Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

Neuromancer said:
Really don't think it's a given at all at this point that Castle or Harper will be max extension level players
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Agree. IMO any forecasting of future salary should be putting Castle and Harper in the $20-30M per season range until proven otherwise.

Even Castle with almost two years of data to me looks like he’ll max out to be a 4/$120M or 5/$150M extension player given what I see now from his skills and limitations. That’s with improvements to his shooting to just 30% and getting below the Russell Westbrook TOV% area.

If struggles to crack 30% from 3 and can’t improve his playmaking and TOV% and just makes marginal improvements he’s more likely a 4/$100M guy.
 
scott said:
I made the claim before the season starts, that Castle and Harper will have a hard team earning a max extension as the third and fourth option on the team... and that's looking (to me anyway) to be looking pretty true. You'd have to be an elite C&S sniper like Prime Klay to earn a max deal if Wemby and Fox are getting the usage they should be getting. Right now, we're sacrificing Fox usage for Castle and it's not exactly painting Castle as a max player, but it's still early.

If you add Murphy to this team without trading away Vassell, there is a zero percent chance any of them put up the numbers to justify a max extension. Even if you traded Vassell to make room for Murphy, it would be tough for even two of TMIII/Castle/Harper to earn a max deal. Hell, even if you also traded away Fox and Vassell right now, I think it would be tough for two of TMIII/Castle/Harper to earn a max extension unless one of them broke out as an All Defensive First Teamer (hey, maybe Castle can?)
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Are you paying four firsts for Trey Murphy to come in and put up 14 ppg? That's the scenario I quoted. Either you blew four picks on a role player or you blew four pics on a guy who makes it impossible to bring your young PGs back, in which case you should have traded one of them instead so you still have picks to replenish the supporting cast with cost controlled talent. I still think assuming no major shake ups that Harper ends up the second option within a year or two and Castle's defense will have him at least knocking on the door of a max contract. Fox is who I see losing his numbers; you're already seeing it now with Castle's second year jump.
 
Kick-Stand said:
Are you paying four firsts for Trey Murphy to come in and put up 14 ppg? That's the scenario I quoted. Either you blew four picks on a role player or you blew four pics on a guy who makes it impossible to bring your young PGs back, in which case you should have traded one of them instead so you still have picks to replenish the supporting cast with cost controlled talent. I still think assuming no major shake ups that Harper ends up the second option within a year or two and Castle's defense will have him at least knocking on the door of a max contract. Fox is who I see losing his numbers; you're already seeing it now with Castle's second year jump.
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No.

I've been out on TMIII for a long time for this exact reason. He isn't worth the cost to acquire him for the Spurs (whether he is worth that for another team, I don't know and I don't really care).

Though I would say, if you got TMIII (even if you got him for free) it would be stupid to do so in order for him to be the 4th/5th option behind Castle. It you added TMIII to this team, it should be Wemby 1 Fox 2a TMIII 2b. Not reconfiguring your offense if you acquired TMIII would be stupid... but then again, so is acquiring Fox, maxing him, and then having him play off-ball SG.
 
frenchfred said:
2029 is 3 years from now, you get an opportunity to win titles now with him, Fox and Wemby while having Castle and Harper. And in 2028-2029, you trade Fox if Castle and Harper have developed to the level we want. In 2029 when we need to resign Harper and if everybody is that good, then you trade one of Castle or Harper or even him for draft picks to replenish the supporting cast and run with the three others. The difference between our plans is that I'm not waiting to see if Castle and Harper develop but I'm gambling future picks (if the Spurs continue to be good, the picks are not that great, the only one that has value is the swap this year) for a good player now, while you are hoping that they'll develop into stars and that picks will be used to fill the spots will low salaries. I think that both strategies work.
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How much do you think Murphy adds? He's not gonna put up 22 ppg on a team with this much talent where he's going to be getting the ball a lot less than in New Orleans where he gets to be big fish in a small pond. Trey Murphy is not the difference between the team being what it is now and a title team. That's not coming until Wemby starts becoming a player at the level of SGA, Giannis, or Jokic, and he's not there yet. So now you have given up two of the Spurs best draft picks plus two more for a two year window maybe? If Wemby was the player we saw opening night vs Dallas then whole different scenario but he isn't right now and this is blowing up a carefully constructed future for not a lot of immediate gain IMO.
 
Kick-Stand said:
Are you paying four firsts for Trey Murphy to come in and put up 14 ppg? That's the scenario I quoted. Either you blew four picks on a role player or you blew four pics on a guy who makes it impossible to bring your young PGs back, in which case you should have traded one of them instead so you still have picks to replenish the supporting cast with cost controlled talent. I still think assuming no major shake ups that Harper ends up the second option within a year or two and Castle's defense will have him at least knocking on the door of a max contract. Fox is who I see losing his numbers; you're already seeing it now with Castle's second year jump.
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I'm the one who was suggesting the trade. For me, I play Murphy 32 minutes instead of 35 when he comes to SA meaning that we have to find 14 shot attempts. He takes all of Barnes/Sochan 8.5-10 and the others from Vassell (he is shooting too much for me, he needs to be more like Champagnie or KJ). Assuming that Castle and Harper are max contract (which is not guaranteed) , in 2028-2029 we need to trade Fox no matter what (Murphy or not), which frees 59 millions. In 2029 when we need to resign Harper and assuming that Castle, Murphy and Harper are all max worthy, then we trade one of them for picks.
 
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Kick-Stand said:
Can't say I'm at all interested in making any big trades when Wemby / Fox / Castle / Harper have already shown themselves to be a matchup nightmare for OKC, and OKC is the measuring stick for whether this team can win titles. Not to mention the Spurs are loaded with good draft assets like the 26 ATL swap, 27 ATL, 30 DAL swap, and 31 SAC swap to keep replenishing the team's supporting cast with cost controlled talent, which is absolutely critical when Castle and Harper are making market value money instead of rookie scale. The Spurs are sitting in an incredible situation right now and are probably best served by small tweaks here and there, like maybe an MLE level PF.
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This is where I'm at too. I don't think the Spurs need a "splash" trade. They did that last season with Fox. They just need to shore up either some outside shooting or a rebounder... I don't think it will be easy or realistic to find someone who does both. At this point, I'd rather they find a consistent 3 point shooter. When the 3's are hitting, the team is unstoppable and it opens everything up.
 
scott said:
No.

I've been out on TMIII for a long time for this exact reason. He isn't worth the cost to acquire him for the Spurs (whether he is worth that for another team, I don't know and I don't really care).

Though I would say, if you got TMIII (even if you got him for free) it would be stupid to do so in order for him to be the 4th/5th option behind Castle. It you added TMIII to this team, it should be Wemby 1 Fox 2a TMIII 2b. Not reconfiguring your offense if you acquired TMIII would be stupid... but then again, so is acquiring Fox, maxing him, and then having him play off-ball SG.
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Agreed he'd be option #3 and Castle would need to slide to #4. But can't get him for free and would instead need to pay what would be an exorbitant price for a third option who could very well be the modern day version of Antoine Carr (great stats on a bad team for people who aren't old AF like the two of us lol).
 
Kick-Stand said:
How much do you think Murphy adds? He's not gonna put up 22 ppg on a team with this much talent where he's going to be getting the ball a lot less than in New Orleans where he gets to be big fish in a small pond. Trey Murphy is not the difference between the team being what it is now and a title team. That's not coming until Wemby starts becoming a player at the level of SGA, Giannis, or Jokic, and he's not there yet. So now you have given up two of the Spurs best draft picks plus two more for a two year window maybe? If Wemby was the player we saw opening night vs Dallas then whole different scenario but he isn't right now and this is blowing up a carefully constructed future for not a lot of immediate gain IMO.
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I think that he puts 18-20 if he replace Barnes/Sochan + some shots from Vassell. Murphy is shooting 49% from the field, Barnes is at 43% and Vassell at 42% so he adds more efficiency in the shots being taken. He is also a better rebounder than Barnes and better defender. He will make 27 millions next year same as Vassell.
 
Kick-Stand said:
Agreed he'd be option #3 and Castle would need to slide to #4. But can't get him for free and would instead need to pay what would be an exorbitant price for a third option who could very well be the modern day version of Antoine Carr (great stats on a bad team for people who aren't old AF like the two of us lol).
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We got the Big Dawg for Dwayne Schintzius and a late SRP. Antoine averaged 20.1ppg for SAC the prior season.

So that would be like sending out Bismack and a late SRP for...? I'd be down for a trade like that in a heartbeat, but I'm not sure there is anyone out there biting :st-lol:
 
I asked ChatGPT to give me a list of players that the Spurs should trade for... because I'll admit, I don't watch much basketball any more outside of the Spurs. The wife and kids would put my head on a platter if I devoted more time to it. lol First name on the list was John Collins. We're never gonna escape him. :st-lol:
 
FiestaSpurs said:
I asked ChatGPT to give me a list of players that the Spurs should trade for... because I'll admit, I don't watch much basketball any more outside of the Spurs. The wife and kids would put my head on a platter if I devoted more time to it. lol First name on the list was John Collins. We're never gonna escape him. :st-lol:
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ROFL I asked ChatGPT who should be the west allstar reserves and at first it looked pretty good

Here’s who should be chosen (in no particular order):

Anthony Edwards — G (Minnesota Timberwolves)
Elite scoring and efficiency with great shooting splits — solid All-Star credentials again this season.

Jamal Murray — G (Denver Nuggets)
Having his best season and keeping Denver afloat when Jokic sits makes him too good to leave out.

Kevin Durant — F (Houston Rockets)
Still one of the most efficient scorers in the league, and Rockets are in playoff contention with him leading the way.

Devin Booker — G (Phoenix Suns)
Great all-around numbers and Suns’ success deserve an All-Star representative.

Chet Holmgren — F/C (Oklahoma City Thunder)
Thunder’s defense and eye-popping efficiency are real, and his impact is All-Star-worthy.

Deni Avdija — F (Portland Trail Blazers)
Breakout versatile stat line (points, boards, assists) and strong fan voting support strengthen his case.

Alperen Şengün — C/F (Houston Rockets)
Consistent double-double threat and playmaking big, good choice for depth.
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But then it had to write this shit :ROFLMAO:

💭 Honorable Mentions / Bubble Cases

These players are worthy but should be next in line if coaches want to balance positions or reward defense/impact:

De’Aaron Fox — G (Sacramento Kings) — strong stats, but team performance might hurt him.

Kawhi Leonard — F (LA Clippers) — elite two-way talent when healthy.

LeBron James — F (Lakers) — legendary status might still earn a nod, but production is down.

James Harden — G (LA Clippers) — career résumé is strong, though this season’s numbers are borderline.
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FiestaSpurs said:
It's fun being on this side of the rumor mill.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015275413925175683
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You know usually when a few people start talking about this stuff, it’s bc someone in the players orbit is putting trial balloons up. I dont think this is about the Spurs, but I could see the start of a broader convo about Steph’s future outside of San Fran. That situation is bleak, and the clock is ticking for Steph.
 
FiestaSpurs said:
I asked ChatGPT to give me a list of players that the Spurs should trade for... because I'll admit, I don't watch much basketball any more outside of the Spurs. The wife and kids would put my head on a platter if I devoted more time to it. lol First name on the list was John Collins. We're never gonna escape him. :st-lol:
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I ran it through Gemini and it said TM and start him at pf
 
mo7888 said:
I ran it through Gemini and it said TM and start him at pf
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I asked Chatgpt to return the answer in photo form and it gave me this


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Ice009 said:
Personally, I want Klay (I've mentioned him before). People are likely to say he's washed up and doesn't play much defense anymore, but I'm still interested. I feel he could really open up the floor, and I feel he's someone that might be able to give the young guys some shooting tips they can take with them for the rest of their careers.
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Yes, but also spurs don't have to worry about cap space until season after next, when he expires. And he plays a role we need.
 
Spurs will be near the luxury tax by next season, not 2029. They will be in trouble by 2027, so whatever contract over 25 million that you trade for, will be a huge issue in 1.5 seasons. And that's not worth multiple firsts. The best big swing deals out there are MPJ, Wiggins and Santi Aldama. All three contracts expire in 2027 and if you could get one of those with the ATL 2027 and expirings you might pull the trigger (although Spurs won't trade for a podcaster anyway).
 
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