Player The blessed howl's moving Castle of Stephon Javonte

Castle's jumpshot development over the next few yrs will determine whether or not he can be an all star caliber player

a 3 ball would be perfect, but even and taking taking open mid range shots, and adding floater can take his game to the next level

right now all he does is put his head down to the paint which doesnt quite work against players stronger than him and/or teams who scheme and pack the paint

Not taking those mid-range shots is the darn key to anything for him right now. He's been absolutely stupid to have abandoned that shot. It's the only thing that might give him the career/player path he thinks he can become. Since he's not a good three point shooter, he should have been focusing on those shots when he can't get to the rim. He either tries to bully his way to the rim and he just can't finish anymore or take a three pointer. He should be taking mid-range shots. That's the easiest shot to take, yet he abandoned it completely.

Forget about jumpshot, his finishing at the rim is the biggest issue and it's not all about the defenses adjusting.
He's missing a lot of layups he was making with ease.
Last season 50% 2pt FG.
This season up until Christmas 62% 2pt FG.
Since Christmas 40% 2pt FG.

That's not just about defenses daring him to shoot.

Why is that, though, surely it's not because he's just in a slump. It seems teams aren't letting him get away with bullying them and drawing fouls on them as much as they were. It seems to be they've adjusted and he hasn't. Maybe he's been in a bit of a slump finishing wise near the rim, but if that is all it is, Mitch needs to change up what he's telling him to do out there.

it's because teams have adjusted to put bigger wings on him and he has no counter. He should be out there mismatch hunting and only attack smaller players who he can bully, but instead he does the same thing everytime no matter who's on him. We all know it's mostly on Mitch.

It seems to me like he's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Obviously some of it is true, but he went from going straight at the best defenders and biggest rim protectors to not being able to finish any contested layups.

Then we go back to pounding the rock mentality, Mitch is going to ruin him if he keeps on insisting Castle continues playing the same way.

I really don't know if it's a slump near the rim, as yes, he was finishing better earlier in the season against big defenders, but he's looked shockingly bad after teams started adjusting. Don't know if this coincides with the hand injury? Anyway remember exactly when that hand injury happened?

I agree with you, if this keeps going, he very well could get ruined. They've got to change something up. Can't just keep letting him do the same thing while getting the same results. It's starting to lean towards insanity.


most notably SGA. apparently evan mobley, caris levert and others.

I'm all for castle's guy sticking up for him on twitter but I just hope it isn't something that's spilling into the locker room and becoming "a thing," so to speak.

it's perfectly OK if castle doesn't become the primary ball handler/creator. we have a max salary PG that we brought in to do just that, NOW. we traded for fox while we already had castle....I was always under the assumption that fox was going to be the primary ball handler. we also have harper who's better at being the primary creator.

castle just has to play within the flow of the game, keep playing great D, keep getting to the line..all this extra stuff that's leading to turnovers and just straight up ineffective play is hurting the team a ton.
Guard Whisperer also said Castle's thumb injury is bothering him. Which makes it that more baffling that Mitch let's him play on the ball as much. I mean if you want him out there for defense just play him off the ball more.

I wonder what extent his hand injury is affecting him. I want to know, but they can't come out and say publicly as the opponents can use it against him and makes things harder on him if it really isn't in good shape.

As far as shooting the ball goes, my take is, if he can grip the ball/stabilize it OK with his left hand when he's taking a jumper, then it should have minimal impact shooting the ball (it's the shooting hand that plays the biggest difference by far), but for someone like him that is not a good shooter to begin with, maybe it could have more of an impact. For a good shooter, I don't think it'd have than much of an effect if you can still hold the ball properly while taking your shot.
I don't know as far as dribbling goes, I don't know how it's affecting him there with those components (that wasn't my game to be able to comment on that). If it is hurting, I would think/guess it'd have a bigger impact dribbling and passing wise than shooting. I also wonder if the hand injury is affecting his finishing near the rim? If he can't hold the ball as well when he's getting hit to finish through contact like he was doing earlier in the season? That very well could be having an effect near the rim.

Interesting that Olin has jumped in. When I watched those videos in the off-season/early season, it feels like Olin is really putting stuff in his head about him becoming a Superstar player. It was sounding a bit delusional to me. I'd rather he just develop naturally rather than constantly being told he's an all-star/superstar level player, or that he's getting close to it. TGW really needs to cool it on that stuff, but IMO, it's too late to turn back now after he's filled his head with all that stuff.
 
If his thumb is actually a factor in this recent stretch, this is one of those occasions where the much maligned Spurs medical team should actually spare the player (and team) from themselves. Of course Castle is going to want to play through it, but this early in his career this stretch is doing more harm than good. Castle is nowhere close to fully formed, just hate seeing him play this badly.
 
Ive been wondering about his thumb injury and if its having a big effect on him. He really hasn't seen the same as he was early in the season. Especially with his finishing around the rim. I don't have stats to back it up but I feel like that has taken a big step back
 
Yeah, I don't know what is going on. Does anyone remember when the injury happened? Does that coincide with this last 15 game stretch where he hasn't played well?

Like LeBowen said, I find it hard to believe they'd let him play with a broken thumb when they're sitting guys for any minor ailment. I hope it's not a selective thing and they're letting Castle play while sitting others for minor things.

I do respect that Castle always wants to play, though. Basically, the exact opposite of Kawhi in that regard.

SGA still uses him, iirc.

That's interesting. I didn't think SGA would still be working with him. Didn't think he'd really need to at this point of his career.
 
Fox played most of last year with a finger injury including the time he was with the Spurs before they shut him down after Wemby got hurt.

Its possible that whatever hes dealing with isnt at risk of getting worse but is all about pain management.
 
If he has a broken thumb he needs to be shut down. Either way, him being the primary ball handler and forcing Fox to be a offball player is not working that well. Not particularly enamored with Castle as much as some others here. He's the guy I would be shopping for an upgrade while his value is still high
 
Fox played most of last year with a finger injury including the time he was with the Spurs before they shut him down after Wemby got hurt.

Its possible that whatever hes dealing with isnt at risk of getting worse but is all about pain management.
Yeah, most likely it won't get worse and that is why he's allowed to play. But if he's playing this bad because of it, it might have been wise to sit him to let it heal (that is, if it can heal with sitting a little bit of time). If it's a like a Fox situation where it'll be there all season, then I guess it's his choice whether or not to play, and Steph won't sit (I think we all know that). The coach also shouldn't have him playing lead guard if it's affecting him that much.
 
I doubt they’d tape up a broken thumb. Probably a soft tissue injury like a sprain. Still painful, and would still affect his handles.
 
I'm actually fairly close to breaking out an Anti-Castle avatar, if for no other reason than my Anti-Dev avatar is undoubtedly the main reason for his success this year (no really, it is... there is no denying this, trust me).

@LeBowen might need your help.
 
I'm actually fairly close to breaking out an Anti-Castle avatar, if for no other reason than my Anti-Dev avatar is undoubtedly the main reason for his success this year (no really, it is... there is no denying this, trust me).

@LeBowen might need your help.
I was thinking about making a #freeHarper avatar with him locked up and Mitch as a prison guard, but I'll give it a couple more games. :st-lol:
 
I doubt they’d tape up a broken thumb. Probably a soft tissue injury like a sprain. Still painful, and would still affect his handles.
It’s a thumb UCL sprain IIRC. The ligament that’s at the inner aspect of your thumb knuckle (the one closest to all your other fingers).

It’s definitely something that can get worse but it’s not life altering or anything if it does tear, Harper tore his (forgot which hand) and had surgery before the season
 
The finger thing…it probably distracts him which makes his output worse, but it’s not medically risky so he gets to keep playing…with bad output.

This feels like there’s just no one on the conference call to say “hey, what’s the point of castle if he’s a worse version of himself because we didn’t use the season to heal him before the playoffs?”

I guess it’s maybe a thing where surgery shuts him down for the season at this point? So you just take discount castle over no castle at all?

If that is the case, stop pretending that he’s some veteran that can’t be displaced and start the other guy who isn’t injured. Why are we being deferential to a 21 year old.
 
If he doesn’t pick up his play soon I guess we will get to see if Mitch has any cajones whatsoever and changes something up. I just want to see a move.

There is plenty of blame to go around for our offense falling off a cliff but as far as players go Castle is suspect #1.
 
I really think if Castle wasn't beset with PG duties he could really blossom in the Jimmy Butler mold similar to VJ Edgecomb. Hopefully after the ASB they make Fox the full time PG and make Castle an off ball slasher. Castle can resume his PG development next season.
 
@scott @mo7888 looks like Castle is 31.8% on catch and shoot threes and 17.1% on pull up threes this year. So 31.8% is pretty bad but looks like my hunch was right that shot selection is the biggest problem (not that sub 35% catch and shoot isn't a major problem also).



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Then again Steph's catch and shoot three point percentage last year was 30.3%, so not a ton of improvement in it in year 2.
 
@Kick-Stand @mo7888

Here is some info I could find.

Castle is 34/107 (31.8%) on C&S 3s this season and 6/35 (17.1%) on Pull-Up 3s (however the NBA defines these things).

There is another page (here: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1642264/shooting) that breaks down shooting a little differently and here is how Steph's numbers look here:

Jump Shot - 36/109 (33%)
Pullup Jump Shot - 1/21 (4.8%)
Running Jump Shot - 1/4 (25%)
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot 0/1 (IDK what this even means, tbh)
Step Back Jump Shot - 2/9 (22.2%)

Thought it was pretty interesting to compare our various players strengths and weaknesses in 3P shooting. I was surprised by Wemby's Pull Up 3 numbers, not because I thought they were great or anything... but I didn't think they were this bad. He has some highlight step back 3s that stand out in my memory that probably obscure some of the terrible ones. It's obvious that some of these guys should eliminate the pull up 3 from their game.

PlayerC&S AttemptsC&S %Pull Up AttemptsPullup %
Fox9832.711937.8
Vassell18938.13435.3
Harper6827.92213.6
Barnes200363135.5
Champ27738.32934.5
Keldon12240.21442.9
Castle10731.83517.1
Wemby9445.75324.5
 
@Kick-Stand @mo7888

Here is some info I could find.

Castle is 34/107 (31.8%) on C&S 3s this season and 6/35 (17.1%) on Pull-Up 3s (however the NBA defines these things).

There is another page (here: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1642264/shooting) that breaks down shooting a little differently and here is how Steph's numbers look here:

Jump Shot - 36/109 (33%)
Pullup Jump Shot - 1/21 (4.8%)
Running Jump Shot - 1/4 (25%)
Running Pull-Up Jump Shot 0/1 (IDK what this even means, tbh)
Step Back Jump Shot - 2/9 (22.2%)

Thought it was pretty interesting to compare our various players strengths and weaknesses in 3P shooting. I was surprised by Wemby's Pull Up 3 numbers, not because I thought they were great or anything... but I didn't think they were this bad. He has some highlight step back 3s that stand out in my memory that probably obscure some of the terrible ones. It's obvious that some of these guys should eliminate the pull up 3 from their game.

PlayerC&S AttemptsC&S %Pull Up AttemptsPullup %
Fox9832.711937.8
Vassell18938.13435.3
Harper6827.92213.6
Barnes200363135.5
Champ27738.32934.5
Keldon12240.21442.9
Castle10731.83517.1
Wemby9445.75324.5
Yeah I hate Wemby's pull up threes unless he just rejected the fuck outta someone. Those always seem to go in, but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me like Bushwick and I'm just remembering the highlights. I figured Wemby's pull up percentage this year was going to be awful since he largely cut down on them hard early in the year but has shot them nonstop in his recent cold streak. Hard to believe at one point his rookie year that he was Curry level above 40% on pull up threes.

Ugh Dylan's shooting is way more concerning to me than Steph's tbh. IIRC he was over 40% on catch and shoot threes at Rutgers and I never expected him to be the kind of liability Steph is from the three. Plus Dylan has been playing passive as fuck which is IMO much worse than Steph making young and dumb mistakes forcing things. I miss the Dylan Harper we saw in 2025 who could hit an open three and was great finding shooters through traffic. I know he's in there somewhere but he seems to have no confidence right now.
 
Ha, you just beat me to it!
Yeah sorry I had you do my research. But my hunch about the shot selection being an enormous problem makes me think maybe I'm not so crazy to still be nipples hard sprung on Steph's upside.
 
Yeah I hate Wemby's pull up threes unless he just rejected the fuck outta someone. Those always seem to go in, but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me like Bushwick and I'm just remembering the highlights. I figured Wemby's pull up percentage this year was going to be awful since he largely cut down on them hard early in the year but has shot them nonstop in his recent cold streak. Hard to believe at one point his rookie year that he was Curry level above 40% on pull up threes.

Ugh Dylan's shooting is way more concerning to me than Steph's tbh. IIRC he was over 40% on catch and shoot threes at Rutgers and I never expected him to be the kind of liability Steph is from the three. Plus Dylan has been playing passive as fuck which is IMO much worse than Steph making young and dumb mistakes forcing things. I miss the Dylan Harper we saw in 2025 who could hit an open three and was great finding shooters through traffic. I know he's in there somewhere but he seems to have no confidence right now.
I wonder if those post-rejection 3s we are thinking of are classified as C&S, since they usually find him as a trailer. I thought I saw somewhere (though I'm skeptical) that he's 5/5 on those post-block 3s this year.

Dylan I'm willing to give a little more of a pass to because he's a rookie who clearly hit the wall and just now seems to be shaking it off. Plus, we've not exactly given him the kind of PT and opportunity I'd expect from a #2 overall pick. It's really pretty frustrating.
 
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