Draft Atlanta Hawks Pick-Swap Watch Thread

[Sugus]

I completely disagree. There's a reason Brian Wright traded for Olynyk and it's not his on court play. It's his 13.5 million dollar expiring contract. That salary paired with Sochan is enough to make a significant move.

I don't think the Spurs will break up our 9 rotation guys, nor should they. But aside from those 9 and Carter Bryant, some of the other 5 players will get moved for somebody. It might just be a bench guy like Dean Wade, but I'm 99% sure we will make a trade to add on to what we have.

Yeah, it's crazy to say the Spurs have 0% chances of making a trade given both their massive success, and also the recent highlight of the team's deficiencies. I have zero doubt that San Antonio phones will be active closer to the deadline.

Whether there's a trade target that makes sense for us is another topic, but I'd argue this is one of the recent seasons where a trade has been MOST likely for us, tbh. The FO is clearly aware of the timeline and they traded for Fox last season, so there's precedent too.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, it's crazy to say the Spurs have 0% chances of making a trade given both their massive success, and also the recent highlight of the team's deficiencies. I have zero doubt that San Antonio phones will be active closer to the deadline.

Whether there's a trade target that makes sense for us is another topic, but I'd argue this is one of the recent seasons where a trade has been MOST likely for us, tbh. The FO is clearly aware of the timeline and they traded for Fox last season, so there's precedent too.

I mean it would be dumb to let Sochan walk for nothing in return. We have 6 expiring contracts on the team right now, with Barnes being the only rotation player out of those. Waiting until the offseason would mean we‘d have to package our core guys if we want to make a trade.
The areas of improvement are also very clear. It doesn‘t even have to be a big move, just get somebody who can make this a 10-man rotation.

 

[BacktoBasics]

- I had Porzingis marked as an offseason target for the MLE (because of his injury history he should be available for that type of salary). It would make sense for the Mavs to buy him out and get out the apron. That‘s supposedly the reason they want to move AD. Spurs should be up on it if he hits the buyout market.

By the way I think he‘d play C here and have Wemby play PF. That‘s usually what we do with French Vanilla out there.

- Risacher sounds nice, but the Hawks want picks to add to the AD trade. I wouldn‘t even give up one first rounder for him. Too many question marks and we don’t need another project. We need a solid starter.

- since the Hawks need more assets, Brian should call Onsi and ask if they are down to trade Okongwu to get ‘27 back

Porz is done tbh but as a 3rd string center on a minimum that’s fine. In no way should be giving anything up for him. He cannot be relied on in any way.

 

[Sugus]

I mean it would be dumb to let Sochan walk for nothing in return. We have 6 expiring contracts on the team right now, with Barnes being the only rotation player out of those. Waiting until the offseason would mean we‘d have to package our core guys if we want to make a trade.
The areas of improvement are also very clear. It doesn‘t even have to be a big move, just get somebody who can make this a 10-man rotation.

I'm not a fan of the sunk cost fallacy; I'd let whomever on the team walk "for nothing" if it's the best move overall, and a trade couldn't materialize, which happens. But of course it's preferable to trade players out, especially since we can aggregate outgoing salaries being below the tax lines.

I'm more stuck in lacking a good trade target than on fearing the team is "scared" to make trades or w/e. I think the Spurs ring this year if they could bring Markkannen to the team, but that's a pipe dream obviously, and otherwise the Obi Toppin's of the league all seem pretty set on their teams, or too old to contribute, like Bobby Portis.

Bottom line though, I don't see Brian Wright being scared off trades at all, quite the contrary, and I predict we'll start hearing reports about it closer to the deadline. Who'd you like to get? I don't want Porzingis at all, he's done & done

E. apparently Portis is "only" 30 yo??? He always plays like a 35+ TOSB every time I watch the Bucks

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Porz is done tbh but as a 3rd string center on a minimum that’s fine. In no way should be giving anything up for him. He cannot be relied on in any way.

Have you even read what I said?

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not a fan of the sunk cost fallacy; I'd let whomever on the team walk "for nothing" if it's the best move overall, and a trade couldn't materialize, which happens. But of course it's preferable to trade players out, especially since we can aggregate outgoing salaries being below the tax lines.

I'm more stuck in lacking a good trade target than on fearing the team is "scared" to make trades or w/e. I think the Spurs ring this year if they could bring Markkannen to the team, but that's a pipe dream obviously, and otherwise the Obi Toppin's of the league all seem pretty set on their teams, or too old to contribute, like Bobby Portis.

Bottom line though, I don't see Brian Wright being scared off trades at all, quite the contrary, and I predict we'll start hearing reports about it closer to the deadline. Who'd you like to get? I don't want Porzingis at all, he's done & done

Dean Wade, Saddiq Bey and Jarace Walker are good PFs on low salary who wouldn‘t cost much

 

[Sugus]

Dean Wade, Saddiq Bey and Jarace Walker are good PFs on low salary who wouldn‘t cost much

Man,, Saddiq Bey would be amazing on the Spurs - we need to follow the Hawks blueprint and take Joe Dumars on a wine & dine tbh

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Man,, Saddiq Bey would be amazing on the Spurs - we need to follow the Hawks blueprint and take Joe Dumars on a wine & dine tbh

This is the type of subtle move I want Wright to make. Reports say he‘s far more likely to get traded than Herb Jones or TM3

 

[BacktoBasics]

Have you even read what I said?

My post wasn’t meant to disagree with you. I don’t think I did.

 

[PocketMonger]

Since moving into the starting lineup Bey is averaging 18/7 with an EFG of 51% over 17 games. He's playing out of our range.

 

[scott]

Dean Wade, Saddiq Bey and Jarace Walker are good PFs on low salary who wouldn‘t cost much

I fear that Saddiq Bae has played his way out of the "wouldn't cost much" group.

IMO, NOP would absolutely be justified in wanting a package similar to what we got for Derrick White for him. His contract adds significantly to his trade value.

 

[LeBowen]

I fear that Saddiq Bae has played his way out of the "wouldn't cost much" group.

IMO, NOP would absolutely be justified in wanting a package similar to what we got for Derrick White for him. His contract adds significantly to his trade value.

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford and #25 pick?
White was traded at 2022 deadline in the first year of his rookie scale extension which ran all the way through 2025.
3.5 years left.

Bey's contract is a bargain at just $6M a year, but it has just 1.5 years left and if he continues playing like this, no contender that trades for him would be able to pay him.
For me it's a great short term value contract, but you don't want to spend a FRP on a player that will be gone in a year unless you can get the extension signed right away.

 

[scott]

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford and #25 pick?
White was traded at 2022 deadline in the first year of his rookie scale extension which ran all the way through 2025.
3.5 years left.

Bey's contract is a bargain at just $6M a year, but it has just 1.5 years left and if he continues playing like this, no contender that trades for him would be able to pay him.
For me it's a great short term value contract, but you don't want to spend a FRP on a player that will be gone in a year unless you can get the extension signed right away.

Matching salary and a late FRP... yes, I think NOP would be very much justified in asking for that and I do think a contending team would pay.

Derrick had more years remaining, but his contract wasn't near the bargain Bey's is. There aren't a lot of guys playing at Bey's level who you can add for 1.5 years at less than 4% of the cap. Derrick was at 13.5% of the cap at the time he was traded.

He's a rental... but rentals cost too. Teams will and do trade late FRPs for short term guys who they feel can push them over the top.

 

[LeBowen]

Matching salary and a late FRP... yes, I think NOP would be very much justified in asking for that and I do think a contending team would pay.

Derrick had more years remaining, but his contract wasn't near the bargain Bey's is. There aren't a lot of guys playing at Bey's level who you can add for 1.5 years at less than 4% of the cap. Derrick was at 13.5% of the cap at the time he was traded.

He's a rental... but rentals cost too. Teams will and do trade late FRPs for short term guys who they feel can push them over the top.

I agree with your points, it's just that we both know Spurs aren't one of those teams that will trade a FRP, no matter how shitty, for someone who would be the 8th most important player on the roster, best case scenario.

 

[scott]

I agree with your points, it's just that we both know Spurs aren't one of those teams that will trade a FRP, no matter how shitty, for someone who would be the 8th most important player on the roster, best case scenario.

Oh yeah, I also don't think we'd give up an FRP... which is why I say that I think Bae has played himself out of our acquisition range (unfortunately because I really like the idea of him on the team). If I were the Pels, I would stand firm on that price (or better) or I'd just hang on to him, maybe even see if they can extend him for a decent deal this summer.

But, the TL;DR version is that I don't think we'll be able to get him for just some SRPs... but then again, we are talking about Dumars here so who knows.

 

[LeBowen]

Oh yeah, I also don't think we'd give up an FRP... which is why I say that I think Bae has played himself out of our acquisition range (unfortunately because I really like the idea of him on the team). If I were the Pels, I would stand firm on that price (or better) or I'd just hang on to him, maybe even see if they can extend him for a decent deal this summer.

But, the TL;DR version is that I don't think we'll be able to get him for just some SRPs... but then again, we are talking about Dumars here so who knows.

Maybe we can convince him that Sochan-Queen is their frontcourt of the future, tbh.

 

[BatManu20]

So Risacher + Porzingis + 1 or 2 FRP's would be my best guess at what this deal might look like if it were just between those two teams. If they're also trying to move Trae to another team in the same deal, then it becomes a bit more complex obviously.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005636232445882688

 

[BatManu20]

I could see ATL having interest in LaVine once they move Trae tbh. Either way, I do think this will end up being a multi-team deal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006106968872632354

 

[BacktoBasics]

So Risacher + Porzingis + 1 or 2 FRP's would be my best guess at what this deal might look like if it were just between those two teams. If they're also trying to move Trae to another team in the same deal, then it becomes a bit more complex obviously.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005636232445882688

A broken down AD pulling 2 FRP’s is just laughable to me but I imagine Mavs will get at least 1 FRP wherever he goes.

 

[scott]

So Risacher + Porzingis + 1 or 2 FRP's would be my best guess at what this deal might look like if it were just between those two teams. If they're also trying to move Trae to another team in the same deal, then it becomes a bit more complex obviously.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005636232445882688

Ron Harper is my favorite opinionated old guy in the comments section these days

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005736993645568236

 

[scott]

I could see ATL having interest in LaVine once they move Trae tbh. Either way, I do think this will end up being a multi-team deal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006106968872632354

I think this would actually be a fairly decent recovery trade for DAL if they then also shut it down for the rest of the reason and angled for that high draft pick.

Dallas Mavericks receive: F/C Domantas Sabonis, F Zaccharie Risacher, G Luke Kennard, CLE 2026 1st-round pick (via ATL swap), ATL/UTA/CLE 2028 1st-round swap (More favorable of ATL and less favorable of CLE/UTA), BOS 2026 2nd-round pick (via ATL)

 

[LeBowen]

I think this would actually be a fairly decent recovery trade for DAL if they then also shut it down for the rest of the reason and angled for that high draft pick.

Dallas Mavericks receive: F/C Domantas Sabonis, F Zaccharie Risacher, G Luke Kennard, CLE 2026 1st-round pick (via ATL swap), ATL/UTA/CLE 2028 1st-round swap (More favorable of ATL and less favorable of CLE/UTA), BOS 2026 2nd-round pick (via ATL)

Yeah, they're never getting that much.

I think we should call the Hawks about Risacher.

I'd offer Sochan and both teams getting their picks back.
Give them back their swap and next year's pick, with us getting our '27 pick back.

I know it looks like an overpay right now, but last year we kept talking about those picks as if they were pure gold, but Hawks are an Eastern team that's looking to compete which means we can get a top10 pick from them only with blind luck.
If they trade for AD, no matter how injury prone, they're not giving us a top10 pick.

 

[scott]

Yeah, they're never getting that much.

I think we should call the Hawks about Risacher.

I'd offer Sochan and both teams getting their picks back.
Give them back their swap and next year's pick, with us getting our '27 pick back.

I know it looks like an overpay right now, but last year we kept talking about those picks as if they were pure gold, but Hawks are an Eastern team that's looking to compete which means we can get a top10 pick from them only with blind luck.
If they trade for AD, no matter how injury prone, they're not giving us a top10 pick.

I'm passing. I'm feeling pretty good about the swap this year. Look at the Hawks schedule. I wouldn't be shocked to see them drop 20 of the next 25.

 

[LeBowen]

I'm passing. I'm feeling pretty good about the swap this year. Look at the Hawks schedule. I wouldn't be shocked to see them drop 20 of the next 25.

They'll still end up in the play-in because the East is that bad.
Maybe it's just me not being a gambler, I don't like pushing our chances when we've had so much lottery luck over the past years.

I guess it comes down to if you think Risacher is worth trading down 15ish spots in the draft.

 

[frenchfred]

Yeah, they're never getting that much.

I think we should call the Hawks about Risacher.

I'd offer Sochan and both teams getting their picks back.
Give them back their swap and next year's pick, with us getting our '27 pick back.

I know it looks like an overpay right now, but last year we kept talking about those picks as if they were pure gold, but Hawks are an Eastern team that's looking to compete which means we can get a top10 pick from them only with blind luck.
If they trade for AD, no matter how injury prone, they're not giving us a top10 pick.

that's too much for Risacher (Spurs 2027 FRP is owned by the Kings with potential to go to OKC), he is simply not that good and he is making two times what Sochan is making with his extension coming up at the same time as Castle.