Player The blessed howl's moving Castle of Stephon Javonte

Because 85% of the NBA players are not willing to do the job to get there. It is like any job, you have some people who just do their job and those who work more and excel. Adding the fact that most of them are young millionaires with a lot of temptation around them, it is easy to see most of them not putting the work in. Kobe training consisted in making 1000 shots a day, not taken, made. I bet that most NBA players are probably doing one or two tenth of that. Of course, the mechanic has to be good, that's why having a good shooting coach is important. And at the end, you are right, some players won't develop no matter what they do; let's hope for us that Castle is not in that category
You know this how? As someone else here already said, that seems like a rather unlikely theory. Players who make the NBA have usually dedicated most of their lives to basketball. Do you really think a lot of players get to the NBA and the suddenly decide to stop working on their games? I don't doubt for a second that Kobe was extremly dedicated, but I think that most NBA players are not fundamentally different. Kobe being an exception is just a media and fan myth, in my opinion.
And no, being an NBA player really is the exact opposite of any job, that's why so few people (get to) do it.
 
You know this how? As someone else here already said, that seems like a rather unlikely theory. Players who make the NBA have usually dedicated most of their lives to basketball. Do you really think a lot of players get to the NBA and the suddenly decide to stop working on their games? I don't doubt for a second that Kobe was extremly dedicated, but I think that most NBA players are not fundamentally different. Kobe being an exception is just a media and fan myth, in my opinion.
And no, being an NBA player really is the exact opposite of any job, that's why so few people (get to) do it.
It is human nature to have some "just" do their job and other do more. Some surgeons will study and work more and become better surgeons while others will stay in their safe lane, it is human nature. I don't think that athletes are any different. Some players get a rep as gym rats from other players, that clearly means that they are working more than others. I'm not saying that the vast majority doesn't train, I say that they probably do what's being asked of them and don't go overboard.

Shooting is pure mechanics (plus learning how to handle pressure) as opposed to court vision, athleticism...which depend more on natural skills. So, getting better at shooting requires a lot of shooting to correct over time the mistakes in positioning every single part of the body.
 
Gone are the days where kids can get into the league based purely by winning the genetic lottery.

With millions of dollars at stake, the pool of young talent became so big that natural talent won’t be able to overcome laziness. Even a guy like wiseman or even Bol Bol work way more than most people could imagine.

Then additionally the game has now changed to a more skills based league and those are valued highly. Some guys are more coordinated than others but without working around the clock nobody can pick up those skills and schemes.

Someone would have to be generationallynatjletic to overcome laziness nowadays.
 
It is human nature to have some "just" do their job and other do more. Some surgeons will study and work more and become better surgeons while others will stay in their safe lane, it is human nature. I don't think that athletes are any different. Some players get a rep as gym rats from other players, that clearly means that they are working more than others. I'm not saying that the vast majority doesn't train, I say that they probably do what's being asked of them and don't go overboard.

Shooting is pure mechanics (plus learning how to handle pressure) as opposed to court vision, athleticism...which depend more on natural skills. So, getting better at shooting requires a lot of shooting to correct over time the mistakes in positioning every single part of the body.
It’s not pure mechanics, though. That’s assuming every shot is from the same spot with the same line of sight to the basket with the same amount of time to shoot.

These guys hit everything in practice. Even the bad ones. But when you have to improvise by even 1%. A foot off your favorite spot…a hand in your face…a slight change to your balance - that’s when you need world class coordination and muscle control to make ultra fine adjustments. It’s almost at a subconscious level. Some guys can just do it. Others will never get there.
 
It is human nature to have some "just" do their job and other do more. Some surgeons will study and work more and become better surgeons while others will stay in their safe lane, it is human nature. I don't think that athletes are any different. Some players get a rep as gym rats from other players, that clearly means that they are working more than others. I'm not saying that the vast majority doesn't train, I say that they probably do what's being asked of them and don't go overboard.

Shooting is pure mechanics (plus learning how to handle pressure) as opposed to court vision, athleticism...which depend more on natural skills. So, getting better at shooting requires a lot of shooting to correct over time the mistakes in positioning every single part of the body.
What's your take on Castle's shooting?
 
What's your take on Castle's shooting?
I'm not an expert by any means but when I compare his shooting to other players who are considered pure shooters like Curry, I feel that Castle looks less fluid, he looks to be planting his feet more into the ground especially when shooting 3s. I feel that he had a pretty good mid-range at the beginning of the season but is now either trying to get to the rim or shoot 3s. But I feel that his mechanics are not bad, he needs to practice more
 
It’s not pure mechanics, though. That’s assuming every shot is from the same spot with the same line of sight to the basket with the same amount of time to shoot.

These guys hit everything in practice. Even the bad ones. But when you have to improvise by even 1%. A foot off your favorite spot…a hand in your face…a slight change to your balance - that’s when you need world class coordination and muscle control to make ultra fine adjustments. It’s almost at a subconscious level. Some guys can just do it. Others will never get there.
I agree but that's why players try to go to their spots during games and hopefully have a coach who knows them.

I think that the muscle control to deal with situations you are describing comes from practice, you try to bring your body back to the best shooting stand as possible. Players practice with a hand in their face, coming off screens, being pushed...But yes some players are naturals and others are not.
 
You know this how? As someone else here already said, that seems like a rather unlikely theory. Players who make the NBA have usually dedicated most of their lives to basketball. Do you really think a lot of players get to the NBA and the suddenly decide to stop working on their games? I don't doubt for a second that Kobe was extremly dedicated, but I think that most NBA players are not fundamentally different. Kobe being an exception is just a media and fan myth, in my opinion.
And no, being an NBA player really is the exact opposite of any job, that's why so few people (get to) do it.
Yeah, for as bad as Jeremy's shot looks it doesn't strike me as the result of Jeremy being a lazy sack of shit. The guy looks to be in peak physical condition that doesn't just come from good genes. He just suffers the unfortunately malady of not having any shooting skill whatsoever.
 
The idea that every NBA player who puts in enough time will be at least an average shooter is weird to me. It's just basically illogical. If it were true, around 85 percent or so NBA players would be at least average shooters, but they aren't. So far, the indicators for Castle's shooting are not great. I know, I know, he has this dog in him and this great mentality and yada yada yada, but has he displayed any kind of shooting touch?
I'm not sure forcing him into being the lead guard/main creator is the best thing for his development right now.

Because 85% of the NBA players are not willing to do the job to get there. It is like any job, you have some people who just do their job and those who work more and excel. Adding the fact that most of them are young millionaires with a lot of temptation around them, it is easy to see most of them not putting the work in. Kobe training consisted in making 1000 shots a day, not taken, made. I bet that most NBA players are probably doing one or two tenth of that. Of course, the mechanic has to be good, that's why having a good shooting coach is important. And at the end, you are right, some players won't develop no matter what they do; let's hope for us that Castle is not in that category

I agree with what both you guys have said. It can be a combination of both, but as someone who can shoot the ball, I truly do believe you need to have some touch. I had poor form the first time I ever shot the ball, and still had bad form while I was learning to shoot, but I had good feel/touch for shooting and shots were still going in, so it became easier and easier once I developed better form. I don't know what it feels like for someone shooting the ball that doesn't have a feel for it. It must feel weird. It feels natural and pure to me.

You're dead right about Kobe too. He took a ton of shots during practice and that was made shots, not attempted shots. He really worked his ass off to get the skills he had. Players these days probably do work hard. I'd say in previous eras you might have had guys that didn't practice their shooting as much or overall worked as hard (case in point, on the 2008 US Olympic team or 2006 World Championships - Stars like Lebron, Wade thought they were working hard, but after seeing Kobe work, they realized they're not working hard enough), but I'd say there is still others that work just as hard even now, some of the previous eras, I'd guess not. Still, even now, not everyone puts in the exact same amount of time and work on improving. And sometimes, it doesn't matter how hard you work on it and try, some players just can't be good/great shooters. For example, I don't believe Jeremy is lazy or anything and that hurts to see him struggling as I'm sure he's tried hard to improve and that he's worked his ass off to become a good shooter, but it just hasn't happened for him so far.

And as someone else said, shooting in a game is completely different. The pressure, the close outs, having to adjust your shot on the fly, then there is also the mental game of being left wide open and putting pressure on yourself to hit that wide open shot. It ain't easy if you're thinking about all those things and you can get in your own head. The trick is to not think about it at all, for it to be automatic, have zero conscience when shooting it. Trust all the reps you put in when training/practicing and have it be automatic in games. Some people can just adjust on the fly in games too, but that's just their personal body control and feel for shooting/instinct taking over, just automatically happening.

Steph can't shoot for shit. If he doesn't start turning this around soon and start hitting some shots, his confidence is going to slide from the looks of it.
 
Pretty jarring to to see Castle unable to get by Yves fucking Missi tonight. Also jarring to watch Castle and Harper (Fox too for that matter) get worse as the season goes along.
 
I’m back on the trade Castle bandwagon. Him for Lauri. Add in salary filler. Who says no?
 
Castle's jumpshot development over the next few yrs will determine whether or not he can be an all star caliber player

a 3 ball would be perfect, but even and taking taking open mid range shots, and adding floater can take his game to the next level

right now all he does is put his head down to the paint which doesnt quite work against players stronger than him and/or teams who scheme and pack the paint
 
Forget about jumpshot, his finishing at the rim is the biggest issue and it's not all about the defenses adjusting.
He's missing a lot of layups he was making with ease.
Last season 50% 2pt FG.
This season up until Christmas 62% 2pt FG.
Since Christmas 40% 2pt FG.

That's not just about defenses daring him to shoot.
 
Forget about jumpshot, his finishing at the rim is the biggest issue and it's not all about the defenses adjusting.
He's missing a lot of layups he was making with ease.
Last season 50% 2pt FG.
This season up until Christmas 62% 2pt FG.
Since Christmas 40% 2pt FG.

That's not just about defenses daring him to shoot.

wonder how much of it is the thumb.

castle's shooting coach (guard whisperer) and ty jager were getting into it on twitter last night. seems like his camp is defensive of fans calling out his recent slump/preference to have fox lead the team in terms of PG/play setter.

I don't disagree tbh....castle needs to get right and fox needs to do what we're paying him so much money to do. another lost opportunity tonight to try to catch the 1 seed...
 
Forget about jumpshot, his finishing at the rim is the biggest issue and it's not all about the defenses adjusting.
He's missing a lot of layups he was making with ease.
Last season 50% 2pt FG.
This season up until Christmas 62% 2pt FG.
Since Christmas 40% 2pt FG.

That's not just about defenses daring him to shoot.
it's because teams have adjusted to put bigger wings on him and he has no counter. He should be out there mismatch hunting and only attack smaller players who he can bully, but instead he does the same thing everytime no matter who's on him. We all know it's mostly on Mitch.
 
it's because teams have adjusted to put bigger wings on him and he has no counter. He should be out there mismatch hunting and only attack smaller players who he can bully, but instead he does the same thing everytime no matter who's on him. We all know it's mostly on Mitch.
Obviously some of it is true, but he went from going straight at the best defenders and biggest rim protectors to not being able to finish any contested layups.

Then we go back to pounding the rock mentality, Mitch is going to ruin him if he keeps on insisting Castle continues playing the same way.
 
wonder how much of it is the thumb.

castle's shooting coach (guard whisperer) and ty jager were getting into it on twitter last night. seems like his camp is defensive of fans calling out his recent slump/preference to have fox lead the team in terms of PG/play setter.

I don't disagree tbh....castle needs to get right and fox needs to do what we're paying him so much money to do. another lost opportunity tonight to try to catch the 1 seed...

Something to keep an eye on
 
Can remind me again which great players are also under the guard whisperer?
 
Good on Ty Jager for calling out the poor play and how it’s hurting the team.

A 5 game slump for your primary ball handler is acceptable, 10 game slump is concerning but you can live with it, a 15 game slump requires a change before you start to sabotage your season.

Also the guard whisperer (lol corny ass name) response of cherry picking one game against the Bucks is weak, as is telling Ty Jager to “delete your account”, as is blaming injuries.
 
Can remind me again which great players are also under the guard whisperer?

most notably SGA. apparently evan mobley, caris levert and others.

I'm all for castle's guy sticking up for him on twitter but I just hope it isn't something that's spilling into the locker room and becoming "a thing," so to speak.

it's perfectly OK if castle doesn't become the primary ball handler/creator. we have a max salary PG that we brought in to do just that, NOW. we traded for fox while we already had castle....I was always under the assumption that fox was going to be the primary ball handler. we also have harper who's better at being the primary creator.

castle just has to play within the flow of the game, keep playing great D, keep getting to the line..all this extra stuff that's leading to turnovers and just straight up ineffective play is hurting the team a ton.
 
I’d vote for a trainer that isn’t clipping for Instagram during your session. The GW seems like an unserious operation.
 
Guard Whisperer also said Castle's thumb injury is bothering him. Which makes it that more baffling that Mitch let's him play on the ball as much. I mean if you want him out there for defense just play him off the ball more.
 
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