Player The blessed howl's moving Castle of Stephon Javonte

[scott]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018498003594588422

+6.2 with just Steph and Wemby

Each PG solo with Wemby:

Player	Minutes	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Fox	123	16.68	120.16	103.47
Castle	253	6.42	118.36	111.94
Harper	93	33.19	126.74	93.55

+6.42 is still very good... and there is no reason to be mad at that... but there is a lot of evidence that suggests the team flows better with Fox or Harper as primary ball handler (in addition to the simple eye test). Let's just use Castle properly?

PG Combos with and without Wemby:

On	Off	Min	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Wemby	Castle, Fox, Harper	27	-37.17	107.27	1444.44
Wemby, Castle, Fox	Harper	328	+1.98	117.9	115.92
Wemby, Castle, Harper	Fox	101	+34.02	120.28	86.26
Wemby, Harper, Fox	Castle	82	+20.72	121.3	100.58
Fox	Wemby, Castle, Harper	363	+6.35	123.02	116.67
Castle, Fox	Wemby, Harper	225	-0.08	116.08	116.16
Harper	Wemby, Castle, Fox	203	+0.14	121.43	121.29
Castle, Harper	Wemby, Fox	175	-5.62	103.59	109.21
Harper, Fox	Wemby, Castle	162	-5.96	113.19	119.15
Castle	Wemby, Fox, Harper	113	+10.06	114.64	104.58
All 4	-	90	-4.30	107.53	111.83
Castle, Fox, Harper	Wemby	13	-19.29	110.71	130.00
All 4	-	6	-14.29	100.00	114.29

• Thought it was interesting how both Fox and Castle manage to lead successful lineups by themselves, on pretty decent sample size. Hopefully this is noticed by our staff for non-Wemby minutes.
• I don't have the data to back this up, so take this with a grain of salt, but my recollection (which may be incorrect) is that Castle defers to Harper a lot more as the primary ball handler when they share the court versus when he shares with Fox. To me that confirms my hypothesis that things just run more smoothly with Fox or Harper as lead ball handler, but that may actually just be confirmation bias. I'm not sure how to go about pairing up the right data to look at this...
• Wemby should never be on the court without one of these guys, sheesh
• Hydra lineup sample size is small but has been largely ineffective offensively thus far

 

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019065391054827533

 

[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019065391054827533

Between Castle/Wemby/Harper, we should be near the top of the league in FTA for the foreseeable future tbh...Castle/Wemby have already proven to be great in that area, and Harper profiles as the type that should be getting 6-8 FTA per game as well. Legitimate chance that those 3 alone could be averaging close to 25 FTA per game in a year or two.

 

[spursistan]

He's flawed 21-yo sophomore, but hard to question this kid's heart especially when he's wrecking havoc off-ball and on D.

 

[1kangaroo]

Each PG solo with Wemby:

Player	Minutes	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Fox	123	16.68	120.16	103.47
Castle	253	6.42	118.36	111.94
Harper	93	33.19	126.74	93.55

+6.42 is still very good... and there is no reason to be mad at that... but there is a lot of evidence that suggests the team flows better with Fox or Harper as primary ball handler (in addition to the simple eye test). Let's just use Castle properly?

PG Combos with and without Wemby:

On	Off	Min	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Wemby	Castle, Fox, Harper	27	-37.17	107.27	1444.44
Wemby, Castle, Fox	Harper	328	+1.98	117.9	115.92
Wemby, Castle, Harper	Fox	101	+34.02	120.28	86.26
Wemby, Harper, Fox	Castle	82	+20.72	121.3	100.58
Fox	Wemby, Castle, Harper	363	+6.35	123.02	116.67
Castle, Fox	Wemby, Harper	225	-0.08	116.08	116.16
Harper	Wemby, Castle, Fox	203	+0.14	121.43	121.29
Castle, Harper	Wemby, Fox	175	-5.62	103.59	109.21
Harper, Fox	Wemby, Castle	162	-5.96	113.19	119.15
Castle	Wemby, Fox, Harper	113	+10.06	114.64	104.58
All 4	-	90	-4.30	107.53	111.83
Castle, Fox, Harper	Wemby	13	-19.29	110.71	130.00
All 4	-	6	-14.29	100.00	114.29

• Thought it was interesting how both Fox and Castle manage to lead successful lineups by themselves, on pretty decent sample size. Hopefully this is noticed by our staff for non-Wemby minutes.
• I don't have the data to back this up, so take this with a grain of salt, but my recollection (which may be incorrect) is that Castle defers to Harper a lot more as the primary ball handler when they share the court versus when he shares with Fox. To me that confirms my hypothesis that things just run more smoothly with Fox or Harper as lead ball handler, but that may actually just be confirmation bias. I'm not sure how to go about pairing up the right data to look at this...
• Wemby should never be on the court without one of these guys, sheesh
• Hydra lineup sample size is small but has been largely ineffective offensively thus far

I am a big Castle fan and I don't think he should be primary he should be a secondary ball handler

 

[Paramore]

 

[Raven_]

Each PG solo with Wemby:

Player	Minutes	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Fox	123	16.68	120.16	103.47
Castle	253	6.42	118.36	111.94
Harper	93	33.19	126.74	93.55

+6.42 is still very good... and there is no reason to be mad at that... but there is a lot of evidence that suggests the team flows better with Fox or Harper as primary ball handler (in addition to the simple eye test). Let's just use Castle properly?

PG Combos with and without Wemby:

On	Off	Min	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Wemby	Castle, Fox, Harper	27	-37.17	107.27	1444.44
Wemby, Castle, Fox	Harper	328	+1.98	117.9	115.92
Wemby, Castle, Harper	Fox	101	+34.02	120.28	86.26
Wemby, Harper, Fox	Castle	82	+20.72	121.3	100.58
Fox	Wemby, Castle, Harper	363	+6.35	123.02	116.67
Castle, Fox	Wemby, Harper	225	-0.08	116.08	116.16
Harper	Wemby, Castle, Fox	203	+0.14	121.43	121.29
Castle, Harper	Wemby, Fox	175	-5.62	103.59	109.21
Harper, Fox	Wemby, Castle	162	-5.96	113.19	119.15
Castle	Wemby, Fox, Harper	113	+10.06	114.64	104.58
All 4	-	90	-4.30	107.53	111.83
Castle, Fox, Harper	Wemby	13	-19.29	110.71	130.00
All 4	-	6	-14.29	100.00	114.29

• Thought it was interesting how both Fox and Castle manage to lead successful lineups by themselves, on pretty decent sample size. Hopefully this is noticed by our staff for non-Wemby minutes.
• I don't have the data to back this up, so take this with a grain of salt, but my recollection (which may be incorrect) is that Castle defers to Harper a lot more as the primary ball handler when they share the court versus when he shares with Fox. To me that confirms my hypothesis that things just run more smoothly with Fox or Harper as lead ball handler, but that may actually just be confirmation bias. I'm not sure how to go about pairing up the right data to look at this...
• Wemby should never be on the court without one of these guys, sheesh
• Hydra lineup sample size is small but has been largely ineffective offensively thus far

very interesting. I'd say this matches the eye test, even if the minutes are too low to make any serious analysis. What seems to be clear, is that nobody can save the triple pg lineups and that wemby is the defense, only him. The fact that the best lineup is the youngest one, makes me think we should have traded for giannis if we could have, as long as those 3 are kept.

 

[bozhemoi]

Each PG solo with Wemby:

Player	Minutes	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Fox	123	16.68	120.16	103.47
Castle	253	6.42	118.36	111.94
Harper	93	33.19	126.74	93.55

+6.42 is still very good... and there is no reason to be mad at that... but there is a lot of evidence that suggests the team flows better with Fox or Harper as primary ball handler (in addition to the simple eye test). Let's just use Castle properly?

PG Combos with and without Wemby:

On	Off	Min	NetRtg	ORtg	DRtg
Wemby	Castle, Fox, Harper	27	-37.17	107.27	1444.44
Wemby, Castle, Fox	Harper	328	+1.98	117.9	115.92
Wemby, Castle, Harper	Fox	101	+34.02	120.28	86.26
Wemby, Harper, Fox	Castle	82	+20.72	121.3	100.58
Fox	Wemby, Castle, Harper	363	+6.35	123.02	116.67
Castle, Fox	Wemby, Harper	225	-0.08	116.08	116.16
Harper	Wemby, Castle, Fox	203	+0.14	121.43	121.29
Castle, Harper	Wemby, Fox	175	-5.62	103.59	109.21
Harper, Fox	Wemby, Castle	162	-5.96	113.19	119.15
Castle	Wemby, Fox, Harper	113	+10.06	114.64	104.58
All 4	-	90	-4.30	107.53	111.83
Castle, Fox, Harper	Wemby	13	-19.29	110.71	130.00
All 4	-	6	-14.29	100.00	114.29

• Thought it was interesting how both Fox and Castle manage to lead successful lineups by themselves, on pretty decent sample size. Hopefully this is noticed by our staff for non-Wemby minutes.
• I don't have the data to back this up, so take this with a grain of salt, but my recollection (which may be incorrect) is that Castle defers to Harper a lot more as the primary ball handler when they share the court versus when he shares with Fox. To me that confirms my hypothesis that things just run more smoothly with Fox or Harper as lead ball handler, but that may actually just be confirmation bias. I'm not sure how to go about pairing up the right data to look at this...
• Wemby should never be on the court without one of these guys, sheesh
• Hydra lineup sample size is small but has been largely ineffective offensively thus far

The sooner the team can get rid of Fox, the better. He's simply not good enough, especially in today's NBA. His time was some years ago. It was good picking him up on the fly, but he's more than expendable, and doesn't bring nearly enough value to lineups now that he's going to kick into a max contract. Unfortunately we can't move him yet, due to him forcing his way here, and after that teams may not want his contract at all.

The optimal is Harper pushing forward and into the starting lineup as he develops and we say goodbye to Fox.

 

[scott]

The sooner the team can get rid of Fox, the better. He's simply not good enough, especially in today's NBA. His time was some years ago. It was good picking him up on the fly, but he's more than expendable, and doesn't bring nearly enough value to lineups now that he's going to kick into a max contract. Unfortunately we can't move him yet, due to him forcing his way here, and after that teams may not want his contract at all.

The optimal is Harper pushing forward and into the starting lineup as he develops and we say goodbye to Fox.

But then what would you have to bitch and moan about?

 

[Correct Crusader]

The sooner the team can get rid of Fox, the better. He's simply not good enough, especially in today's NBA. His time was some years ago. It was good picking him up on the fly, but he's more than expendable, and doesn't bring nearly enough value to lineups now that he's going to kick into a max contract. Unfortunately we can't move him yet, due to him forcing his way here, and after that teams may not want his contract at all.

The optimal is Harper pushing forward and into the starting lineup as he develops and we say goodbye to Fox.

You're gonna have Fox for the next 5 years and you're gonna like it.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

I'll have the Wemby/Castle/Harper platter with a side of CB and Champ.

Bench Unit: Fox, Vassell, KJ, 2026 FA, and Kornet.

Reserves/Development: Barnes, 2026 1st, 2026 2nd

 

[LeBowen]

Fox will be judged on his playoff performance. We'll have to wait a couple more months to see how it goes.
If he's not the clear second best player on the team, then some questions have to be asked.
Even if he plays horribly for the rest of the season, we can easily get positive value for him from the likes of Minnesota/Miami/Houston next summer.
But if he underperforms in the playoffs, we stick with him and he still doesn't get back to the expected level next season, then we'll have a negative asset on our hands.

I'm one of the biggest Fox believers in here and I still think most of his issues are on Mitch not building the guard play around him, but we don't need Fox on a max contract if he can't constantly play on the level he was playing early in the season.
There's no need for panic yet, but Mitch needs to figure something out because Fox has scored 20+ just twice over the past 13 games.

 

[kxs783]

I agree. He is a good combo guard but we have two better offensive initiatiors and we elect to use him instead. Makes no sense to ask him to be the POA defender and to shoulder creation duties on offense. Wtf did we trade for Fox for?

He can't shoot. You don't want Fox or Harper driving and kicking out to him do you? He becomes useless on offense if you do that. At least with the ball in his hands, he stays engaged and active.

 

[Neuromancer]

He can't shoot. You don't want Fox or Harper driving and kicking out to him do you? He becomes useless on offense if you do that. At least with the ball in his hands, he stays engaged and active.

Fox and Harper can't shoot either though and they're both better offensive initiatiors

 

[frenchfred]

The sooner the team can get rid of Fox, the better. He's simply not good enough, especially in today's NBA. His time was some years ago. It was good picking him up on the fly, but he's more than expendable, and doesn't bring nearly enough value to lineups now that he's going to kick into a max contract. Unfortunately we can't move him yet, due to him forcing his way here, and after that teams may not want his contract at all.

The optimal is Harper pushing forward and into the starting lineup as he develops and we say goodbye to Fox.

Fox is here a minimum of 2-3 years while Castle and Harper improve. With Fox on the roster and Castle and Harper not playing as much, we might not have to max them out and then you can trade Fox looking for other role players

 

[spurraider21]

i've been a pretty loud critic of some of Castle's shortcomings this year, but if the talk about a 21 year old second player is "humph, hes not quite good enough to be the #2 on a contender right now" then i'd say he's in a pretty damn good place.

i do think he should scale his game down a bit, but man, just think if he continues to round out the rough edges of his game, what he will look like in 2-3 years

 

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Castle was a +27 in a bench role last night. Interesting.....

 

[Mugen]

I frankly trust him more in the clutch shooting those 3s tbh.

Elite POA defender, championship pedigree from college, playmaking abilities, and certified dawg. You don't trade those guys tbh.

 

[bozhemoi]

Meanw

Castle was a +27 in a bench role last night. Interesting.....

And Fox was the only negative on the team. Other than McLaughlin in four minutes and a rare miss from Keldon.

 

[bozhemoi]

Fox is here a minimum of 2-3 years while Castle and Harper improve. With Fox on the roster and Castle and Harper not playing as much, we might not have to max them out and then you can trade Fox looking for other role players

Yeah, we're stuck with him for that timespan. (If we have him for five, lol, we're done for, and Wemby is back in France or LA.)

The problem with Fox is that he cannot play point guard very well and he's not really a great scorer anymore. Oh, and he's an okay defender when he's switched on, but gets burned falling asleep.

Rather, those are fairly small problems (big, big, BIG problems when you start paying this player the max). The hideous problem is that he's going to start stalling Harper's development. It's clear right now that we can't play all three. If Harper improves, then he's going to be better than Fox really soon. Then... you bring Fox off the bench? Or what?

 

[bozhemoi]

And, LMAO, you guys can downvote me or whatever the fuck, but I'm right.

 

[kxs783]

Fox and Harper can't shoot either though and they're both better offensive initiatiors

Fox is shooting 35% from 3 this season. I think he has a much better chance of making shots than those 2 who are shooting around 25% from 3. This is why you see a lot of Fox/Castle, Harper/Fox combo on the court together and not so much Harper/Castle. These guys need to kick out to Fox. Fox doesn't need to be the main initiator for this reason and this reason alone. If we get rid of Fox, you'll really see how bad our backcourt is.