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[brazil]

when I say he's the weakest link I'm clearly talking about the rotation. Not no Sochan, Waters, Olynyk, Bryant, etc. He's the weakest part out of all of those 9 guys that we play when fully healthy. Which means his position is obviously the one we should upgrade and thus send him to the bench. And I think Barnes off the bench can be pretty valuable. His plus minus is worthless if he only scores 2 points and has 0 rebounds playing the 4 no matter how you slice it. You are in fact the one comparing apples to oranges bringing third stringers and G-Leaguers into the conversation, when they weren't even part of it.

I already answered to that. This team needs at all time at least 2 3 pts shooter along side Victor especially with Fox and Castle. We have basically 3 players capable to give space for Castle, Fox, Victor to operate inside... Barnes, Vassell and Champ. Your only option here while Vassell is out would be KJ but the second unit kinda need him. I never brought third stringers and G leaguers to the conversation, I just said Barnes is not the biggest Spurs issue. Now if you find a great young 3&D guy to trade for Barnes you obviously do it, I consider everybody is tradable except Victor and to a slight lesser extend Castle, Harper. Now you won't replace Barnes without throwing other assets and Spurs have other topics on the table like what to do with Sochan for instance.

Now we can continue the back and forth about weakest link I disagree I consider Barnes very valuable and a great acquisition, he is a 33 y/o never injured vet on an expiring contract bringing shooting for a roster that lacks shooting. This kind of guys are great to have in a roster. He will be UFA next season, Spurs could trade him or salary dump him now or propose a contract extension at the vet tariff, I would be fine with both.

I don't get your take on that one or most of your Victor takes or overall view of the Spurs... I certainly did not need to throw some dumb, stupid adjectives tho

 

[brazil]

Just to add a bit to the debate, I found some numbers Spurs with Victor and Barnes and Spurs with Victor without Barnes. [should be accurate]

Efficiency at the rim with Victor and Barnes 72% efficiency but with Victor w/o Barnes: 66%. Offensive rating same configuration 120 vs. 114. Those numbers are a good illustration of spacing provided by Barnes shooting.
funnily enough you have almost the same exact numbers with the duo Vassell Victor.

On half court offense, Offensive rating with duo Victor/Barnes or Victor/Vassell 104 and with Victor and w/o one of the those two 98.

What I'd like to see more to compensate opponents packing the paint not respecting our 3 pts shooter when our 3 pts % is bad is Victor trailing on offense. When doing so he arrives in half court with some speed which creates more movements on offense, he can then choose his defender set a scree and roll to the rim. The game against OKC or even Boston was quite telling in that regard, dat half court with 4 ou 5 defenders in the restricted area stagning the offense was painful to watch with a lot of forced shots or heavily contested lay ups everywhere.

We better get ready because this defense and offense puzzle is exactly what we will encounter in POs. What worries here is that usually roles players ala Champagnie can fold in POs. Barnes has not been in POs in a long time but the 4 years with GSW he shot about the same from 3s than during RS.

 

[tearsofmorningdew]

Just to add a bit to the debate, I found some numbers Spurs with Victor and Barnes and Spurs with Victor without Barnes. [should be accurate]

Efficiency at the rim with Victor and Barnes 72% efficiency but with Victor w/o Barnes: 66%. Offensive rating same configuration 120 vs. 114. Those numbers are a good illustration of spacing provided by Barnes shooting.
funnily enough you have almost the same exact numbers with the duo Vassell Victor.

On half court offense, Offensive rating with duo Victor/Barnes or Victor/Vassell 104 and with Victor and w/o one of the those two 98.

What I'd like to see more to compensate opponents packing the paint not respecting our 3 pts shooter when our 3 pts % is bad is Victor trailing on offense. When doing so he arrives in half court with some speed which creates more movements on offense, he can then choose his defender set a scree and roll to the rim. The game against OKC or even Boston was quite telling in that regard, dat half court with 4 ou 5 defenders in the restricted area stagning the offense was painful to watch with a lot of forced shots or heavily contested lay ups everywhere.

We better get ready because this defense and offense puzzle is exactly what we will encounter in POs. What worries here is that usually roles players ala Champagnie can fold in POs. Barnes has not been in POs in a long time but the 4 years with GSW he shot about the same from 3s than during RS.

I hear you but I don’t think barnes has earned benefit of the doubt for the playoffs….need an upgrade at the 4/markedly diminished role for him…holding out hopes that champaignie can be verde-lite

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I already answered to that. This team needs at all time at least 2 3 pts shooter along side Victor especially with Fox and Castle. We have basically 3 players capable to give space for Castle, Fox, Victor to operate inside... Barnes, Vassell and Champ. Your only option here while Vassell is out would be KJ but the second unit kinda need him. I never brought third stringers and G leaguers to the conversation, I just said Barnes is not the biggest Spurs issue. Now if you find a great young 3&D guy to trade for Barnes you obviously do it, I consider everybody is tradable except Victor and to a slight lesser extend Castle, Harper. Now you won't replace Barnes without throwing other assets and Spurs have other topics on the table like what to do with Sochan for instance.

Now we can continue the back and forth about weakest link I disagree I consider Barnes very valuable and a great acquisition, he is a 33 y/o never injured vet on an expiring contract bringing shooting for a roster that lacks shooting. This kind of guys are great to have in a roster. He will be UFA next season, Spurs could trade him or salary dump him now or propose a contract extension at the vet tariff, I would be fine with both.

I don't get your take on that one or most of your Victor takes or overall view of the Spurs... I certainly did not need to throw some dumb, stupid adjectives tho

1. The Spurs can easily find a Barnes upgrade without trading him

2. You can easily find players who provide the same spacing as Barnes, but put up better numbers and impact the game in other areas besides shooting

I think leadership wise he's important to the team, which is why I think they will extend him. Barnes being an ironman who plays all 82 is also valuable for the regular season. We just need another 4, so that we don't have to play him 30 minutes if his shot is off.

 

[LeBowen]

8 rebounds
4 offensive
4 defensive

Haters nowhere to be seen.
A couple offensive rebounds were momentum changing.

 

[CGD]

Still struggling from range, but some big time boards tonight for sure

 

[Raven_]

midblowing he gets 28 minutes

 

[Ice009]

8 rebounds
4 offensive
4 defensive

Haters nowhere to be seen.
A couple offensive rebounds were momentum changing.

He was better, but he's still not playing that well. Hasn't had a single really good game for a while (May he had one, but I can't remember anyway).

 

[Exstatic]

8 rebounds
4 offensive
4 defensive

Haters nowhere to be seen.
A couple offensive rebounds were momentum changing.

That’s called an outlier. Someone posted a stretch of 128 minutes where he had like 2 boards. He is known, and actually is a subpar rebounder.

 

[Shmurs]

If he would cut out the contested shots and taking on 2-3 guys in the paint with his ineffective hesi stuff, that would be a good start. I don’t know why he defaults back to “the team needs ME” mode so often. Just take the shots as they come and move the ball to more important players when they don’t.

 

[LeBowen]

Someone posted a stretch of 128 minutes where he had like 2 boards.

That would be me.
Sarcasm detector broken?

 

[Exstatic]

That would be me.
Sarcasm detector broken?

No, I must have missed the blue font,usually used in these situations.

 

[LeBowen]

No, I must have missed the blue font,usually used in these situations.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

heard he has a great plus/minus and provides great spacing

 

[brazil]

heard he has a great plus/minus and provides great spacing

 

[spursparker9]

heard he has a great plus/minus and provides great spacing

Heard he also provides championship experience and contribute to SA community

 

[Shmurs]

He taught the guys how to calculate a tip and do laundry on the road and stuff. We’re seeing that payoff on the court.

…it’s a little funny that Paul and Barnes were touted as these transformative leaders for the young guys…virtually all of whom we have shipped out or marginalized since then. So what difference did any of that make?

 

[LeBowen]

17 games since Christmas.
6.4/2.2/2.2 on 34/26/82 in 25mpg.

It's one thing to be in a slump, but he's become a huge liability out there over the past month.
He has 16 rebounds in 11 games.
8 of those 16 in that win against the Timberwolves.

If we exclude that one, he's at 8 rebounds in 10 games, 245 minutes total.
One rebound per 30 minutes played.

 

[Rafa]

If we exclude that one, he's at 8 rebounds in 10 games, 245 minutes total.
One rebound per 30 minutes played.

This is actually fucking criminal behavior. Couldn't agree more on the idea that a shooting slump is acceptable (maybe not this long...) but when no other effort is being put in it's fucking touch to justify that consistent starting spot and 25 mins a night. Will be really telling to see what's gonna happen when Dev is off his mitch sponsored arbitrary minutes restriction.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

weakest link got benched. Perfect role for him.