Player The blessed howl's moving Castle of Stephon Javonte

So awesome that Castle brought Olin, The Guard Whisperer, down to SA and revisited the mid-range game. It can take a while to integrate and lock in new ways of doing things. Changes everything if the mid-range is in his bag.
 
Thanks for this link. Also fun to read Rockets fans talking about how it must be nice to have good coaching, like the Spurs.

Is there any team that doesn't complain about their coach?
I've been beating this drum a bit on the Mitch thread, because every single time we play the Rockettes, there is at least one poster frothing at the mouth for Udoka. Yet he receives heavy critique from most actual Houston fans, it's crazy.

He was kicked out of Boston and may get the boot again as soon as this season if (when) the Rockettes underperform in the playoffs.
 
I've been beating this drum a bit on the Mitch thread, because every single time we play the Rockettes, there is at least one poster frothing at the mouth for Udoka. Yet he receives heavy critique from most actual Houston fans, it's crazy.

He was kicked out of Boston and may get the boot again as soon as this season if (when) the Rockettes underperform in the playoffs.
Usually I'd like Houston to go down in flames, but part of me wonders if it wouldn't be better if they had a good enough playoffs that they don't change course, extend Amen for as much as possible, and pass on Giannis. A post-season reality check may work out better for them in the long run.
 
Amen is almost 2 YEARS OLDER than Castle, also Amen's shooting is irredeemable, Castle is bad but still could improve. I'd say physically Amen is unmatched, but in terms of his defensive impact Steph is close, and I like his chances of improving as a shooter much more. Those factors make a difference in his favor IMO.
I love Amen's upside but man, that 21% on catch and shoot threes is nuts. Steph ain't great at it either, but at 32% on catch and shoot threes you can't play the COVID defense on him with no one within 6 feet like you can Amen. He probably has to get that up to about 30% if he wants to be a max player even with how insane he is defensively and at the rim.
 
I love Amen's upside but man, that 21% on catch and shoot threes is nuts. Steph ain't great at it either, but at 32% on catch and shoot threes you can't play the COVID defense on him with no one within 6 feet like you can Amen. He probably has to get that up to about 30% if he wants to be a max player even with how insane he is defensively and at the rim.
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Usually I'd like Houston to go down in flames, but part of me wonders if it wouldn't be better if they had a good enough playoffs that they don't change course, extend Amen for as much as possible, and pass on Giannis. A post-season reality check may work out better for them in the long run.
IDK I see a lot of downside in trading for Giannis at 32 years old. Athletic bigs all seem to start falling off pretty hard around 33-34 and they start getting injured a lot, which we have seen already this year at age 31 with Giannis. But see David, Shaq, Ewing, and Garnett; none of them aged very well from 33 on. If I'm paying a guy a 35% max under this CBA he needs to be an MVP candidate every year of that deal. You trade for Giannis and most of that contract you're gonna be paying for the guy Giannis used to be. Just a huge downside with the seniority based max contracts.
 
Have noticed Steph increasingly going to a pull-up from 3-10 ft, with great success. Once he gets that fully locked in (and he looks well on his way) that's going to be another huge weapon in his bag.

He's less efficient at the rim than Amen, but I think that's because he was relying to heavily on getting a foul call when it wasn't really there. He'll start replacing those plays with that little paint face up jumper, and both will go up in efficiency. It's going to be a thing of beauty.
 
Usually I'd like Houston to go down in flames, but part of me wonders if it wouldn't be better if they had a good enough playoffs that they don't change course, extend Amen for as much as possible, and pass on Giannis. A post-season reality check may work out better for them in the long run.
I don't see Giannis to Houston happening at all, on Giannis' side, so that's not a concern to me tbh. But yeah, giving a max to Amen is best case scenario for us. Though they didn't give one to Sengun, and tend to be "stingy"/savvy with their contracts (more than the Spurs which is a low bar :st-lol:).... I'm not sure it happens after this season's playoffs. He was awful in the last game against us, and we didn't even try so hard to expose the dude
 
Have noticed Steph increasingly going to a pull-up from 3-10 ft, with great success. Once he gets that fully locked in (and he looks well on his way) that's going to be another huge weapon in his bag.

He's less efficient at the rim than Amen, but I think that's because he was relying to heavily on getting a foul call when it wasn't really there. He'll start replacing those plays with that little paint face up jumper, and both will go up in efficiency. It's going to be a thing of beauty.
Assisted% is the key stat here.
39% of Castle's rim attempts are assisted, Amen is at 56%, which is 17% more and the FG% difference is 8%.
I can't find the FG% for just unassisted shots anywhere, but I think FG% it would be pretty close on those.
 
Could it be that we found our kawhi 2014 tbh? A better ball handler and passer than kawhi for all good measure
 
These numbers don't reflect just how much more skilled Stephon is offensively compared to Amen. When you see Castle play, you see a true offense initiatior, granted still an extremely raw one, but you can see the blueprint is there. It is easy to see him as the engine of an offense because of how much he has on his bag as a ballhandler, finisher and playmaker. Amen is just much more gimmicky and depends on others to get his. He doesn't have the skillset to be a "head of the snake" type player, like Castle.
 
IDK I see a lot of downside in trading for Giannis at 32 years old. Athletic bigs all seem to start falling off pretty hard around 33-34 and they start getting injured a lot, which we have seen already this year at age 31 with Giannis. But see David, Shaq, Ewing, and Garnett; none of them aged very well from 33 on. If I'm paying a guy a 35% max under this CBA he needs to be an MVP candidate every year of that deal. You trade for Giannis and most of that contract you're gonna be paying for the guy Giannis used to be. Just a huge downside with the seniority based max contracts.
I don't think the comparisons are great, David Robinson and Shaq had serious chronic injuries (Giannis had a string of muscle issues but not to that level) so I'd expect him to age a bit more gracefully than them; on the other hand, KG was very effective well into his late 30s (until he was traded to Brooklyn, basically) but his game wasn't as reliant on athleticism as Giannis'. Regardless, I will not dispute the notion that Giannis isn't likely to have a lot of prime left, which is why I wouldn't want the Spurs to trade for him.

With that said, I also wouldn't want Houston to trade for him because, even if their window would be short (2/3 years), a Giannis + Durant + competent core isn't something I'd love to go through in the playoffs, and they could get him cheap enough (not many competitive offers around so they could potentially snag him for Amen + picks) that there would still be assets to surround him well. I'd rather have Houston go all in on their current core and do just barely well enough to keep the hope alive and double down on their guys.
 
Houston going from up-and-coming youngsters to old SOB's with Durant and Giannis in the matter of two off-seasons would be wild. I'd fully expect Giannis to miss 40 games if this happened as a clear message from the Basketball Gods that you aren't supposed to do this.
 
I think Wemby should add a mid range from the elbows like Robinson did when we added Duncan. David was able to float to the top or elbow of the key face up and shoot. People forget how mobile the admiral was before the back issues late in his career.
?? Wemby has that already…
 
Houston going from up-and-coming youngsters to old SOB's with Durant and Giannis in the matter of two off-seasons would be wild. I'd fully expect Giannis to miss 40 games if this happened as a clear message from the Basketball Gods that you aren't supposed to do this.
I don’t think anything they do now matters. When the basketball gods gift you 4 consecutive top 4 draws and you don’t come away with a franchise player on any one of them, you’re just fucked.
 
I love Amen's upside but man, that 21% on catch and shoot threes is nuts. Steph ain't great at it either, but at 32% on catch and shoot threes you can't play the COVID defense on him with no one within 6 feet like you can Amen. He probably has to get that up to about 30% if he wants to be a max player even with how insane he is defensively and at the rim.
The twins are just bigger versions of Matisse Thuybull. I just don’t ever see them finding an offensive bag. Just back off and take away their driving angles.

Fuckers make Sochan look like Curry.
 
I don’t think anything they do now matters. When the basketball gods gift you 4 consecutive top 4 draws and you don’t come away with a franchise player on any one of them, you’re just fucked.
What was it, Jalen Green, JBS Jr, Amen, and Sheppard? Yikes. People complain about us not landing picks in the teens and twenties. These are all bad misses. Three of them aren't really bad players, but very limited and mostly role players.
 
The thing is, when we’ve missed on guys like Primo or Sochan, they’ve been big swings in the 9 or later picks, because we didn’t have The Guy yet. Houston was taking swings like that with top 4 picks in Green and Amen. Both OTE and the GLI were waiting rooms for kids who didn’t want to be coached in college to waste a year not being developed.

Trade back a few spots in 23, and grab Cason Wallace, a complete player from a high level program. Oh, but his anthropomorphics weren’t off the charts at the combine. Guess what? He’s leading the NBA in steals this year at 2.1, more that either if the supposed premium defender Thompsons. He can shoot the ball, too, and run the point.
 
Best records in the west / all stars:
  1. OKC: SGA, Chet
  2. Spurs: Wemby
  3. Denver: Jokic, Murray
  4. Houston: Durant, Sengun
  5. Lakers: Luka, LeBron
  6. Minny: Ant
  7. Phoenix: Booker
  8. GSW: Steph
  9. Clippers: Kawhi
  10. Portland: Avdija
They can't name a third all star from teams much worse than the Spurs and give them just one, so I guess Reaves is out, I'm not sure anyone on the rest of the teams deserves it more than Castle, so if there is one more all star reserve, it has to be him IMO.

With that said: is it in the Spurs best interest that he be named an all star this year? it'd likely mean he's not taking any non max extension next year...
 
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