somehow i don't see it lasting .. granted if it does work, and it wont, i'd be very happy, i always prefer taller lineups. The franch vanilla duo was absolutely atrocious defensively in the last game, you just happen not to notice because of all the missed shots and the fact that while their forwards were constantly fuckin up great positioning, ours were basically dunking on them into oblivion, so there's that.
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Yes, but all non Wemby minutes are either with Kornet or without Kornet. So since point 3 is non Wemby but with Kornet, one would assume point 2 would have to be non Wemby and no Kornet. Otherwise it would just be the same scenario as point 3.
That makes point 4 impossible because it too is no Wemby and no Kornet but somehow with different numbers. Either that or point 2 is wrong.
Something seems wrong with the data. Should be checked to see what it is.
Probably so, also to limit the horrendous defensive lineups that don't include Wemby or Kornet.
It's a miracle we only lost 2 games in 7 without Kornet. I think the Spurs ceiling right now is their perimeter defense. It's worst in the league level at the moment, and they won't be able to make a deep playoff run like that. Mitch and his staff's ultimate success on the season will be how well they can improve that perimeter defense between now and April.
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Lineup 2: all possessions without Wemby. Some have Kornet, some do not. 271 total possessions.
Lineup 3: all possessions without Wemby but with Kornet. 93 possessions.
Lineup 4: all possessions without Wemby and without Kornet. 178 possesions.
93 + 178 = 271
We can also recreate the DRTG in Lineup by taking the weighted average of the DRTGs in Lineup 3 and 4.
93/271 = 34.3%
178/271 = 65.7%
(.343 * 112.1) + (.657 * 144.8) = 38.5 + 95.1 = 133.6 (which is roughly what the tweet says for Lineup 2.
Nothing is wrong with the data.
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good to see that the data (very limited, of course) tracks with our expectations
we knew that for the last 2 seasons with sub-par backup center play, non-wemby minutes were a catastrophe. turns out, that's still the case. while that doesnt say a lot about what those backup centers looked like, it also doesnt say much for the rest of the players in our lineup. every other nba team lacks a wemby, but they're not all this disastrous. turns out, this is still the case for us
however... we also loved the kornet signing because he was somebody who offered good defense and rim protection, and therefore we expected that as long as he's the backup, the non-wemby minutes would no longer be catastrophic. and so far... that appears to have been correct. in the 93 possessions (again, very small sample size) without wemby but with kornet, they have held up defensively, and we didnt need kornet to replicate wemby's production of course, just hold up well enough so those minutes are no longer disastrous. so far so good
and finally, if kornet is healthy enough to give us 20 minutes (like he did last game), then unless its late game garbage time, mitch absolutely needs to avoid minutes where neither was on the floor, and there frankly is no good reasonable basis to have these sochan at center minutes. this happened for just a few minutes against the bulls, but those were some catastrophic minutes.
with wemby comfortably playing 34-35 minutes per game, that represents just 13-14 minutes (excluding garbage time, if applicable) of time that need to be earmarked for Luke. and that would still allow for at least 7-8 minutes if you want the french vanilla lineup sprinkled in there as well. but the french vanilla lineup should not come at the cost of dealing with center Sochan minutes
the last resort which mitch might test out, if he intends on having longer french vanilla stints, is having both Olynyk/Sochan on the floor together in those minutes, rather than sochan at center. neither is a rim protector, but maybe their collective size helps just enough? its worth experimenting early in the season. offensively. olynyk provides solid enough spacing and passing ability to work with sochan's limited game on that end. he can still let sochan play "center" on offense in the dunker spot or with cuts. while they might be turd towers defensively, its more size than having just the 1 smaller turd
we knew that for the last 2 seasons with sub-par backup center play, non-wemby minutes were a catastrophe. turns out, that's still the case. while that doesnt say a lot about what those backup centers looked like, it also doesnt say much for the rest of the players in our lineup. every other nba team lacks a wemby, but they're not all this disastrous. turns out, this is still the case for us
however... we also loved the kornet signing because he was somebody who offered good defense and rim protection, and therefore we expected that as long as he's the backup, the non-wemby minutes would no longer be catastrophic. and so far... that appears to have been correct. in the 93 possessions (again, very small sample size) without wemby but with kornet, they have held up defensively, and we didnt need kornet to replicate wemby's production of course, just hold up well enough so those minutes are no longer disastrous. so far so good
and finally, if kornet is healthy enough to give us 20 minutes (like he did last game), then unless its late game garbage time, mitch absolutely needs to avoid minutes where neither was on the floor, and there frankly is no good reasonable basis to have these sochan at center minutes. this happened for just a few minutes against the bulls, but those were some catastrophic minutes.
with wemby comfortably playing 34-35 minutes per game, that represents just 13-14 minutes (excluding garbage time, if applicable) of time that need to be earmarked for Luke. and that would still allow for at least 7-8 minutes if you want the french vanilla lineup sprinkled in there as well. but the french vanilla lineup should not come at the cost of dealing with center Sochan minutes
the last resort which mitch might test out, if he intends on having longer french vanilla stints, is having both Olynyk/Sochan on the floor together in those minutes, rather than sochan at center. neither is a rim protector, but maybe their collective size helps just enough? its worth experimenting early in the season. offensively. olynyk provides solid enough spacing and passing ability to work with sochan's limited game on that end. he can still let sochan play "center" on offense in the dunker spot or with cuts. while they might be turd towers defensively, its more size than having just the 1 smaller turd
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I mentioned this elsewhere and I think this reinforces it... that it would be really nice to have one more center who is better than Bismack or Sochan. I don't see Kelly as a C (and if he is, he's just as bad). I won't even make a case for Bassey here because his stints weren't any better last year despite some individual flashes... but it would be nice to have a Mason Plumlee or something in the place of Bismack for exactly these reasons.
I'd love to see us have French Vanilla as an option depending on match ups and for use in close games. Relying on it regularly is fraught with issues; namely it seems Kornet isn't built for more than 18 mpg. Luke crossing the 20 mpg threshold consistently would not be a good thing.
I'd like Wemby to be around 32 mpg in a typical game scenario (sometimes a bit more, sometimes less if we can hold leads better) which means Luke at 16 mpg.
I'd like Wemby to be around 32 mpg in a typical game scenario (sometimes a bit more, sometimes less if we can hold leads better) which means Luke at 16 mpg.
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if biyombo was even as good as he was last year, that would have been sufficient. but its been a wreck.
and yeah i generally agree with olynyk. there was one play against the bulls... i cant remember if it was Tre or someone else driving. but they got matched up with Olynyk and effectively used him as a screen to prevent Kornet from coming in for a contest. i always get a kick out of when the ballhandler uses a bad defender as a de-facto screen.
edit: ah, i found the clip. it was Dosunmu, at the 4:26 mark
Gafford is overqualified (and paid) i'm guessing? Just monitoring the inevitable sell off that Dallas is about to do lol.
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Yeah, I think so. It'd be quite luxurious but a luxury I don't think we can afford.
Thats what was throwing me off is all of point 3 is baked into point 2. My head was not wrapping around that for some reason. Getting too old
That would be terrible. They'd have the confidence of Curry while shooting 0% from 3 on the year.if our shooters could have the same confidence tbh...
I wonder if Keldons value has been rehabbed enough to make something work there. Problem is kinda like Keldon rn lol.
Too bad PJ Washington cant be traded this season I think.
Michael Finley is gonna be co-gm, I don't know if he is still friendly with the Spurs since they got him a ring.
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well you have to appreciate the confidence nonetheless at least it spaces the floor
Looks like that aged like greg oden's knees
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