Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[spurraider21]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

How did it feel watching him hang 40 on us lol

 

[PanameSpur]

How did it feel watching him hang 40 on us lol

A very efficient 40...

 

[DAF86]

As the person who started optimistic "There is TM3 to the Spurs buzz" threads now on TWO different websites, and as being an early TMIII booster... even I need to admit that the TMIII dream died the moment our ping pong ball landed us #2. Getting another Top 4 pick just changes the way we need to build the team. I'm not upset about it, I'm stoked to have Dylan. But we need to acknowledge that it kind of eliminates us from the TMIII game. We need to not be trying to replace Devin's salary with someone else on the same deal... we need to turn that salary into multiple players.

I think the guy that will inevitably end up being traded for multiple pieces is Fox. If everything goes according to plan with Castle and Harper, he has to be the one to go. For multiple reasons.

 

[scott]

How did it feel watching him hang 40 on us lol

Like watching your HS crush go on to become a supermodel... at first you're like "oh man the one that got away" but then you realize "wait a second, she never really liked me anyway"

 

[Ariel]

Like watching your HS crush go on to become a supermodel... at first you're like "oh man the one that got away" but then you realize "wait a second, she never really liked me anyway"

I feel worse about Deni Avdija than I do about TMIII.

 

[mo7888]

The long term salary implications of trading Dev for TM (or anybody else) doesn't really concern me. I hope Castle and Harper turn out to be max players and it creates a good problem to have. We can address that when we know what we have.

 

[DTW]

I wonder if Davis will jump before he gets pushed. Guy has been disrespected by the Mavericks from the word go.

Even though he's still an All-NBA player when in shape and not next to rim running C's, he'd make no sense here. Would cost way too much asset wise/financially for an aging, injury prone star who can't space the floor.

Unless the Spurs do something like Sochan and Olynyk for Patrick Williams, they probably wait in addressing PF until a Fox trade.

 

[Exstatic]

More players - can you explain? We played 12 players last night, probably a true 10-man rotation when Dylan returns.

TM3’s skills, age, and contract…why not go for something like that to coincide with Wemby competing now and long term.

He’s looking ahead, trying to prevent what happened in Denver where everyone picked their championship carcass. At some point, we will need a lot of cheap talent, and if we keep a Devin, or trade him for a like sized contract, that will be harder to do. If you have 4 players you flip Devin for, maybe you lose 2 and keep 2, but if you keep Devin or trade him for TM III, that player easily gets poached, and you have nothing, and no cap room to replace them.

 

[Exstatic]

The long term salary implications of trading Dev for TM (or anybody else) doesn't really concern me. I hope Castle and Harper turn out to be max players and it creates a good problem to have. We can address that when we know what we have.

By then ,it’s too late. You have to plan ahead.

 

[Exstatic]

Dev & Keldon are definitely playing like they know there days are numbered here. It’s just simple math.

No, they are playing their correct roles. That makes a huge difference. They are both better players off ball than on ball, and you’re seeing that play out.

 

[DAF86]

Transforming Fox into TM3 and Herb Jones would be the kind of move that makes all the pieces fall into place. Then you would need to make some minor changes like transforming Sochan into a backup PG and you get a rotation of:

Harper / backup PG
Castle / Vassell
TM3 / Champ (Keldon)
Herb / Barnes(Bryant)
Wemby / Kornet

 

[Exstatic]

How did it feel watching him hang 40 on us lol

Pop always fell into that same trap, loving guys who showed out against us, acquiring them, and having them disappoint. He’s also never getting that many touches here. His best case is 5th at the feed trough.

 

[Exstatic]

As far as some not so great trade options…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988297605517078915

I actually don’t even care about picking the carcass. The last time they rebuilt,they missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, which is 17 straight lottery picks, and we have a 2031 swap from the HB salary dump.

 

[scott]

Two games after Fox signed his extension (and a full year ahead of when it actually kicks in) and Spurs Fans are still trying to trade him.

 

[Ariel]

I actually don’t even care about picking the carcass. The last time they rebuilt,they missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, which is 17 straight lottery picks, and we have a 2031 swap from the HB salary dump.

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and throw these frameworks out there to see what you guys think:
1) Vassell for DDR + Keon Ellis
2) Vassell + Sochan for DDR + Keon Ellis + pick swap
Sacramento gets younger (and dumber), Spurs get salary relief (DDR is only guaranteed for 10 million next season) and a 3&D young vet they can use. Option 2 adds Sochan and gets a pick swap.
Both of these are general frameworks, give or take an asset. To be fair I don't think Spurs do it, they're too enamored with their own players, but I probably would.

 

[Davidicus]

I think the guy that will inevitably end up being traded for multiple pieces is Fox. If everything goes according to plan with Castle and Harper, he has to be the one to go. For multiple reasons.

This is where my heads at. Why would we have 3 PG/Combo guards at max / near max at the same time?

I’m all in on the 3-headed beast right now, and the next 2-3 years. But by 28 or 29, someone’s gotta go.

Why not majorly upgrade DV for TM3 now, while still competing hard with De’Stephlan (trademark) the next few years, and then trade 1 (probably Fox) in 28 or 29 for the said pieces we need for flexibility?

We can use rookie contracts and vet mins to fill in the rest of what space TM3 takes up.

This all assumes a bargain trade for TM3 that MATFO get out of bed for.

 

[Shmurs]

Definitely not against moving Devin for a shorter term rental. To me that still enables the team to do what it needs to do long-term (which is turn Devin's salary into multiple players). That doesn't need to happen for another year after this one, but it does need to happen at some point (which is why TMIII doesn't necessarily work - because you'd have to do the same with him as his contract runs the same lengths as Devin's, and is higher). But the Spurs could actually afford to trade Devin into a higher salary so long as that salary expired next year.

Brooklyn is going to want to be bad all the way pretty soon. They’re flirting with it hard. They’ll bang it soon.

Very simple: Devin and Jeremy for MPJ. He’s a very very good fit into this team’s void. He will expire end of next year but can be moved. The 2 amigos are poor assets that can be converted to a more useful, decent asset.

If anyone is against it because podcasts, they need to have their heads examined.

 

[Arguendo]

TM3 makes so much sense for us it hurts. Barnes and Sochan plus assets works. CB fills the void this season, and then go out and get a strong PF in the offseason.

Problem is I just don’t know what NO wants to do these days, maybe clearer by trade deadline.

Oly + Sochan works too, Barnes has been great and so durable, would rather give up Oly and hope to resign Barnes on the cheap. Doubt NOLA cares unless that $5.5M salary difference cost us a more valuable 1st.

 

[scott]

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and throw these frameworks out there to see what you guys think:
1) Vassell for DDR + Keon Ellis
2) Vassell + Sochan for DDR + Keon Ellis + pick swap
Sacramento gets younger (and dumber), Spurs get salary relief (DDR is only guaranteed for 10 million next season) and a 3&D young vet they can use. Option 2 adds Sochan and gets a pick swap.
Both of these are general frameworks, give or take an asset. To be fair I don't think Spurs do it, they're too enamored with their own players, but I probably would.

I don't want DDR back... I haven't thought about it at all to really think through it... but my Sac fan co-worker said the other day he'd end up back with us and I laughed at him and I don't want to have to walk this back.

 

[Arguendo]

The only theoretical deal that interests me right now is Asa Newell, and he only shows up on my radar because I assume there's a slight chance ATL might want their draft capital back. I'm in the minority, but I'd deal both the swap and the 27 pick back to the Hawks (due diligence pending) for Newell. I view him as a Markannen-type player on a rookie deal. I'd love to bring him in and let him grow up with the rest of the pups.

Wow that seems like a crazy price for a guy that was just draft 23rd, has played 5 games, and played less than 60 NBA minutes.

 

[scott]

Brooklyn is going to want to be bad all the way pretty soon. They’re flirting with it hard. They’ll bang it soon.

Very simple: Devin and Jeremy for MPJ. He’s a very very good fit into this team’s void. He will expire end of next year but can be moved. The 2 amigos are poor assets that can be converted to a more useful, decent asset.

If anyone is against it because podcasts, they need to have their heads examined.

I'm not a huge MPJ fan, but I'm not against this at all. I do think he'd be a good fit.

I'm completely unaware of whatever Podcast controversy in which you speak, so I reserve the right to have a visceral reaction to that

 

[mo7888]

By then ,it’s too late. You have to plan ahead.

If we have 4 allstar type talents I dont believe it will be difficult to move one for parts+space+picks.

 

[scott]

Oly + Sochan works too, Barnes has been great and so durable, would rather give up Oly and hope to resign Barnes on the cheap. Doubt NOLA cares unless that $5.5M salary difference cost us a more valuable 1st.

Is anyone else hoping Black Falcon retires a Spur? I love this guy. Idk what his next deal looks like, but I'm hoping something like 2/12? But he did make ESPN's UFA-to-be All-Star team today, so maybe he's valued more by other teams?

 

[scott]

If we have 4 allstar type talents I dont believe it will be difficult to move one for parts+space+picks.

Very fair point.

 

[Exstatic]

I'm not a huge MPJ fan, but I'm not against this at all. I do think he'd be a good fit.

I'm completely unaware of whatever Podcast controversy in which you speak, so I reserve the right to have a visceral reaction to that

They called out MPJ, for being a black hole, and he basically said he wouldn’t pass to a lesser shooter than himself. If you want to see this in action, pull up the Wemby reel for 13 point in 3 minutes. MPJ totally threw gas on that fire.