Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

[dn0774]

For somebody who is supposed to be a good athlete with decent size he is totally gun shy when it comes to going at the rim near defenders. He had some nice finishes through contact in his rookie year, what happened to that guy? Have the injuries taken their toll on a 22 year old? Has he not developed his body?

The shot looks better, but I guess that doesn’t mean much if the results are the same. His defense seemingly regressing from almost elite to just solid completely changes the math of his value on the court in a bad way.

And an example of what I mean, where is this guy? He should be doing a highlight dunk every week or 2 if he still has the same pop.

 

[dn0774]

Normally i'd say a quirky "talented" guy like Sochan could at least have a long career in a Euro league but from what i've heard they place an even higher emphasis on guys being able to dribble/pass/shoot than the NBA does so idk. Sochan's limited stint with Poland this passed summer was met with some criticism of his play if I recall.

I will be interested to see what Scohan looks like on a different team when/if that point comes. We saw Zach Collins as recently as last season look like an actual NBA player after being traded to the Bulls thanks to different coaching and schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see similar with Jeremy.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

There's just no role on this roster for him. Olynyk already looks to be a better fit at back up PF/smallball C and that's pretty much just because of his playmaking. Sochan won't be the roll man with Kornet out there and he won't be the guy in the paint going for offensive boards when Keldon is doing it. That makes him completely useless and since he's not starting, he's also not getting spoon fed by Wemby on cuts.

 

[Itzsoweezee]

His knees are completely wrapped in ice every time he goes to the bench. Physically, he’s just worse. Unfortunately, he doesn’t possess any real basketball skills to supplement his new physical shortcomings.

 

[PanameSpur]

The last few games has just been absolute abominations, to a point where it just looks like it's all in his head. Blowing layups after layups, fumbling the ball out of bounds like he got bitten by a snake. I know he doesn't have the best hands but this is beyond bad, and the numbers reflect it so far this year. His perimeter defence as well as rebounding has also dropped off significantly, turnovers are way up. It's sad really.

It's not just "the last few games"...

You've been wrong for years Karen

 

[ambchang]

It's not just "the last few games"...

You've been wrong for years Karen

And yet the numbers don’t bear that out. His defensive, rebounding and turnover numbers all got worse. But of course, you can’t understand any of them and go preach about people shouldn’t look at small sample sizes. The irony is thick.

 

[PanameSpur]

And yet the numbers don’t bear that out. His defensive, rebounding and turnover numbers all got worse. But of course, you can’t understand any of them and go preach about people shouldn’t look at small sample sizes. The irony is thick.

I told you multiple times but you just chose to ignore it, you can make numbers say anything you want and make any poor player look decent, especially when you have so many data at your disposal.

3 seasons of eye test should be enough to observe the mains issues without going into advance stats

 

[Exstatic]

I told you multiple times but you just chose to ignore it, you can make numbers say anything you want and make any poor player look decent, especially when you have so many data at your disposal.

3 seasons of eye test should be enough to observe the mains issues without going into advance stats

Yes, let’s just ignore the things that all front offices base player Evals on.

 

[PanameSpur]

Yes, let’s just ignore the things that all front offices base player Evals on.

You have the all-time record of the dumbest takes on ST boy, stay on your lane

 

[spurraider21]

at this point do we ask sochan to go back to the hair color gimmicks to convince some team to take a swing at dennis rodman 2.0

 

[LeBowen]

at this point do we ask sochan to go back to the hair color gimmicks to convince some team to take a swing at dennis rodman 2.0

Been saying it for years, his Rodman cosplay fooled people into thinking he can be a high end role player.

 

[ambchang]

I told you multiple times but you just chose to ignore it, you can make numbers say anything you want and make any poor player look decent, especially when you have so many data at your disposal.

3 seasons of eye test should be enough to observe the mains issues without going into advance stats

And hat have you said, things stars don’t back up. Now the stats actually showed him being bad because he regressed, doesn’t make what wasn’t the case in the past true because he is bad now.

But then you just don’t have any ability to manage any type of logical thinking.

 

[brazil]

I'm not even sure saying Sochan regressed is accurate, per 36 he is probably not that far from last year except defense where he regressed a bit. More importantly since his first year he never progressed and that is a significant red flag. I understand that the PG experiment fucked him up but this could have brought some silver lining in his game and it has not been the case. Year 1 Sochan = year 2 = year 3 and more or less same as year 4 tbh.. As of today he is out of the rotation and probably gone.

 

[jeebus]

His knees are completely wrapped in ice every time he goes to the bench. Physically, he’s just worse. Unfortunately, he doesn’t possess any real basketball skills to supplement his new physical shortcomings.

tbh that's half the team when they go to the bench. not even sure it's ice tbqhwy. probably just some new technique that's used on the players.

 

[Unseen]

He's just never going to have a high enough bb iq. I do think a change of team will do him well though and he could find a decent grove elsewhere

 

[ambchang]

I'm not even sure saying Sochan regressed is accurate, per 36 he is probably not that far from last year except defense where he regressed a bit. More importantly since his first year he never progressed and that is a significant red flag. I understand that the PG experiment fucked him up but this could have brought some silver lining in his game and it has not been the case. Year 1 Sochan = year 2 = year 3 and more or less same as year 4 tbh.. As of today he is out of the rotation and probably gone.

He regressed rather significantly on defence, finishing around the basket, turnovers (I think also passing but I can’t remember) and rebounding. Don’t have time but I can pull the numbers when I have time. Basically he didn’t get any better in any of his weaknesses and got worse across the board in things he used to be good at, and all those numbers are based on %, not on a raw data basis.

 

[Raven_]

I mean Barlow is starting in the league at the moment, so I am not worried about his career in the league. But as far him with us, both him and mitch need to turn it around fast, as contrary to popular belief, we really really need him, if we are to compete for a title.

 

[Splits]

I mean Barlow is starting in the league at the moment, so I am not worried about his career in the league. But as far him with us, both him and mitch need to turn it around fast, as contrary to popular belief, we really really need him, if we are to compete for a title.

who is "him"? Barlow? Oh wait you mean Sochan

 

[LeBowen]

I mean Barlow is starting in the league at the moment, so I am not worried about his career in the league. But as far him with us, both him and mitch need to turn it around fast, as contrary to popular belief, we really really need him, if we are to compete for a title.

We won't compete for a title because we're an inexperienced team and I'm pretty sure this season will end up in a hard fought series we lose because of inexperience.
Nothing wrong with that, happened to every young team.

I'm not sure what can Mitch turn around when Sochan has next to no basketball skills.
He got the ball in the middle of the paint at least 5 times last night and noone cared, he can't do anything with it.
And his shot seems to be gone again, 0-9 from 3pt over the past 4 games.

 

[Sugus]

Yeah, Sochan's days with the Spurs (and the NBA?) seem to be numbered, unfortunately. I was a big fan of his style of play, but he seems better suited for the Euro game (or maybe NBA a couple decades ago).

Shooting is just too strong in the current meta for any one player to just not do it at any level whatsoever, it's too detrimental to the team. The same way Sabonis can't find success as a non-defensive C, Sochan can't find any success as a non-shooting PF. His summer workouts seemed to all be geared in that direction..... But it looks like another case of "some players just can't get it", like Lonnie was.

It's sad he couldn't work out how to shoot, because I truly think his brand of ball - the """enforcer""", physical defense, big wings defender - has a place on the team. But you just can't be a Lu Dort without the shooting. And the Spurs are finally good enough to where they can't be bothered to wait and see which of their puppies turns into a Mastiff.... Especially considering none of their "core" players is an elite shooter themselves.

There's a big hole at the starting PF position on this team, and hopefully they can fill it with a mid-season trade, sooner than later.

 

[The Truth #6]

IIRC, one of the reasons they drafted him was that they had been in dire need for a power forward for a long time, and drafting someone like Jalen was less considered because of fit. Most people were happy we drafted him because he had some size and was physically tough, another thing that had been lacking.

Sucks, but it hasn't worked out. He's hit the the end of his second act. Not looking good.

It's hard to see him having a future with the team and changing. But then it was hard to see Devin ever adapting, either. He's looking more like a Lonnie Walker type outcome but we'll see.

 

[Ariel]

Sacramento desperately needs defense and size, start dialing right now. I´d ask for Keon Ellis and a second rounder, I´d settle for just Keon.

 

[ginobilized]

Sochan contributed last night. Seems like Mitch wipes the slate clean after each game and is working from an actual detailed game plan. Sochan's confidence seems shot offensively. Castle and Wemby might help him. I did notice that his DHOs were awesome last night. He was messing them up vs Portland, so that might be a little silver lining as to Sochan's learning curve. If he can understand his role and regain his confidence, he can help us win, no question.

 

[Raven_]

We won't compete for a title because we're an inexperienced team and I'm pretty sure this season will end up in a hard fought series we lose because of inexperience.
Nothing wrong with that, happened to every young team.

I'm not sure what can Mitch turn around when Sochan has next to no basketball skills.
He got the ball in the middle of the paint at least 5 times last night and noone cared, he can't do anything with it.
And his shot seems to be gone again, 0-9 from 3pt over the past 4 games.

we need people who can stop the SGAs of the league, and the inexperience gimmick is just that given the competition.

 

[Raven_]

Sacramento desperately needs defense and size, start dialing right now. I´d ask for Keon Ellis and a second rounder, I´d settle for just Keon.

hard to find someone less usable for us.. without sochan we have precisely 0 pfs on the roster.