Player The Layne Staley Depression-Laden Foxhole of De'Aaron Martez Fox

[DAF86]

Oh some YouTubes... yeah, okay I'm ready to trade a key part of our team for Durant now

I just posted some to give you an example. It was talked everywhere. You can also check the Lakers' stats from March onwards.

 

[scott]

I just posted some to give you an example. It was talked everywhere. You can also check the Lakers' stats from March onwards.

I already did. LeBron has a higher USG from March 1 onwards.

Maybe LeBron took a backseat while the moon was gibbous waxing and that proves KD is ready to not be a locker room cancer for the first time in his career.

 

[DAF86]

I already did. LeBron has a higher USG from March 1 onwards.

Maybe LeBron took a backseat while the moon was gibbous waxing and that proves KD is ready to not be a locker room cancer for the first time in his career.

You have Lebron literally acknowledging he took a backseat to Luka and Reaves, but I guess you can keep being a smartass about a 1.2 % USG rate with no context whatsoever.

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[Exstatic]

If I understand, we should not expect Fox to be too good or this would come at the expense of Harper and Harper is the PG of the future and we know that eventually we won't be able to keep Fox when we start resigning Wemby and Castle. So, the Spurs will pay Fox the max to be a mentor essentially? Sorry, but if Fox plays and is getting paid the max, I'm expecting more from him than just being a mentor. I was happy the way he played yesterday, I’m fine with him shooting less and deferring to the guy with the hot hand, but when the whole team is in a slump, I expect him to step up and take control.

Pretty much what he did in game four.

 

[scott]

You have Lebron literally acknowledging he took a backseat to Luka and Reaves, but I guess you can keep being a smartass about a 1.2 % USG rate with no context whatsoever.

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What's the context where you say you're taking a backseat... but still have a higher USG% than the guy you are taking a backseat to (and it pretty much matches the season long averages)... other than it's just a bunch of words that don't match what's actually happening on the court?

LeBron did take 1.9 fewer FGA/gm after Mar 1 compared to his season average... but they didn't go to Reaves (who's FGA/gm also went down after Mar 1 compared to his season long average)... they all went to Luka (+2.2 FGA/gm). Maybe LeBron wanted to make sure AR didn't feel left out

You can post all the videos you like, but they keep records of what actually happens on the court, they don't just take a guy's word for it like it's some fishing story.

 

[DAF86]

What's the context where you say you're taking a backseat... but still have a higher USG% than the guy you are taking a backseat to (and it pretty much matches the season long averages)... other than it's just a bunch of words that don't match what's actually happening on the court?

LeBron did take 1.9 fewer FGA/gm after Mar 1 compared to his season average... but they didn't go to Reaves (who's FGA/gm also went down after Mar 1 compared to his season long average)... they all went to Luka (+2.2 FGA/gm). Maybe LeBron wanted to make sure AR didn't feel left out

You can post all the videos you like, but they keep records of what actually happens on the court, they don't just take a guy's word for it like it's some fishing story.

I'm talking about the context where Lebron played the entire month of april without Luka nor Reaves, therefore probably inflating his USG %. Also, Reaves having some "minutes restriction" games in the month of march which also probably decreased his USG and increased Lebrons. That kind of context.

I don't know why are you so hell bent on trying to be proven right on a technicality, when everybody knows the big story of the Lakers' March run was Lebron LITERALLY saying he was taking a back seat to Luka and AR and anybody that watched Lakers games on that stretch could realize this.

 

[scott]

Congrats man, you did it! You found the perfect combination of games where Lebron had a lower USG than Reaves.

March 1 - April 1

LeBron - 22.3 / 12.7 FGA/gm
AR - 24.1 / 15.1 FGA/gm

You've definitely proven that KD is ready to be a model teammate!

(Reaves minutes restriction minutes tho? Lakers training staff is AMAZING to have some pre-injury minutes restrictions for AR! but nah... he averaged 37 mpg in that stretch lol)

 

[DAF86]

Congrats man, you did it! You found the perfect combination of games where Lebron had a lower USG than Reaves.

March 1 - April 1

LeBron - 22.3 / 12.7 FGA/gm
AR - 24.1 / 15.1 FGA/gm

You've definitely proven that KD is ready to be a model teammate!

(Reaves minutes restriction minutes tho? Lakers training staff is AMAZING to have some pre-injury minutes restrictions for AR! but nah... he averaged 37 mpg in that stretch lol)

What a weird hill to die on, tbh.

I made that "Lebron took a backseat to AR" comment just as a throwaway line, I don't know why you got so fixated on it.

Of course that I don't trully think the fact that Lebron took a backseat to AR is the reason KD is gonna be a standup teammate on a potential move to San Antonio. I think KD will behave here for a number of reasons (none that involves Lebron or Austin Reaves ):

1) It's the last chance to salvage his reputation.
2) He wants to play here. That was his plan all along, the Rockets option was a leftover.
3) He knows Wemby is the alpha.
4) Wemby and Durant like each other.
5) and last, but not least, he's gonna win here. Winning will keep him happy and in his best behaviour.

 

[scott]

What a weird hill to die on, tbh.

I made that "Lebron took a backseat to AR" comment just as a throwaway line, I don't know why you got so fixated on it.

Of course that I don't trully think the fact that Lebron took a backseat to AR is the reason KD is gonna be a standup teammate on a potential move to San Antonio. I think KD will behave here for a number of reasons (none that involves Lebron or Austin Reaves ):

1) It's the last chance to salvage his reputation.
2) He wants to play here. That was his plan all along, the Rockets option was a leftover.
3) He knows Wemby is the alpha.
4) Wemby and Durant like each other.
5) and last, but not least, he's gonna win here. Winning will keep him happy and in his best behaviour.

Thankfully for our team's success we have

6) The Spurs correctly weren't interested in him last summer
7) The Spurs are too smart to break up their 62-win championship contending team in the hopes that all these things fall into place and KD becomes a new man

There are men and women out there who get into relationships with serial cheaters, thinking "he/she will be different for me" and you know what... sometimes they are right. But they usually aren't.

 

[scott]

And BTW, no one is "freaking out" at your "unpopular opinion" (and @frenchfred beat you to it by several weeks)... we just all see how dumb it is. The fact the Spurs will never do it is just our safety blanket.

 

[spurs3223]

Are we really seriously talking about trading for Kevin Durant? He's like a grandpa backdoor Dejounte on steroids with the burner drama. "Slim Reaper" nickname has aged well -- he kills team chemistry. Ya know, the thing that propelled us to a 60 win season this year?

(Ya'll oughta to chat up some Suns fans sometime.)

Fox is good, relax about the contract. It doesn't hurt us rn. We're on a path toward the WCF. Like I said before, if he hits a few of those shots in Game 2 everyone would at least be pretending to be cool with him. But it seems like there is a contingent of fans dead set on getting rid of Fox ASAP. It's a bad take imo.

 

[DAF86]

Thankfully for our team's success we have

6) The Spurs correctly weren't interested in him last summer
7) The Spurs are too smart to break up their 62-win championship contending team in the hopes that all these things fall into place and KD becomes a new man

There are men and women out there who get into relationships with serial cheaters, thinking "he/she will be different for me" and you know what... sometimes they are right. But they usually aren't.

I doubt the Spurs weren't interested in Durant. I think the most likely scenario was that they weren't willing to pay the price the Suns were asking for. With Durant's price being at an all-time low, it could be a good time to give it a try. Although, KD played good enough this season for some dumb team to probably overpay for him this offseason.

 

[DAF86]

And BTW, no one is "freaking out" at your "unpopular opinion" (and @frenchfred beat you to it by several weeks)... we just all see how dumb it is. The fact the Spurs will never do it is just our safety blanket.

I swear to Duncan, these were the type of comments I got when I suggested going for CP3 as a mentor. Down to the "the Spurs will never do it" part.

 

[scott]

I swear to Duncan, these were the type of comments I got when I suggested going for CP3 as a mentor. Down to the "the Spurs will never do it" part.

I don't recall anyone really caring about CP3 other than a few old heads who just didn't like him... we were a 22 win team... it's not like the Spurs had anything to potentially break.

But because I don't want anyone to go use all of the resources required to search the ST servers... I'll just believe you. The big difference though is what I mentioned above... there was no cost to bringing in CP3 (in terms of cost to acquire, or cost to the team). That's not the scenario here with KD. I don't think the Spurs FO is as concerned about Fox's contract as a handful of people here, because it doesn't matter yet and there is plenty of time to deal with it later (and some coming outs in the expansion draft and the CBA renegotiations)

 

[DAF86]

Are we really seriously talking about trading for Kevin Durant? He's like a grandpa backdoor Dejounte on steroids with the burner drama. "Slim Reaper" nickname has aged well -- he kills team chemistry. Ya know, the thing that propelled us to a 60 win season this year?

(Ya'll oughta to chat up some Suns fans sometime.)

Fox is good, relax about the contract. It doesn't hurt us rn. We're on a path toward the WCF. Like I said before, if he hits a few of those shots in Game 2 everyone would at least be pretending to be cool with him. But it seems like there is a contingent of fans dead set on getting rid of Fox ASAP. It's a bad take imo.

Whether people here want to admit it or not, Fox days as a Spurs are numbered. He will sooner or later get moved to make room for Harper. The more we wait to make a move, the less we're gonna get for him. I hate to bring this up right in the middle of a championship push, but it is the truth, and I doubt my word has any relevance within the Spurs players and organization.

 

[spurs3223]

Whether people here want to admit it or not, Fox days as a Spurs are numbered. He will sooner or later get moved to make room for Harper. The more we wait to make a move, the less we're gonna get for him. I hate to bring this up right in the middle of a championship push, but it is the truth, and I doubt my word has any relevance within the Spurs players and organization.

You might have to wrap your mind around the possibility of Fox coming off the bench as a Max player while we collect championships.

 

[100%Duncan]

I was heavily on the Durant train in ST but that was more of being frustrated that we were still a bottom team after Wemby.


I’m not Fox’s biggest fan but it’s just hard to imagine a world breaking up a the core of a 62 win team for 38 yr old Kevin Durant. Our young core LOVE Fox, that matters tbh.

Working environments correlate with employee turnovers and morale.

 

[DAF86]

I don't recall anyone really caring about CP3 other than a few old heads who just didn't like him... we were a 22 win team... it's not like the Spurs had anything to potentially break.

But because I don't want anyone to go use all of the resources required to search the ST servers... I'll just believe you. The big difference though is what I mentioned above... there was no cost to bringing in CP3 (in terms of cost to acquire, or cost to the team). That's not the scenario here with KD. I don't think the Spurs FO is as concerned about Fox's contract as a handful of people here, because it doesn't matter yet and there is plenty of time to deal with it later (and some coming outs in the expansion draft and the CBA renegotiations)

That is easy to say now. I vividly remember folks saying he would be a horrible role model with a loser mentality that would negatively influence our young prospects.

 

[DAF86]

You might have to wrap your mind around the possibility of Fox coming off the bench as a Max player while we collect championships.

Never going to happen, and if it does, it would be a terrible use of a max contract. Borderlining on malpractice.

 

[scott]

That is easy to say now. I vividly remember folks saying he would be a horrible role model with a loser mentality that would negatively influence our young prospects.

Well... of course not all posters are created equally, and some takes a more grounded in sanity than others.

I wouldn't go as far to say the Spurs would have NEVER considered KD... but I feel extremely confident in saying they absolutely would not move the current version of Fox in the context of this team for the current version of KD.

I also don't even know why we'd want KD. You made the argument he's a great fit... but I don't think he is. Even if you remove Fox from the equation, we wouldn't need to replace him with another 20ppg scorer, since the idea would be to elevate Harper to that role. The idea would be a starting PF who can put up 14/8.

 

[spurs3223]

Well... of course not all posters are created equally, and some takes a more grounded in sanity than others.

I wouldn't go as far to say the Spurs would have NEVER considered KD... but I feel extremely confident in saying they absolutely would not move the current version of Fox in the context of this team for the current version of KD.

I also don't even know why we'd want KD. You made the argument he's a great fit... but I don't think he is. Even if you remove Fox from the equation, we wouldn't need to replace him with another 20ppg scorer, since the idea would be to elevate Harper to that role. The idea would be a starting PF who can put up 14/8.

If it all worked out and we saw KD putting up 18/6/4 on great efficiency people would complain that he's on the decline, he's not producing like he used, not worth his contract, etc. There is one basketball folks.

 

[scott]

If it all worked out and we saw KD putting up 18/6/4 on great efficiency people would complain that he's on the decline, he's not producing like he used, not worth his contract, etc. There is one basketball folks.

Anything short of the Spurs scoring 150 ppg is a failure on the part of the organization!

 

[spurs3223]

Never going to happen, and if it does, it would be a terrible use of a max contract. Borderlining on malpractice.

I'm not saying it will happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if it did. I feel like this 'max contract player must do ____' thinking is way too rigid. You'd have a problem with us winning championships with Fox coming off the bench because... why? He'd be the highest paid 6moty of all time. So what? When his contract expires he re-signs for significantly less while the young boys start getting their bags and the train keeps moving.

Like would you seriously accuse the front office of malpractice while we're winning championships? What's actually important to you?

 

[DAF86]

I'm not saying it will happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if it did. I feel like this 'max contract player must do ____' thinking is way too rigid. You'd have a problem with us winning championships with Fox coming off the bench because... why? He'd be the highest paid 6moty of all time. So what? When his contract expires he re-signs for significantly less while the young boys start getting their bags and the train keeps moving.

Like would you seriously accuse the front office of malpractice while we're winning championships? What's actually important to you?

Of course I don't care how the money is distributed as long as we are winning championships. I'm just telling you your hypothetical scenario is never going to happen. In today's NBA, where cap space is at a premium, you will never see a max contract coming off the bench. When the time comes for Harper to be placed in the starting lineup, Fox will be traded for other assets.

 

[frenchfred]

Pretty much what he did in game four.

That was a great game but that is one game, I would have expected him to do that in game 2 when Wemby went down. I don’t think that it is too much to ask from the highest salary on the team. I don’t have a problem with him being a TP type player but for TP type salary.

Anyway, we’ll see how he plays the rest of rhe playoffs