Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Ariel]

According to the Ringer's top 100 he's the 86th best player in the league, which means he will get paid accordingly. There will also be a bunch of new contracts handed out, so he'll slide further down the list.

Right now Vassell is the 65th best paid player in the league, that 89th figure is projection in 4 years and using some random site's current list to justify what someone is going to be worth in 4 years sounds kind of silly to me. Also, I don't think that's accurate and I can't care less that the Ringer believes that, but to each their own I guess.

 

[Splits]

Haven't tried it in the trade machine but I wonder if salaries match for Bonner/Blair/Fox/Olynyk/Sochan for TM3 and Lauri in a 3 team deal?

 

[Davidicus]

TM3 makes so much sense for us it hurts. Barnes and Sochan plus assets works. CB fills the void this season, and then go out and get a strong PF in the offseason.

Problem is I just don’t know what NO wants to do these days, maybe clearer by trade deadline.

 

[Neuromancer]

Starting to wonder if we should see what the Mavs are asking for AD. Feels like they might go full fire sale and rebuild around Flagg. AD is obviously a huge question mark given his age and known health issues but it's hard to think of a better PF that the Spurs could possibly acquire. Him and Vic would make for a filthy defensive pairing in the frontcourt. He would almost certainly cost us one of Castle or Harper though.

 

[Mugen]

Starting to wonder if we should see what the Mavs are asking for AD. Feels like they might go full fire sale and rebuild around Flagg. AD is obviously a huge question mark given his age and known health issues but it's hard to think of a better PF that the Spurs could possibly acquire. Him and Vic would make for a filthy defensive pairing in the frontcourt. He would almost certainly cost us one of Castle or Harper though.

Hell No wtf

 

[Ariel]

Starting to wonder if we should see what the Mavs are asking for AD. Feels like they might go full fire sale and rebuild around Flagg. AD is obviously a huge question mark given his age and known health issues but it's hard to think of a better PF that the Spurs could possibly acquire. Him and Vic would make for a filthy defensive pairing in the frontcourt. He would almost certainly cost us one of Castle or Harper though.

I don't think Dallas is getting anywhere near that return, though probably enough to the point it won't make sense for the Spurs.

 

[spurraider21]

TM3 makes so much sense for us it hurts. Barnes and Sochan plus assets works. CB fills the void this season, and then go out and get a strong PF in the offseason.

Problem is I just don’t know what NO wants to do these days, maybe clearer by trade deadline.

Murphy would be quite expensive asset wise. Bane cost 4 firsts. Murphy would probably require at least 3. He’s more valuable than bane imo but i think there will be market corrections

Wiggins would be another really good one. He looks like he’s recovered from whatever funk he was in last year. 5 years older than Murphy but his game has matured quite a bit where i see him aging well. Kind of like how Grant Hill ended up playing a while as a defensive specialist for the Suns into his late 30s

 

[Exstatic]

Can he even be traded since he signed an extension this summer?
I assume he can at the deadline.

They can, but it’s the poison pill, where the incoming and outgoing salaries are different, one represents his year 4 rookie deal, and the other his new salary. Tricky to pull off, usually requires three teams.

 

[Davidicus]

Murphy would be quite expensive asset wise. Bane cost 4 firsts. Murphy would probably require at least 3. He’s more valuable than bane imo but i think there will be market corrections

Wiggins would be another really good one. He looks like he’s recovered from whatever funk he was in last year

With Joe Dumars - ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE

 

[Exstatic]

Starting to wonder if we should see what the Mavs are asking for AD. Feels like they might go full fire sale and rebuild around Flagg. AD is obviously a huge question mark given his age and known health issues but it's hard to think of a better PF that the Spurs could possibly acquire. Him and Vic would make for a filthy defensive pairing in the frontcourt. He would almost certainly cost us one of Castle or Harper though.

I don’t want any player whose nickname is ‘street clothes’. There really isn’t a question of will he be hurt, it’s just when, and how much time will he miss.

 

[Ariel]

Murphy would be quite expensive asset wise. Bane cost 4 firsts. Murphy would probably require at least 3. He’s more valuable than bane imo but i think there will be market corrections

I think you're letting post-trade results influence your evaluation of Bane's pre-trade value, IMO it was: Orlando's offer (overpay) >> Bane's actual value at the time > TMIII value at any time.

I think I'd go as far as Vassell + Sochan + 1 non-elite pick at most.

 

[spurraider21]

As far as some not so great trade options…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988297605517078915

 

[spurraider21]

I think you're letting post-trade results influence your evaluation of Bane's pre-trade value, IMO it was: Orlando's offer (overpay) >> Bane's actual value at the time > TMIII value at any time. I think I'd go as far as Vassell + Sochan + 1 non-elite pick at most.

Then we wouldn’t get Murphy

 

[Shmurs]

Right now Vassell is the 65th best paid player in the league, that 89th figure is projection in 4 years and using some random site's current list to justify what someone is going to be worth in 4 years sounds kind of silly to me. Also, I don't think that's accurate and I can't care less that the Ringer believes that, but to each their own I guess.

I think the issue here is that you think you’re making a novel point. Everyone here already know about the percentage breakdown. It’s an extremely intuitive concept. And it’s constantly mentioned when big contracts are handed out.

What the counter argument is…he’s overpaid today. And then next year he will be overpaid. And then the following year he will be overpaid.

In other words, he’s on a bad contract given his present and forecasted contributions

 

[Mugen]

Gotta love the Kangz looking at the Lavine/Derozan Bulls and thinking I gotta recreate that out here in the West

 

[Ariel]

I think the issue here is that you think you’re making a novel point. Everyone here already know about the percentage breakdown. It’s an extremely intuitive concept. And it’s constantly mentioned when big contracts are handed out.

What the counter argument is…he’s overpaid today. And then next year he will be overpaid. And then the following year he will be overpaid.

In other words, he’s on a bad contract given his present and forecasted contributions

Dude, it's a basketball discussion board, no one is making a novel point here ever... except for maybe you calling percentages calculus. Maybe trying to provide the right context for an opinion at best, which judging by your reply it wasn't so obvious as your 'intuition' clearly missed it.

 

[Shmurs]

Dude, it's a basketball discussion board, no one is making a novel point here ever... except for maybe you calling percentages calculus. Maybe trying to provide the right context for an opinion at best, which judging by your reply it wasn't so obvious as you clearly missed it.

We are not solving for derivatives and integrals. I’m completely aware. But you might want to do a quick search for “idiom”.

We all understand he will take less of a portion of the cap as years pass. We, multiple people, are telling you that his value will go down along with his proportional pay. Hence his perpetual overpayment.

 

[spurraider21]

Personally I’m on team “no trade” right now. Still need to figure out exactly what rotations will look like when everybody is healthy and up to speed.

Fox looks healthy but doesn’t seem integrated at all yet. Fox possessions largely seem separated from the rest of the offense. Will take some time given he didn’t participate actively in camp or practices with the main squad. On the plus side his 3 point stroke looks really smooth

We don’t have excess picks anymore so we have to be very selective with how those assets are used. Have to have a much better read on the roster to identify what precise move is THE one to make.

While 8-2 is better than i could have hoped for, it still doesn’t feel quite right. Other than the raptors and mavs games, none of the wins have really felt clean. second pelicans game was until the late collapse. So I’d also like to be sure we are on the cusp of contention before pulling such a trigger

 

[Neuromancer]

I don’t want any player whose nickname is ‘street clothes’. There really isn’t a question of will he be hurt, it’s just when, and how much time will he miss.

Agree. I'm not married to the idea. But AD is usually the guy being counted on by his team. With Wemby and Fox we can afford to make sure he's healthy and all he has to do is focus on defense. As long as he is healthy for the playoffs he would greatly raise this teams ceiling. But I understand it's a huge gamble and may not be worth the price

 

[spurraider21]

Hard no on AD for me

 

[Kick-Stand]

Haven't tried it in the trade machine but I wonder if salaries match for Bonner/Blair/Fox/Olynyk/Sochan for TM3 and Lauri in a 3 team deal?

Gonna have to throw centerpiece Bogans in to add enough value to get NOP to bite.

 

[Kick-Stand]

As far as some not so great trade options…

Damn was hoping that was an NBACentel post as Sac is such a gold mine to raid.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Starting to wonder if we should see what the Mavs are asking for AD. Feels like they might go full fire sale and rebuild around Flagg. AD is obviously a huge question mark given his age and known health issues but it's hard to think of a better PF that the Spurs could possibly acquire. Him and Vic would make for a filthy defensive pairing in the frontcourt. He would almost certainly cost us one of Castle or Harper though.

Best PG I'd give them is McLaughlin. On second thought, not really. Don't need to be paying a 3 year max contract to Street Clothes.

 

[Ariel]

We are not solving for derivatives and integrals. I’m completely aware. But you might want to do a quick search for “idiom”.

I'm glad you actually did google 'calculus' , but now you've made me doubt you actually know what an idiom is as well

We all understand he will take less of a portion of the cap as years pass. We, multiple people, are telling you that his value will go down along with his proportional pay. Hence his perpetual overpayment.

Making a bit less of a portion of the cap doesn't say anything, in fact even saying the percentages themselves doesn't say anything, unless you've got the entire league's payroll in your head to compare against. Saying he's a bit overpaid now and a bit less overpaid tomorrow is a lot different than saying exactly how his contract ranks now in the league and an estimate of it'll rank throughout his duration, and how that affects the cap going forward. For reference, the 17%+ he's making now hurts the Spurs less than the 13.1% he'll make in 3/4 years, as a result of the projected rookie extensions for Wemby and Castle, and Fox's new contract. I posted a breakdown of this in the salary analysis thread. Bottom line, a bit of nuance does matter if you actually want to put things in perspective, if you don't... just move along.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Personally I’m on team “no trade” right now. Still need to figure out exactly what rotations will look like when everybody is healthy and up to speed.

Fox looks healthy but doesn’t seem integrated at all yet. Fox possessions largely seem separated from the rest of the offense. Will take some time given he didn’t participate actively in camp or practices with the main squad. On the plus side his 3 point stroke looks really smooth

We don’t have excess picks anymore so we have to be very selective with how those assets are used. Have to have a much better read on the roster to identify what precise move is THE one to make.

While 8-2 is better than i could have hoped for, it still doesn’t feel quite right. Other than the raptors and mavs games, none of the wins have really felt clean. second pelicans game was until the late collapse. So I’d also like to be sure we are on the cusp of contention before pulling such a trigger

That's where I'm at, though I am starting to entertain some wild notions about success in *THIS* years playoffs.

The only theoretical deal that interests me right now is Asa Newell, and he only shows up on my radar because I assume there's a slight chance ATL might want their draft capital back. I'm in the minority, but I'd deal both the swap and the 27 pick back to the Hawks (due diligence pending) for Newell. I view him as a Markannen-type player on a rookie deal. I'd love to bring him in and let him grow up with the rest of the pups.

Besides, maybe BWright will legit select a 2nd round prospect if we empty the tank of 1st rounders for 26 and 27, which would be refreshing. At a certain point, and we're nearly there, I'll get more excited about adding second round prosects to the roster than I would be trying to add top-end talent (There's only one ball, salary cap, blah blah)

Helluva closing lineup, circa 2026: Wemby, Newell, Castle, Harper, Fox