Draft Atlanta Hawks Pick-Swap Watch Thread

[scott]

to be fair its the wizards subsection of SI

but yeah lmao thats hilarious. hey, we'll give you salary filler, you give us your all star point guard and your two best picks please

I guess it's not too far off from the idea that we turn Olynyk, Sochan and some SRPs into Herb Jones and Saddiq Bey that I read in the trade ideas thread

 

[bozhemoi]

Adding AD while keeping Porzingis and getting rid of Trae's atrocious defense is an L for us I fear. Hawks will definitely be improved if* AD stays on the floor. Even without him though, this is addition by subtraction either way.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008632534943338734

From what I've heard, Dallas doesn't want Young.

 

[Arguendo]

They fumbled it by letting him play these past few seasons....should have moved on two years ago really...

This, they didn't really "fumble" his value. His absolute lack of real (negative) value in today's NBA has simply been exposed but they had to turnover that entire '21 ECF roster w/o alienating the fanbase.
But I don't think they could have moved on 2yrs ago without a fan revolt, they just couldn't get any value for him and have been trying for 3yrs. But you simply can't trade a 3x (now 4x) AS in his prime, leading the league in Asts for a mediocre 1st and a swap when Mikal Bridges nets 5 1sts . What the Hawks have done is let the fans see he hurts the team (15-13 with, 2-8 w/o) and that its ok to salary dump him.

Trae was never actually valuable and tradeable at the same time. At 23 he was super valuable, he looked like maybe be could be a off-brand Steph, but you couldn't possibly trade him at that age putting up 28/10 coming off the ECF. By 25 they were ready to field offers, but dude was avg'g 25/11/3 so fans would never accept the value they were being offered, like I seriously doubt they were ever offered 2 good picks and mid-twenties picks don't actually offer much value (that's why Bridge cost 5 of them). Other teams knew he was the absolute worst defender in the league and the most heliocentric player in the league.

His value is and was only to tread-milling and selling jerseys to teams that are happy live on the treadmill. And for fans of teams that are absolutely desperate for something/anything, like 1/2 of Spurstalk before we traded for Fox. A huge part of that board wanted to trade 3+ 1sts + DV and KJ, including all 3 Atls, for Trae. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

IMO they didn't fumble his value, they simply could never get any real value, there was a change in FO/Coaching philosophy and certain NBA/fan/business realities.
Blockhead McMillian and Travis Schlenk (GM) would've be ecstatic going 43-39 every yr. Just treadmill and get paid for 5yrs. Beating the 76er's in 7 to get to the ECF set the bar way too high though, Trae 28/10 made his perceived value way too high as well.

Quinn Snyder was brought in to do what he did in UTA, take a loser to a 50-win team. Landry Fields was promoted from Ast to rectify the mistakes of Schlenk, take the heat, and ready the job for someone better.
Saleh and had the best off-season in the NBA getting that Pels pick + Newell, signing NAW to great value, getting in on the KD trade to move salary that let them get Kristaps as a salary dump, signing Kennard to an expiring/1yr deal, and saying "fuck you" to Trae's extension and seeing how everything looked with this roster which looked like it could be real in the East. They add a top3 pick and this roster with capspace looks real moving forward.

It's a Trae salary dump away from having a good core + 3x 1sts this yr including that Pels likely top5 + $80-100M in cap space. Hawks haven't been this well positioned in 15+ yrs and the fans are ready to except losing a 27y/o 4x All-star for nothing, looks to me like they played this very well considering the whole picture, where they started, and what they could actually get another team to give up for Trae.

 

[BatManu20]

From what I've heard, Dallas doesn't want Young.

Yea will likely be a multi-team deal with Trae being redirected elsewhere. Washington is the rumored team right now.

 

[spurraider21]

Yea will likely be a multi-team deal with Trae being redirected elsewhere. Washington is the rumored team right now.

washington is pretty perfectly suited for him. they badly need a point guard, and they are set to have over 100mil in cap space next year, so they can take on his salary and not really be constrained in any way. still have enough money to overpay for supporting vets

 

[scott]

His value is and was only to tread-milling and selling jerseys to teams that are happy live on the treadmill. And for fans of teams that are absolutely desperate for something/anything, like 1/2 of Spurstalk before we traded for Fox. A huge part of that board wanted to trade 3+ 1sts + DV and KJ, including all 3 Atls, for Trae. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

If it wouldn't take me hours upon hours at the speed ST operates, I'd go pull receipts just for fun

I'm grateful I was never on the Trae Train (I'm a Lauri Lover 4 Life tho), but I did think he'd be more expensive than people were thinking at the time. Turns out we could have just waited until he was free

If I were pulling receipts, I'd try to build the Venn Diagram of those who wanted Trae with those who wanted to give up DJM and picks for Ben Freakin' Simmons. Thankfully I was on the side of believing that we should be the ones getting picks in that deal and I was steadfast in my believe that DJM > Simmons.

Maybe trend will hold and we'll be able to get Lauri for free in 2 years.

 

[Ariel]

If it wouldn't take me hours upon hours at the speed ST operates, I'd go pull receipts just for fun

I'm grateful I was never on the Trae Train (I'm a Lauri Lover 4 Life tho), but I did think he'd be more expensive than people were thinking at the time. Turns out we could have just waited until he was free

If I were pulling receipts, I'd try to build the Venn Diagram of those who wanted Trae with those who wanted to give up DJM and picks for Ben Freakin' Simmons. Thankfully I was on the side of believing that we should be the ones getting picks in that deal and I was steadfast in my believe that DJM > Simmons.

Maybe trend will hold and we'll be able to get Lauri for free in 2 years.

If posters with bad trade / draft takes were banned, this board will turn into a ST like ghost town in no time. I think I can name at least one off the top of my head for every regular poster here, so come at me with your receipts that I'm waiting to fire back at you all

 

[scott]

washington is pretty perfectly suited for him. they badly need a point guard, and they are set to have over 100mil in cap space next year, so they can take on his salary and not really be constrained in any way. still have enough money to overpay for supporting vets

This might be completely crazy and the peoples of Washington DC might hate me for it... but if I can be allowed the grace to imagine for a moment...

Picks can be added as necessary (probably at least one going to NOP, maybe something to ATL though maybe not if Trae is truly a dump)

NOP gets a draft asset and Bilal to try and work with

WAS gets an instant look at star power with a way out (Trae only has one year left and Zion still has to hit his metrics to guarantee his for the next two years).



New look Wizards

Trae Young / Bub Carrington
Tre Johnson / AJ Johnson
Kyshawn George / Justin Champagnie / Corey Kispert / Will Riley
Zion Williamson / Marvin Bagley
Alex Sarr / Tristan Vuckevic

That should at least sell tickets, and WAS can still pull the rip cord along the way on Trae and Zion if they need to.

 

[scott]

If posters with bad trade / draft takes were banned, this board will turn into a ST like ghost town in no time. I think I can name at least one off the top of my head for every regular poster here, so come at me with your receipts that I'm waiting to fire back at you all

Whoa whoa whoa... no one is talking about banning anyone... let's make it clear: bad trade proposals (and the sharing of receipts) are the core of what make our community great!

 

[BatManu20]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008629038848549094

“The Washington Wizards have discussed a trade for Young centered around CJ McCollum’s $30.67 million expiring contract, as The Stein Line first reported. Stein also notes that the Wizards would likely seek additional draft capital, as Young has a $48.97 million player option for next season. In addition, the Milwaukee Bucks, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Los Angeles Clippers have monitored Young’s situation, league sources told HoopsHype.”

 

[PocketMonger]

If it wouldn't take me hours upon hours at the speed ST operates, I'd go pull receipts just for fun

I'm grateful I was never on the Trae Train (I'm a Lauri Lover 4 Life tho), but I did think he'd be more expensive than people were thinking at the time. Turns out we could have just waited until he was free

If I were pulling receipts, I'd try to build the Venn Diagram of those who wanted Trae with those who wanted to give up DJM and picks for Ben Freakin' Simmons. Thankfully I was on the side of believing that we should be the ones getting picks in that deal and I was steadfast in my believe that DJM > Simmons.

Maybe trend will hold and we'll be able to get Lauri for free in 2 years.

I admit I was on the Trae train and was wrong. I still think the Lob City that he and Wemby would created would have been a lot of fun to watch. Feel slightly redeemed because the Hawks picks aren't amounting to much for the time being.

 

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008629038848549094

I'm just kinda looking at what these teams would have to offer to salary match and seeing if there's an asset we can pry out by facilitating with Olynyk and/or Sochan. Portis or McDaniel are probably the only players I'd want unless its a bigger deal where Atlanta has to add players to match salary....then it really gets interesting...

 

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008629038848549094

im monitoring the situation too

 

[Exstatic]

If it wouldn't take me hours upon hours at the speed ST operates, I'd go pull receipts just for fun

I'm grateful I was never on the Trae Train (I'm a Lauri Lover 4 Life tho), but I did think he'd be more expensive than people were thinking at the time. Turns out we could have just waited until he was free

If I were pulling receipts, I'd try to build the Venn Diagram of those who wanted Trae with those who wanted to give up DJM and picks for Ben Freakin' Simmons. Thankfully I was on the side of believing that we should be the ones getting picks in that deal and I was steadfast in my believe that DJM > Simmons.

Maybe trend will hold and we'll be able to get Lauri for free in 2 years.

Never wanted Trae under any circumstances. I was on the Lauri train on his second contract, bit not now on his third. Shamefully, I was on team DJ for Simmons, but in my defense, I never saw anyone giving us what ATL did.

 

[spurraider21]

Never wanted Trae under any circumstances. I was on the Lauri train on his second contract, bit not now on his third. Shamefully, I was on team DJ for Simmons, but in my defense, I never saw anyone giving us what ATL did.

were you planning to trade for him and then let him walk in one year?

 

[scott]

Never wanted Trae under any circumstances. I was on the Lauri train on his second contract, bit not now on his third. Shamefully, I was on team DJ for Simmons, but in my defense, I never saw anyone giving us what ATL did.

This is a judgement free zone. We can all atone for our trade sins. I can’t think of a terrible one I was in for, but I’m sure someone will remember one or there is one to come.

 

[Arguendo]

If it wouldn't take me hours upon hours at the speed ST operates, I'd go pull receipts just for fun

I'm grateful I was never on the Trae Train (I'm a Lauri Lover 4 Life tho), but I did think he'd be more expensive than people were thinking at the time. Turns out we could have just waited until he was free

If I were pulling receipts, I'd try to build the Venn Diagram of those who wanted Trae with those who wanted to give up DJM and picks for Ben Freakin' Simmons. Thankfully I was on the side of believing that we should be the ones getting picks in that deal and I was steadfast in my believe that DJM > Simmons.

Maybe trend will hold and we'll be able to get Lauri for free in 2 years.

Forgot about the Simmons fervor, but at least that dude is NBA height (and then some) and played D. Fervor over a unicorn is much more understandable than fervor over a midget, even one that's great a ranking up assists.

We'll probably never know, but I'd bet the offers for Trae pegged his value pretty well...bad expiring contracts and a couple of protected 1sts or one potentially good pick. I think most GMs knew what Trae was and is, play-in contention floor and 5th seed ceiling in a weak conference w/o any real chance to contend because you can only play one style, both ways= Trae-Ball O, 4-on-5 D.

& I'm still scared of that Lauri contract. I was in the small group of "rather have Naz for half the $ and all the assets it'd take to get Lauri". I'm still in that camp. Lauri's very good when he plays, easily playing his best ball, never been this healthy, never played these kinds of minutes. And he's likely nearing the end of his prime and he's never been able to stay healthy. He's a great piece, fits into almost any system, but $49M a yr (plus assets to acquire) is just too much IMO unless he's your only Max guy.
If Utah is not actively shopping him right now it'd be crazy. Value will never be higher based on play/production/age and if they trade him for expiring's they'd have crazy caproom to take on bad contracts for picks (Kings are calling, MIN, MIL, NYK, CLE, LAC will likely need to do something with someone's capspace this offseason too) and they'd keep their pick vs this gamble of giving it to OKC. They have real young talent and tons of picks, why keep an almost 29y/o Lauri when history says high injury risk?

But I'll happily take him as a Kristaps-to-Boston type salary dump in 2 yrs! For next yr, I'll take Kristaps for cheap.

 

[spurraider21]

This is a judgement free zone. We can all atone for our trade sins. I can’t think of a terrible one I was in for, but I’m sure someone will remember one or there is one to come.

oh yeah, i wanted simmons. i didnt foresee his career falling apart the way it did tbh. thought he would have been a hell of a floor raiser

i didnt hate the idea of Trae, and if the price was right, i was good for that one too. i wouldnt have gone 3 firsts or whatever the expected cost would have been at the time

 

[Arguendo]

Prolly getting too greedy, but Wiz are beating the Magic, only 4 back in L column from Hawks.
I love having these ATL picks cuz I'm checking the scoreboard every night, rooting for teams I otherwise wouldn't give a shit about.
Can easily see 4+ of the Nets, CHA, MIL, Mavs, and LAC jumping the Hawks, common Hawks, get us another top6 pick!

 

[BatManu20]

Hawks host the Pelicans tonight, who are coming off a close game down to the wire last night against the lakers. Prob an easy W for them unfortunately.

Also sounds like Trae to the Wizards is imminent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008926730702991510

 

[BatManu20]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008962602022338570

 

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008977450999664913

 

[spurraider21]

Hawks host the Pelicans tonight, who are coming off a close game down to the wire last night against the lakers. Prob an easy W for them unfortunately.

Also sounds like Trae to the Wizards is imminent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008926730702991510

you tweet you posted specifically says its not considered imminent. my guess is hawks want to wait and just see if more suitors arise but i dno how many other teams want to pay Trae 50+

even the kings and nets said no, and that doesnt bode well. wizards are uniquely suited to to take on Trae tbh

 

[LeBowen]

I actually thought he had one more season before his option, but he's effectively an expiring contract since his option is for the next season.

No chance Hawks need to pay someone to take him, but they're also not getting anything other than expiring contracts in return.

Trae for DDR+Monk would actually make sense, DDR's contract isn't fully guaranteed for the next season and the Hawks need a bench PG.

 

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008994775379398955