Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[mo7888]

Agree. I'm not married to the idea. But AD is usually the guy being counted on by his team. With Wemby and Fox we can afford to make sure he's healthy and all he has to do is focus on defense. As long as he is healthy for the playoffs he would greatly raise this teams ceiling. But I understand it's a huge gamble and may not be worth the price

Theoretically, I love the idea of a healthy AD next to Wemby, but 1) he's never healthy and 2) it's hard to see them moving him yet because he was the only good Luka asset unless it's for a pretty big overpay. If they would move him for cheap to start over, then sure, but it's not realistic.

 

[bozhemoi]

A lot of distressed assets out there with teams dead in the water with them. I expect they'll wind up just shuffling them around in some manner. They're too expensive and problematic in various ways.

 

[LeBowen]

Theoretically, I love the idea of a healthy AD next to Wemby, but 1) he's never healthy and 2) it's hard to see them moving him yet because he was the only good Luka asset unless it's for a pretty big overpay. If they would move him for cheap to start over, then sure, but it's not realistic.

New GM won't care about the mess created by the previous front office.
I'd consider AD if his contract was just this and the next season, but it's all the way up until 2028 and that's just one year too many, even though we could manage the money.
AD at 80% of our peak level would make us a top3 team in the league, tbh.

 

[Shmurs]

I'm glad you actually did google 'calculus' , but now you've made me doubt you actually know what an idiom is as well

Making a bit less of a portion of the cap doesn't say anything, in fact even saying the percentages themselves doesn't say anything, unless you've got the entire league's payroll in your head to compare against. Saying he's a bit overpaid now and a bit less overpaid tomorrow is a lot different than saying exactly how his contract ranks now in the league and an estimate of it'll rank throughout his duration, and how that affects the cap going forward. For reference, the 17%+ he's making now hurts the Spurs less than the 13.1% he'll make in 3/4 years, as a result of the projected rookie extensions for Wemby and Castle, and Fox's new contract. I posted a breakdown of this in the salary analysis thread. Bottom line, a bit of nuance does matter if you actually want to put things in perspective, if you don't... just move along.

710 in math, top calculus student in high school and my business school in the 2 semesters it was mandated. Was 25 years ago but I still think I remember a thing or two.

 

[BatManu20]

Giving up multiple assets and gutting our depth for AD would be insane. Dude literally cannot stay healthy and he's only getting older and he still has 3 years/nearly $170M left on his Max Deal (yuck). Hard fucking pass tbh.

 

[Mugen]

710 in math, top calculus student in high school and my business school in the 2 semesters it was mandated. Was 25 years ago but I still think I remember a thing or two.

Is this Mr. Body? It is, isn't it?

 

[scott]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

 

[scott]

Personally I’m on team “no trade” right now. Still need to figure out exactly what rotations will look like when everybody is healthy and up to speed.

Fox looks healthy but doesn’t seem integrated at all yet. Fox possessions largely seem separated from the rest of the offense. Will take some time given he didn’t participate actively in camp or practices with the main squad. On the plus side his 3 point stroke looks really smooth

We don’t have excess picks anymore so we have to be very selective with how those assets are used. Have to have a much better read on the roster to identify what precise move is THE one to make.

While 8-2 is better than i could have hoped for, it still doesn’t feel quite right. Other than the raptors and mavs games, none of the wins have really felt clean. second pelicans game was until the late collapse. So I’d also like to be sure we are on the cusp of contention before pulling such a trigger

Seconded. The only move I would make right now is something like Sochan for Haywood Highsmith. A minor, deep bench move that removes a distraction and gets us a different deep bench player who fits better.

But I like what we have right now.

 

[Ariel]

710 in math, top calculus student in high school and my business school in the 2 semesters it was mandated. Was 25 years ago but I still think I remember a thing or two.

It's all good man, I'm not trying to be a dick so I'm dropping this here. Moving on.

 

[bozhemoi]

Is this Mr. Body? It is, isn't it?

Schmurs definitely is not.

 

[CGD]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

I found your TM3 threads premature then, but I’m fully onboard now. I don’t view it as replacing Devs contract but rather upgrading the position with better size and production. I believe Dev has actually been quite good this season, which may be an unexpected bonus for trade talks.

Not sure what the Steppian (?) picks rules are but giving NOLA Atlanta’s picks (or swap rights) could help them save some face too after the deals they made to land Queen.

 

[Area 51.247]

Personally I’m on team “no trade” right now. Still need to figure out exactly what rotations will look like when everybody is healthy and up to speed.

Fox looks healthy but doesn’t seem integrated at all yet. Fox possessions largely seem separated from the rest of the offense. Will take some time given he didn’t participate actively in camp or practices with the main squad. On the plus side his 3 point stroke looks really smooth

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While 8-2 is better than i could have hoped for, it still doesn’t feel quite right. Other than the raptors and mavs games, none of the wins have really felt clean.

This. Worse, Swipa's interjection seemed to give others the freedom to free lance. Was rough watching one and dones there in the middle of the game when the Bulls stampeded into a good lead.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

710 in math, top calculus student in high school and my business school in the 2 semesters it was mandated. Was 25 years ago but I still think I remember a thing or two.

I remember a thing or two about calulus too, within limits.

 

[Ariel]

Not sure what the Steppian (?) picks rules are but giving NOLA Atlanta’s picks (or swap rights) could help them save some face too after the deals they made to land Queen.

Stepien rule establishes that teams cannot be without first round picks for two years in a row (moving forward, what you did in the past doesn't matter). Since Spurs have first round picks every year moving forward, they can trade picks in any year just not both their 26 and 27 picks because they no longer have extra picks either year.

 

[Davidicus]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

More players - can you explain? We played 12 players last night, probably a true 10-man rotation when Dylan returns.

TM3’s skills, age, and contract…why not go for something like that to coincide with Wemby competing now and long term.

 

[CGD]

More players - can you explain? We played 12 players last night, probably a true 10-man rotation when Dylan returns.

TM3’s skills, age, and contract…why not go for something like that to coincide with Wemby competing now and long term.

I think he’s concerned about the long game and having to pay building block guys like Steph and Harper once Wemby’s deal isn’t cheap anymore. Getting off Dev with smaller deals make them either more movable later or can get us some spot production at areas of need.

I personally think that will resolve by moving Fox in 18 months but we’ll see.

 

[LeBowen]

More players - can you explain? We played 12 players last night, probably a true 10-man rotation when Dylan returns.

Out of those 12 Olynyk and Waters won't be regular rotation members.
In here we already moved past Sochan and Barnes is 33.
If Devin is being moved, we're down to 8 players including Harper.
Out of those 8, Keldon and Champ aren't exactly high end players.

Wemby, Fox, Castle, Harper is the unquestionable core.
Kornet is an unquestionable high end backup.
Bryant will hopefully become a core player in a couple of years.
That's just 6, with 4 possibly being on max or near max contracts.
The rest of the roster will have to be filled with cheaper deals.

Unless Devin makes a major leap, he'll be gone before Castle's extension kicks in.

 

[thiste]

Giving up multiple assets and gutting our depth for AD would be insane. Dude literally cannot stay healthy and he's only getting older and he still has 3 years/nearly $170M left on his Max Deal (yuck). Hard fucking pass tbh.

And one good eye

 

[CGD]

Dev & Keldon are definitely playing like they know there days are numbered here. It’s just simple math.

 

[Neuromancer]

Is this Mr. Body? It is, isn't it?

I haven't seen him use the phrase pissbaby yet

 

[bozhemoi]

I haven't seen him use the phrase pissbaby yet

Or catty bitches.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

TM3 makes so much sense for us it hurts. Barnes and Sochan plus assets works. CB fills the void this season, and then go out and get a strong PF in the offseason.

Problem is I just don’t know what NO wants to do these days, maybe clearer by trade deadline.

it was said last season that they want 3 firsts. Maybe 2 could get it done if you can sell them on Sochan being the 9th pick and Dumars somehow falls for it, but at that point NOLA would want to blow it up and I don't see that happening since the Hawks own their pick. Although they should probably do it, cause that roster is a mess.

 

[Shmurs]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

TMIII would be the last move we can do, and then we’d have to think about who to dump in a trade pretty soon. Not ideal, agreed.

But I’m willing to ditch Devin for a rental. I don’t know what’s out there but if there’s length and shooting out there for similar money, just go ahead and do it, and then if you lose the player in this offseason or next, oh well. Devin’s not a very good asset - on the team or in a trade. It’s ok to call him a decent pick with a bad contract and then move on without any kind of replenishment. Sometimes you just spend money on a rental

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Ideally we add 1 high level wing and give up not more than 2 firsts. We'll need our picks to maneuver the cap problems we'll have later down the line to reload. I kinda like the Wiggins idea. Spurs gotta wait and see who becomes available. I think they would like to play out the season, but Olynyk's expiring can be pretty valuable in a trade and then there's Sochan too. I doubt Barnes is going anywhere.

 

[scott]

TMIII would be the last move we can do, and then we’d have to think about who to dump in a trade pretty soon. Not ideal, agreed.

But I’m willing to ditch Devin for a rental. I don’t know what’s out there but if there’s length and shooting out there for similar money, just go ahead and do it, and then if you lose the player in this offseason or next, oh well. Devin’s not a very good asset - on the team or in a trade. It’s ok to call him a decent pick with a bad contract and then move on without any kind of replenishment. Sometimes you just spend money on a rental

Definitely not against moving Devin for a shorter term rental. To me that still enables the team to do what it needs to do long-term (which is turn Devin's salary into multiple players). That doesn't need to happen for another year after this one, but it does need to happen at some point (which is why TMIII doesn't necessarily work - because you'd have to do the same with him as his contract runs the same lengths as Devin's, and is higher). But the Spurs could actually afford to trade Devin into a higher salary so long as that salary expired next year.