

[Exstatic]

When you're the Franchise player and have so much responsibility on offense, you can't also have the same intensity on defense. It's not surprising he never led a block category, bc it's usually defensive specialists that get those.

That's another aspect where Wemby is unique and also what worries me the most long term for him.

We've never seen anyone willing to have as much impact on both sides and with today's type of bb it would put anyone's health at risk, let alone a frail body. IMO Wemby will have to make a choice at some point.

As for KG, I think he's not the same guy he was as a player and his knowledge and advices would be invaluable for Wemby, not so that he copy/become like him, just so that he add that to all the other tips he can get from the best.

During his last pod with Pierce, he for ex gave a tip on how Wemby should hold the ball above his head etc

What planet are you on? Wemby has led the league in blocks per game and total blocks the last two seasons.

 

[Corso]

What planet are you on? Wemby has led the league in blocks per game and total blocks the last two seasons.

He was talking about KG.

 

[Exstatic]

He was talking about KG.

Gotcha.

 

[Ice009]

timmy missed 1 game vs the sonics after his father passed away (spurs lost by 12 and the sonics tied the series 2-2. that was in the best of 5 days)

TD took Game 4 off in that 2002 1st round series and came back for Game 5.

Thanks. I couldn't quite remember if it was one or two games. I knew it was definitely game 4 since the series went to game 5, but I wasn't sure if he also missed game 3.

I don't know, some other posters bought up a good point about jet lag, so maybe going to the funeral would be more than a few days off if he were to go. If he wants to go, I'd be more than OK with it. It's completely up to him.

I also wouldn't mind of KG were to work with him. I think KG can teach him some stuff that would help his game.

 

[Unseen]

When a former franchise player offers to work with you I think it's best to take it. There are allot of other things a former franchise player like KG could teach and I don't mean just on his basketball skills but also like things on how to handle the stress of being a franchise player such how to handle disappointment and loss and also how to handle wining and success and what to expect throught his career and also how to handle the media attention.

There will be moments where the media is in love with him and then there will be moments when the media will turn on him and write negative trash about him. It's things like this that a player like KG could really help him with.

 

[Unseen]

This is what I mean when I think Wemby is at his best especially on that first play when he is using his quickness to move around without the ball like here where he flairs out acting like he wants to receive the ball on the outside then quickly cuts in back towards the basket to receive the pass. This game against Giannis is still one of his best games as a Spur Imo

 

[brazil]

When you're the Franchise player and have so much responsibility on offense, you can't also have the same intensity on defense. It's not surprising he never led a block category, bc it's usually defensive specialists that get those.

That's another aspect where Wemby is unique and also what worries me the most long term for him.

We've never seen anyone willing to have as much impact on both sides and with today's type of bb it would put anyone's health at risk, let alone a frail body. IMO Wemby will have to make a choice at some point.

As for KG, I think he's not the same guy he was as a player and his knowledge and advices would be invaluable for Wemby, not so that he copy/become like him, just so that he add that to all the other tips he can get from the best.

During his last pod with Pierce, he for ex gave a tip on how Wemby should hold the ball above his head etc

Point is both are quite different players and I don't see Amb comparaison as valid (Victor is a 7'5 KG). As I said, Victor does not need more tips and tricks and stuff his issue is to digest what he has learned already, he needs to determine his mid range go to move on offense, sort it out, simplify and focus on being aggressive on the rim, he said himself that he tends to stay away when feeling tired. He knows it no need for big mouth KG to remind him that.

I have listened to his podcasts and stuff like everybody and sorry I am not impressed by his knowledge and advices... I have been "impressed" for instance by some of Lebron interviews or play calling certainly not KG.

Anyway that's me.

If Victor wants to emulate a player, pick Jokic, if he wants to work with talented bigs he has Tim near by or even LMA.

imho fwiw etc etc...

 

[frenchfred]

Point is both are quite different players and I don't see Amb comparaison as valid (Victor is a 7'5 KG). As I said, Victor does not need more tips and tricks and stuff his issue is to digest what he has learned already, he needs to determine his mid range go to move on offense, sort it out, simplify and focus on being aggressive on the rim, he said himself that he tends to stay away when feeling tired. He knows it no need for big mouth KG to remind him that.

I have listened to his podcasts and stuff like everybody and sorry I am not impressed by his knowledge and advices... I have been "impressed" for instance by some of Lebron interviews or play calling certainly not KG.

Anyway that's me.

If Victor wants to emulate a player, pick Jokic, if he wants to work with talented bigs he has Tim near by or even LMA.

imho fwiw etc etc...

for me, he should be able to shoot over people easily especially if teams continue to throw guards or forwards at him. I don't think that he will ever be capable of pushing other players in the low post like Shaq, Tim, Olajuwon...but he should be able to get to the range he feels the most confident and shoot over people like KD (without all the dribbling as Wemby is not as good as KD in that regard)

 

[PanameSpur]

Point is both are quite different players and I don't see Amb comparaison as valid (Victor is a 7'5 KG). As I said, Victor does not need more tips and tricks and stuff his issue is to digest what he has learned already, he needs to determine his mid range go to move on offense, sort it out, simplify and focus on being aggressive on the rim, he said himself that he tends to stay away when feeling tired. He knows it no need for big mouth KG to remind him that.

I have listened to his podcasts and stuff like everybody and sorry I am not impressed by his knowledge and advices... I have been "impressed" for instance by some of Lebron interviews or play calling certainly not KG.

Anyway that's me.

If Victor wants to emulate a player, pick Jokic, if he wants to work with talented bigs he has Tim near by or even LMA.

imho fwiw etc etc...

I agree on the comp.

I don't see why he should limit himself to a Jokic or any other great, he'll never be either and the idea isn't to copy.

He'll be Wemby bc of a combination of multitudes of inspirations, the richer the better in that aspect, no knowledge is pointless.

 

[Itzsoweezee]

What is Studio Gangster going to teach Wemby? Wemby is already a better defender than KG ever was, and the last thing Vic needs to do is become a midrange artist like Garnett.

 

[PanameSpur]

for me, he should be able to shoot over people easily especially if teams continue to throw guards or forwards at him. I don't think that he will ever be capable of pushing other players in the low post like Shaq, Tim, Olajuwon...but he should be able to get to the range he feels the most confident and shoot over people like KD (without all the dribbling as Wemby is not as good as KD in that regard)

I agree, also he needs to take into account how long he wants to play.

Being an efficient shooter is a key to longevity, and banging inside (pause) the paint has the opposite effect.

 

[PanameSpur]

What planet are you on? Wemby has led the league in blocks per game and total blocks the last two seasons.

Take a deep breathing before you answer and check if you've read properly the post before.

The point I'm making is that what Wemby is doing is unique for a reason in NBA history because it's not sustainable in terms of energy expenditure.

It's never been done before because it's insanely difficult and costly athletically.

I get his ambition, I even admire it, but I maintain he'll have to make a choice at some point, otherwise he'll have a very short career.

It's already risky for a stronger body type, so imagine on a lanky one who can fall many times every game. Just imagine his hips in a decade...

 

[PanameSpur]

What is Studio Gangster going to teach Wemby? Wemby is already a better defender than KG ever was, and the last thing Vic needs to do is become a midrange artist like Garnett.

Creating space is the main thing he can teach him imo and it's one of Wemby's biggest issue.

You can dislike KG but he's not an idiot and people can get better with age as well.

Not saying it's a necessity but I can't see what he has to lose, on the contrary...

 

[frenchfred]

Creating space is the main thing he can teach him imo and it's one of Wemby's biggest issue.

You can dislike KG but he's not an idiot and people can get better with age as well.

Not saying it's a necessity but I can't see what he has to lose, on the contrary...

A good video that shows what Wemby could learn from another skinny tall player