Draft Atlanta Hawks Pick-Swap Watch Thread

[Ariel]

Well, we took Bryant who's best case projection is a high-end 3-D wing with no self-creation.

All I want from the next draft is an athletic rim protector that could take over as Kornet's backup within a few years. Should be doable.

Make no mistake, Carter Bryant was sill an upside bet, his tools are crazy impressive but there's a wide range of possible outcomes. I'm saying from now on they should try to go for higher floor even if lower ceiling, a baseline of skills that make it harder to flame out, and hope they still exceed expectations.

As for the center, you had Kalkbrenner in the 2nd round for that, Spurs own pick plus one or two more would have easily gotten that, and it was so easy to see that even a guy from Argentina who gets to watch the odd College game through shady sites was able to see that, yet the Spurs with their enormous resources couldn't.

Their scouting department needs a full revamp TBH, identify the best people from Memphis and OKC and offer them a promotion with 3x the salary, it'll pay itself out within a year.

 

[OK Computer]

Make no mistake, Carter Bryant was sill an upside bet, his tools are crazy impressive but there's a wide range of possible outcomes. I'm saying from now on they should try to go for higher floor even if lower ceiling, a baseline of skills that make it harder to flame out, and hope they still exceed expectations.

As for the center, you had Kalkbrenner in the 2nd round for that, Spurs own pick plus one or two more would have easily gotten that, and it was so easy to see that even a guy from Argentina who gets to watch the odd College game through shady sites was able to see that, yet the Spurs with their enormous resources couldn't.

Their scouting department needs a full revamp TBH, identify the best people from Memphis and OKC and offer them a promotion with 3x the salary, it'll pay itself out within a year.

IMO, with deliberate choices like punting picks like that I think it’s less about what players they see from a scouting standpoint, and more about the long term strategy of the team and how the pieces fall together. Timing is everything tbh.

 

[heyheymymy]

let's go DET

 

[Strategic]

Pistons look like total shiit tonight playing the Hawks.

 

[onechance87]

Pistons look like total shiit tonight playing the Hawks.

fck u atl

 

[BatManu20]

Pistons look like total shiit tonight playing the Hawks.

Detroit comes back and wins by 1 thanks to Cade’s heroics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1995681187025576295

 

[spurraider21]

yeah... this isnt gonna be a lotto pick. but maybe we move up from 23 to 18 or something lol

 

[ambchang]

Scrub ass NAW turning into SGA-lite this season was not on my bingo card. Nor was Jalen Johnson becoming a top 15 player in the league.

Hopefully Trae Young returns ASAP and slows down their roll.

Was pretty sure NAW was going to be big for them, I was sort of upset the spurs didn’t get him on that $64/4 deal. Didn’t see him averaging 20ppg

 

[STAT88]

Was pretty sure NAW was going to be big for them, I was sort of upset the spurs didn’t get him on that $64/4 deal. Didn’t see him averaging 20ppg

Same. My scrub comment was more in jest/frustration at his break out. I thought he would be a solid high impact player on both ends who defended and averaged 15 per game. No idea he’d be pumping out 25+ point games on the regular and averaging 20-4-4 while being the second option after JJ.

 

[spursistan]

Joe Dumars needs to get tried in the Hague. Hawks could care less about our swap; they are getting an increasingly locked Top 4 pick next draft from Pels (3-19 and Zion shutdown minimum 3weeks)

 

[PocketMonger]

Bill Simmons talking about a Giannis to the Hawks trade and it makes a ton of sense.

Bucks get:
Trae Young (expiring next season)
Porzingis (expiring)
Risacher
Unprotected Pels pick in 2026.
least favorable of the the Pel or Bucks pick in 2027 top four protected from a prior trade.
Plus more picks and swaps in the future.

Hawks get:
Giannis
Kuzma
Portis (matching contract keeping the Bucks under the tax threshold this summer with still getting Risacher)
Thansis (Gianni's little brother)

Swapping the Porzingis and Kuzma deals get the Bucks under the tax threshold this summer. I could see the Hawks flipping Portis to another team since Portis doesn't fit their newly formed roster.

 

[LeBowen]

Bucks won't entertain any offer that doesn't include that team's best young players.
What are they going to do with 27 year old Trae on an expiring contract?

Those picks make it interesting, but I doubt Giannis would want to go to Atlanta.

 

[Ariel]

Bucks won't entertain any offer that doesn't include that team's best young players.
What are they going to do with 27 year old Trae on an expiring contract?

Those picks make it interesting, but I doubt Giannis would want to go to Atlanta.

If you're Milwaukee this is a trade you consider post lottery when that New Orleans pick falls into the top 3, not before then.

 

[PocketMonger]

Bucks won't entertain any offer that doesn't include that team's best young players.
What are they going to do with 27 year old Trae on an expiring contract?

Those picks make it interesting, but I doubt Giannis would want to go to Atlanta.

Deal doesn't make sense for the Hawks if JJ is included.

Trae has a player option this summer. If he opts out the Bucks suddenly have cap space and could start renting cap space in exchange for assets. A four team deal with Trae going somewhere else makes the most sense.

 

[PocketMonger]

If you're Milwaukee this is a trade you consider post lottery when that New Orleans pick falls into the top 3, not before then.

I agree but if Giannis wants out now and they might have to do it before the lotto.

 

[Ariel]

I agree but if Giannis wants out now and they might have to do it before the lotto.

Then you have to up the assets to make up for the added uncertainty.

 

[PocketMonger]

Then you have to up the assets to make up for the added uncertainty.

Pels picks looks like a top six pick guaranteed in a very strong draft class.

 

[Ariel]

Pels picks looks like a top six pick guaranteed in a very strong draft class.

The value gap between 3 and 6 in this class is astronomical, there's always a tier break where the draft falls off a cliff and it's not smart to take on that risk for free.

 

[PocketMonger]

The value gap between 3 and 6 in this class is astronomical, there's always a tier break where the draft falls off a cliff and it's not smart to take on that risk for free.

In terms of pick value other teams will be hard pressed to offer a better pick package. The least favorable of the Pels and Bucks pick in 2027 is another very valuable pick if Giannis is gone. Two premium picks in the next two draft classes.

 

[Ariel]

In terms of pick value other teams will be hard pressed to offer a better pick package. The least favorable of the Pels and Bucks pick in 2027 is another very valuable pick if Giannis is gone. Two premium picks in the next two draft classes.

Getting a top 4 pick is a coin flip even if you have the worst record, you don't trade Giannis for not even a single blue chip prospect / asset, unless you want to become the next Nico Harrison within 6 months. I can't see any current GM this side of Dumars taking such a boneheaded chance.

 

[PocketMonger]

Getting a top 4 pick is a coin flip even if you have the worst record, you don't trade Giannis for not even a single blue chip prospect / asset, unless you want to become the next Nico Harrison within 6 months. I can't see any current GM this side of Dumars taking such a boneheaded chance.

Unprotected Pels pick is a blue chip asset without a doubt. Least favorable of the Pels or Bucks pick in 2027 is pretty premium too if Giannis leaves the Bucks.

 

[Ariel]

Unprotected Pels pick is a blue chip asset without a doubt. Least favorable of the Pels or Bucks pick in 2027 is pretty premium too if Giannis leaves the Bucks.

No man, just no. Just ask the Detroit Pistons who had the worst record like 3 years on a row and got the 5th pick every time. This isn't an opinion, it's a factual description of how the lottery works. If the best you can get is a 50% chance of getting to pick between Nate Ament and Koa Peat, Milwaukee should simply look elsewhere or wait until that risk goes away. Assuming that risk for free is suicidal and no GM who appreciates his position would pull the trigger knowing he's a coin flip away from losing his job in 6 months.

 

[PocketMonger]

No man, just no. Just ask the Detroit Pistons who had the worst record like 3 years on a row and got the 5th pick every time. This isn't an opinion, it's a factual description of how the lottery works. If the best you can get is a 50% chance of getting to pick between Nate Ament and Koa Pete, Milwaukee should simply look elsewhere or wait until that risk goes away. Assuming that risk for free is suicidal and no GM who appreciates his position would pull the trigger knowing he's a coin flip away from losing his job in 6 months.

Detroit built a really nice core with those picks. Plus they could just as easily get lucky like the Spurs get their numbers drawn in the lotto three years in a row.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Getting a top 4 pick is a coin flip even if you have the worst record, you don't trade Giannis for not even a single blue chip prospect / asset, unless you want to become the next Nico Harrison within 6 months. I can't see any current GM this side of Dumars taking such a boneheaded chance.

The risk exposure to the Bucks is not insignificant, the longer they hold onto Giannis. It's impossible to ensure a top 4 pick at this time, but the Pelicans pick is right there. Additionally, some of the talent at 5 and 6 is looking promising too, so this might be the year to risk it.

Assuming backsliding on a treadmill is not in the cards for Milwaukee, I'm trying to deal with the Hawks and and bring in Trae + Pelican pick + whatever, with the intention of Trae getting redirected to a third team. Then I complete the firesale and maximize return on Turner.

Maybe it does not work out, but half-measures are sure to fail.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Bucks won't entertain any offer that doesn't include that team's best young players.
What are they going to do with 27 year old Trae on an expiring contract?

Those picks make it interesting, but I doubt Giannis would want to go to Atlanta.

there were rumors about that before because his agent applied for the head of basketball operations job there