Player The Layne Staley Depression-Laden Foxhole of De'Aaron Martez Fox

bozhemoi said:
People need to realize that Fox can't break down defenders anymore, and that's why he has to play off-ball. Anyone with length, he goes nowhere. It's aimless dribbling into a wall.
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Great, so you're saying we got a PG that is in his athletic prime, but somehow is already past his prime athletic ability? I don't think that is the case. He still has that speed.
 
spursistan said:
Time for the harsh truth: Save for the stretch without Wemby, Fox is overpaid for what he is now before even that albatross-looking extension kicks in..

A guard, in his prime, on that type of money who can't give you 20-pts a night in an era of basketball marked by offense inflation is a borderline negative asset.

Said it before, even a 30 year-old Aldridge was more consistently reliable than him when we got him..
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A combination of decreased mpg/usage are the culprit for his ppg decline despite having one of the most efficient seasons of his career.

But yeah, in the way he's being utilized, he's never going to be worth the max to the Spurs and good luck trading him period and "doing right by him" in the process, especially if the Heat acquire Antetokounmpo, thereby crossing them off as the obvious landing spot.

That, the likelihood that Castle and Harper remain a terrible fit offensively and the relative urgency to truly contend for a championship with Wembanyama, are why I'm not ruling out a Harper trade, even if Boozer is the only obvious target I see.
 
If I miss a spurs game, I don’t even have to check the box score, I just go to this thread and/or the castle thread and if there are certain posters posting, I know we lost. I don’t even have to read the content.
 
he is the worst defender of the 3, if he is not the hot hand or making plays on offense, he just shouldn't be playing heavy minutes.
 
Ice009 said:
Great, so you're saying we got a PG that is in his athletic prime, but somehow is already past his prime athletic ability? I don't think that is the case. He still has that speed.
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Do not take anything that guys says about Fox seriously. Dude hates on the guy in ridiculous fashion. He used to be a semi-decent poster w/ crap tendencies and now he straight sucks.
 
I think I only seen Fox in attack-mode twice this season.

1 game @Blazer when he scored 36 or 37 pts while Wemby was out
1 game @OKC (xmas game) when he scored 29
 
spursparker9 said:
I think I only seen Fox in attack-mode twice this season.

1 game @Blazer when he scored 36 or 37 pts while Wemby was out
1 game @OKC (xmas game) when he scored 29
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He was pretty consistent when carrying the team with Wemby and castle both out
 
Give him more touches. Let him get going a bit. I'm telling, he's gonna average 28 PPG in a playoff series this season.
 
People love to say that they want their players to come in and not be selfish and play within a system in a way that leads to team success, but it seems that some of you would prefer that Fox plays in a selfish manner in order to get better stats regardless of the team winning. There's a lot of talk here as though De'Aaron is playing badly or somehow worse than he has previously, but is that really whats happening?

Well, he is below 20 ppg for only the 3rd time in his career and the first time since his 2nd year in the league, which tends to agree with that. He's also an assist lower than his career high, although that is pretty much at his career average.

But is that pretty much it?

He's at his 2nd lowest turnovers per game mark at 2.5 and his TO/36mins are the exact same as the season he got MVP votes. His shooting is improved. His DBPM is the highest of his career (So is his D-LEBRON). He's at his 2nd highest true shooting percentage.

He's also at his HIGHEST percentage of 2 point FGs that are assisted at 32%. He's never had about a third of his 2 pointers come off of someone else's creation. This tells you that he's operating way more off ball than he has in the past which is also supported by the 3rd lowest usage in his career.

Like honestly why are people saying shit about Fox? I would understand if the Spurs were struggling, but they are way beyond all expectations and while his PPG are lower, the numbers he's putting up are perfectly fine and he's doing it more efficiently than he normally has throughout his career while playing better defense than most of his career.


The bitching around here towards some players and the coach is borderline insane given how much this team is out performing preseason expectations.
 
MannyIG said:
People love to say that they want their players to come in and not be selfish and play within a system in a way that leads to team success, but it seems that some of you would prefer that Fox plays in a selfish manner in order to get better stats regardless of the team winning. There's a lot of talk here as though De'Aaron is playing badly or somehow worse than he has previously, but is that really whats happening?

Well, he is below 20 ppg for only the 3rd time in his career and the first time since his 2nd year in the league, which tends to agree with that. He's also an assist lower than his career high, although that is pretty much at his career average.

But is that pretty much it?

He's at his 2nd lowest turnovers per game mark at 2.5 and his TO/36mins are the exact same as the season he got MVP votes. His shooting is improved. His DBPM is the highest of his career (So is his D-LEBRON). He's at his 2nd highest true shooting percentage.

He's also at his HIGHEST percentage of 2 point FGs that are assisted at 32%. He's never had about a third of his 2 pointers come off of someone else's creation. This tells you that he's operating way more off ball than he has in the past which is also supported by the 3rd lowest usage in his career.

Like honestly why are people saying shit about Fox? I would understand if the Spurs were struggling, but they are way beyond all expectations and while his PPG are lower, the numbers he's putting up are perfectly fine and he's doing it more efficiently than he normally has throughout his career while playing better defense than most of his career.


The bitching around here towards some players and the coach is borderline insane given how much this team is out performing preseason expectations.
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Without Wemby he was at 25ppg (barely less than his career high) at like 38%+in 3pt% ((his highest ever 3pt%), and his stats were overall the best of his career. When he's the top dog, he's shown he's an All-Star, no question, and a big reason why the Spurs won so many games without Wemby. He's a beast.
 
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100% agree with Manny's post but I think people will always be frustrated with Fox's production because he's making max money for it.
 
It’s not gonna be fun when Fox doesn’t score 20 in game 5 of a series. Fans have the right to criticize Fox because he is the highest paid player on the team, plain and simple.
 
100%Duncan said:
It’s not gonna be fun when Fox doesn’t score 20 in game 5 of a series. Fans have the right to criticize Fox because he is the highest paid player on the team, plain and simple.
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There will be plenty of nights where he doesn’t score 20, and that’s okay because our team isn’t built upon relying on any one scorer. Tonight is a great example, one of our most dominant games with Wemby and Fox only scoring 16 and 15.

On the other hand, Fox absolutely CANNOT play like he did in the first half tonight. That’s unacceptable. He was much better (I’d even say very good) in the second.
 
scott said:
There will be plenty of nights where he doesn’t score 20, and that’s okay because our team isn’t built upon relying on any one scorer. Tonight is a great example, one of our most dominant games with Wemby and Fox only scoring 16 and 15.

On the other hand, Fox absolutely CANNOT play like he did in the first half tonight. That’s unacceptable. He was much better (I’d even say very good) in the second.
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Talking more about playoffs where you need your scorers and pressure release guys, so I disagree with you.

I am expecting a lot of our young guys to lay eggs on some games, which is why I have an inversely higher expectation on Fox being our veteran guy come the post-season.
 
100%Duncan said:
Talking more about playoffs where you need your scorers and pressure release guys, so I disagree with you.

I am expecting a lot of our young guys to lay eggs on some games, which is why I have an inversely higher expectation on Fox being our veteran guy come the post-season.
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If Fox isn't scoring 20+ in every playoff game while not turning it over and making the right decisions, he's not worth the money. Simple as that.
It's harsh, but we have the luxury of not needing to rely on him. Or at least we should have it in no time.
 
100%Duncan said:
Talking more about playoffs where you need your scorers and pressure release guys, so I disagree with you.

I am expecting a lot of our young guys to lay eggs on some games, which is why I have an inversely higher expectation on Fox being our veteran guy come the post-season.
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Well start getting mad now, because there will undoubtedly be playoff games where Fox doesn’t score 20, just like there were playoff games (finals, even) where Duncan didn’t score 20.

The Spurs gameplan isn’t reliant upon any one player scoring 20, and that’s by design. Judging a player by some arbitrary stat achievement that isn’t related to our real goals (winning games) is silly.
 
LeBowen said:
If Fox isn't scoring 20+ in every playoff game while not turning it over and making the right decisions, he's not worth the money. Simple as that.
It's harsh, but we have the luxury of not needing to rely on him. Or at least we should have it in no time.
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What a stupid take. You’re better than this :st-lol:
 
Someone call up the Pacers and tell them Tyrese Haliburton isn’t worth it, because he doesn’t score 20 in every playoff game :st-lol:

You’re going to make me channel my inner Angry @MannyIG with these braindead takes
 
there is no question that he will be overpaid next year if he has the same production but the Spurs didn't know that they would land Harper and were looking for an elite guard, there were not that many available so they went for him. We need more P&R between him and Wemby
 
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