Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Ariel]

But is that down to the GM or more on scouting department?

Both? Ultimately I pin it on him because either directly (by making calls) or indirectly (by failing to make changes) he is responsible. I mean, I don't think you'd see Jerry West or Sam Presti or Zach Kleiman not taking ownership for the decisions made, ultimately they make the calls (picks, trades, signings, hirings, etc.).

I've already praised him for showing restraint so this might sound contradictory, but it is kind of telling to me that Spurs never move up or down in the draft. I understand the whole uncertainty aspect of it, you don't want to pay a premium when ultimately it's still a crapshoot anyway, but at least occasionally you should see something. Not saying you should go crazy Memphis style, but I wonder if always letting chips fall where they may doesn't hint to something deeper.

Tre was an amazing SRP.

Certainly good, but if we can't even say confidently we got a pick back for him and you can sign somene of his caliber in free agency for cheap (like say, his own brother), I would not go so far as to call it amazing. That label should be restricted to players you have to pay assets to get.

 

[Exstatic]

For those of you pining for Kuminga, enjoy. He’s like Devin, who is in he 30thpercentile on middies ,not the 80th.

 

[Shmurs]

Positive take on the spurs FO is that wright doesn’t land on the wrong end of trades compared to his peers and pop built a reputation over 2 decades that has given this franchise some lasting degree of respect/command.

It’s difficult to envision this team transforming the proper way over the next 2 years, however. We should be prepared for Vic’s entire first contract to be an exercise in purging the dysfunction of the tank years - when it should pretty much be done by now, given the opportunities of this offseason.

 

[ginobilized]

Positive take on the spurs FO is that wright doesn’t land on the wrong end of trades compared to his peers and pop built a reputation over 2 decades that has given this franchise some lasting degree of respect/command.

It’s difficult to envision this team transforming the proper way over the next 2 years, however. We should be prepared for Vic’s entire first contract to be an exercise in purging the dysfunction of the tank years - when it should pretty much be done by now, given the opportunities of this offseason.

Didn't we purge Collins, Branham, Tre and Blake in one move while adding a top scoring PG? That's formidable and got rid of the bottom 60% of the Power of Friendship squad. Vassell, KJ and Sochan are on the block pending their fit and performance this year.

 

[Shmurs]

Didn't we purge Collins, Branham, Tre and Blake in one move while adding a top scoring PG? That's formidable and got rid of the bottom 60% of the Power of Friendship squad. Vassell, KJ and Sochan are on the block pending their fit and performance this year.

All 4 were sent to Siberia over a year before they were booted off the team. I considered those guys ancillary to the PoF. The 3 amigos ARE the PoF.

We heard credible reports of Sochan being labeled “untouchable” in the Durant situation just a couple months ago. They are not ready to get off these guys.

 

[Exstatic]

Didn't we purge Collins, Branham, Tre and Blake in one move while adding a top scoring PG? That's formidable and got rid of the bottom 60% of the Power of Friendship squad. Vassell, KJ and Sochan are on the block pending their fit and performance this year.

I doubt Vassell is on the block at all. The one thing about the playoffs is that teams care about defense, and won’t let you have the shots you want. That leaves the mid range, where DV is pretty elite.

There’s a reason Playoff Jimmy exists. He’s one of the more elite mid midrange scorers of maybe the last 15 years. Not saying DV will be that, but in the playoffs, you need guys who can get tough mid range buckets and DV is that.

 

[Bruno]

Not a trade target but I would keep an eye on Isaac Bonga. He was really good with Germany this summer and his profile is exactly what Spurs need.

 

[scott]

I'm wondering if Dean Wade may be yet another odd man out in Cleveland. He's on a cheap contract and might add some floor spacing, rebounding and defensive versatility. Might be a trade deadline target in addition to LeBowen's list above.

Dean Wade was one of my target guys going into the offseason when I misread the cap sheet and mistakenly thought he was a free agent. He's very much the mold of PF that we need. Good defensive rebounder (88th percentile crafted DRB), decent shooter (36.8% career 3P), good rim protector (77th percentile crafted Rim Defense) and just good defender overall (97th percentile CraftedDPM).

I have a hard time believing Cleveland is looking to move him, for all of those reasons, though, and only making $6.6MM this season. I don't see why CLE would be looking to move off of him at this moment. He's probably the kind of guy who if he has a good season with them (being a contending team) can earn a Kornet type deal next offseason.

 

[scott]

For those of you pining for Kuminga, enjoy. He’s like Devin, who is in he 30thpercentile on middies ,not the 80th.

Are there people pining for Kuminga? I only see his name mentioned (relative to the Spurs) in places like reddit and X, where novice opinions flow readily. I've not seen a single person who's basketball opinions are halfway decent mention him as an option for us.

 

[BacktoBasics]

Positive take on the spurs FO is that wright doesn’t land on the wrong end of trades compared to his peers and pop built a reputation over 2 decades that has given this franchise some lasting degree of respect/command.

It’s difficult to envision this team transforming the proper way over the next 2 years, however. We should be prepared for Vic’s entire first contract to be an exercise in purging the dysfunction of the tank years - when it should pretty much be done by now, given the opportunities of this offseason.

There are no shortage of examples where teams turnover a roster thinking that they’re improving things only to put themselves in a worse purgatory.

Roster churn out of desperation has fucked so many franchises I’ve lost count.

I prefer a more measured and patient approach.

 

[Shmurs]

There are no shortage of examples where teams turnover a roster thinking that they’re improving things only to put themselves in a worse purgatory.

Roster churn out of desperation has fucked so many franchises I’ve lost count.

I prefer a more measured and patient approach.

The factor at play here, though, is you have a top 5 player in the league effectively playing for free and there was certainly an opportunity to capitalize on that. And if we didn’t capitalize because of a principle of patience and shrewdness, fair enough. If we didn’t capitalize because this front office still believes in Devin and Jeremy, that’s where the line is drawn.

The other thing that made this summer a unique opportunity was the value of each asset they had to play with. The ATL picks are now exponentially less valuable than 6 months ago. Devin is much less valuable, similarly. And Sochan is going to be worth less tomorrow than he is today, to say the least.

i think if we started the season with Fox, Castle, Durant, Barnes and Wemby we’d feel like a real playoff team and nobody would be lamenting what was lost. And all it likely would have cost is 3 depreciating assets and some spare change.

Meh…I get it there will be other moments. But how many guys can you max. Like OKC you need to use rookie scale as a weapon.

 

[Limguoguolo]

Trey Murphy III for Sochan & K. Johnson.

They want to tear everything down so they can rebuild it better. Sochan and Keldon would help them in this quest. And the Spurs would add a tall shooter. They may wait to see if Zion plays. When he gets injured, they'll tank and continue their demolition project.

 

[Ariel]

Trey Murphy III for Sochan & K. Johnson.

They want to tear everything down so they can rebuild it better. Sochan and Keldon would help them in this quest. And the Spurs would add a tall shooter. They may wait to see if Zion plays. When he gets injured, they'll tank and continue their demolition project.

From the Spurs perspective, sure... but I doubt NOs does this, they seem committed to Zion, paid a steep price for Queen and drafted Jeremiah Fears, those seem to be the long term pieces they're building their future around, and the one thing in common they all have is they cannot shoot and need spacing to be effective. Spurs probably need to add a lot more, though it's Dumars and Troy Weaver we're talking about, so who knows.

 

[Shmurs]

Tm III would cost Devin, Jeremy, ATL 1st and at least 1 2nd. He’s good enough that you’d have to give back something painful. I’d like it if we knew more about TMIII in competitive situations. But too many question marks with anyone coming out of NO

 

[Ariel]

Tm III would cost Devin, Jeremy, ATL 1st and at least 1 2nd. He’s good enough that you’d have to give back something painful. I’d like it if we knew more about TMIII in competitive situations. But too many question marks with anyone coming out of NO

I'd do this, the 2027 Atlanta pick is losing value by the minute (maybe add some protections it just to be safe), and we're not sure we want to keep any of the others anyway. There's a roster crunch incoming, getting a good young player that fits is definitely worth it. Only thing I'd be wary of his his knee, he had surgery in NO and it's increasingly common to see recurring problems. Other than that, it's the kind of consolidation trade that Spurs need long term.

 

[Exstatic]

I'd do this, the 2027 Atlanta pick is losing value by the minute (maybe add some protections it just to be safe), and we're not sure we want to keep any of the others anyway. There's a roster crunch incoming, getting a good young player that fits is definitely worth it. Only thing I'd be wary of his his knee, he had surgery in NO and it's increasingly common to see recurring problems. Other than that, it's the kind of consolidation trade that Spurs need long term.

The 27 pick will be the most valuable of the bunch. ATL is playing hardball with Trae, and an unhappy star isn’t what you want. He can also leave next summer, crippling their team just in time to crater, and give us that pick at a nice spot.

 

[Ariel]

The 27 pick will be the most valuable of the bunch. ATL is playing hardball with Trae, and an unhappy star isn’t what you want. He can also leave next summer, crippling their team just in time to crater, and give us that pick at a nice spot.

Yeah, the farthest the pick the higher the variance, which is why I said "maybe add some protections just to be safe". But I also wouldn't want to just dismiss any (potentially good) deals outright because of a mystery box that might just as well end up a pick in the 20s.

 

[scott]

Tm III would cost Devin, Jeremy, ATL 1st and at least 1 2nd. He’s good enough that you’d have to give back something painful. I’d like it if we knew more about TMIII in competitive situations. But too many question marks with anyone coming out of NO

I would do this deal in a heartbeat (I think it would cost more though) and I think it's fair to wonder if TMIII is just another tank commander stat padder. He's also the kind of long term money the Spurs can't really afford to add. He's on roughly the same deal as Devin (though Devin's is flat and his is escalating), and we already need to be looking on how to shed the last two years of Devin's deal IMO (and that part of it really has nothing to do with Devin as a player)

 

[DTW]

Tm III would cost Devin, Jeremy, ATL 1st and at least 1 2nd. He’s good enough that you’d have to give back something painful. I’d like it if we knew more about TMIII in competitive situations. But too many question marks with anyone coming out of NO

I don't even think the Pelicans would do that because they have too many non shooting bigs as is and the Hawks 1st projects as post lottery.

PF is a bigger need than SF for the Spurs anyway, but other than Markkanen, who I'm not sure works cap wise long term and would probably cost one of Castle or Harper, I don't see a solution.

Might sound crazy but I wonder if Harper becomes a trade chip for Boozer or Ament by the draft.

 

[Shmurs]

I don't even think the Pelicans would do that because they have too many non shooting bigs as is and the Hawks 1st projects as post lottery.

PF is a bigger need than SF for the Spurs anyway, but other than Markkanen, who I'm not sure works cap wise long term and would probably cost one of Castle or Harper, I don't see a solution.

Might sound crazy but I wonder if Harper becomes a trade chip for Boozer or Ament by the draft.

Someday maybe it will make sense that we didn’t sign Yabu this summer.

Dude fits every need for this team and was cheap as hell.

 

[LeBowen]

Someday maybe it will make sense that we didn’t sign Yabu this summer.

Dude fits every need for this team and was cheap as hell.

He wanted to play in NY.
Would've been a nice bench piece, but he's another traffic cone on defense.

 

[Kick-Stand]

Tm III would cost Devin, Jeremy, ATL 1st and at least 1 2nd. He’s good enough that you’d have to give back something painful. I’d like it if we knew more about TMIII in competitive situations. But too many question marks with anyone coming out of NO

Where's the painful thing the Spurs would be giving up?

 

[Shmurs]

He wanted to play in NY.
Would've been a nice bench piece, but he's another traffic cone on defense.

Traffic cone…meh. He’s worth 2x what New York paid him. I’m not sure he was being that choosy about where to go.

Yabu and Wemby were a little bit allergic to each other in Paris last summer so maybe the fit is weird. But he seemed pretty gettable and is the right player on paper.

…Mamu should have also been retained but that’s a different story.

 

[DTW]

Someday maybe it will make sense that we didn’t sign Yabu this summer.

Dude fits every need for this team and was cheap as hell.

Even if he'd picked the Spurs, he's a veteran backup.

My guess is they hope they can cobble it together by committee short term and utilize either Fox or Harper to solve it long term.

 

[wemvp]

To me they need to play this first half of the season and see where they are. If everything goes according to plan your big money max stars will be Wembanyama and Harper. Superstar big and PG. Then Castle as a secondary star who is well rounded and defends the perimeter. The rest of the roster will be role players who need to fit in under the cap given those 3 salaries.

For this first half Vassell needs to show he can and will be a plus shooter and decent defender off the bench. If he can't do that then his salary becomes a problem. It would be nice if he does acclimate to that role as it gives time for Harper to develop while giving the bench veteran scoring.