Which unlikely thing is likeliest to happen?

Which of these is likeliest to happen?

  • Keldon Johnson wins Sixth Man of the Year

  • Mitch Johnson wins Coach of the Year

  • Wembanyama wins MVP

  • A second Spur on the All Defense team (make a post indicating who)

  • A second Spur on the All NBA team (make a post indicating who)

  • A Spurs player wins MIP (make a post indicating who)


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We already know Wemby will probably be DPOY…

And Harper probably has a good shot at being ROY…

But could there be other awards our Spurs could win? Time to vote!
 
If Spurs overachieve it would come as a result of Wemby taking a big leap, so I wouldn't rule out MVP if he's already favorite for DPOY. However, my money is on 2 spurs making all NBA, say Wemby making 1st team and Fox making 3rd.
 
Wemby MVP. I don't think any of the others are very likely.
 
Either Wemby wins MVP or 2nd spur make an all nba team.
 
The poll allows me to add more options and I’m really tempted to add: “David Jones Garcia wins Rookie of the Year” tbh
 
I voted Mitch because if the spurs manage to win ~50+ he might get it for their improvement

If wemby is even a top 3 mvp candidate it means the spurs are a high seed anyway so Mitch becomes a candidate in that scenario anyway
 
If Spurs overachieve it would come as a result of Wemby taking a big leap, so I wouldn't rule out MVP if he's already favorite for DPOY. However, my money is on 2 spurs making all NBA, say Wemby making 1st team and Fox making 3rd.
This is essentially my vote as well
 
I voted Mitch because if the spurs manage to win ~50+ he might get it for their improvement

If wemby is even a top 3 mvp candidate it means the spurs are a high seed anyway so Mitch becomes a candidate in that scenario anyway
Agree with this too. Actually ia have 3 choices. Wmby MVP, 2 spur on all nba team or mitch win coty.
 
I voted Mitch because if the spurs manage to win ~50+ he might get it for their improvement

If wemby is even a top 3 mvp candidate it means the spurs are a high seed anyway so Mitch becomes a candidate in that scenario anyway
This was exactly my reasoning for voting Mitch. If Wemby wins MVP, he wins COY for Mitch. If he even comes close, he still wins COY for Mitch.
 
Wemby gets MVP with a 6 seed. Mitch would need a 1-3 seed.
 
I think its easily Mitch. If the Spurs win 47+ games he got a great shot. If they get to 50?
Wemby's got a chance but...SGA, Joker, and Giannis are very stiff competition. Luka's never won one so if he cooks in LA he's probably due.
Could see Fox getting NBA3, but if that happens with a healthy Wemby Mitch is COTY.
 
Wemby gets MVP with a 6 seed. Mitch would need a 1-3 seed.
Mike Brown got it for taking the Kings from 30 to 48 wins
Thibs got it for 21 to 41
IMO its more turn-around than seed.
Last yr Minny got 6th with 49, if Spurs get to 49 I think Mitch is favorite.
Not that'd he would be more deserving than Wemby, but writers won't want to give it to a 22 y/o. Not when Luka is in LA, Joker goes 28+/12/9+, Giannis goes 30/12/6, and SGA goes 30+/5/6/2/1 closing in on 70.
 
Mike Brown got it for taking the Kings from 30 to 48 wins
Thibs got it for 21 to 41
IMO its more turn-around than seed.
Last yr Minny got 6th with 49, if Spurs get to 49 I think Mitch is favorite.
Not that'd he would be more deserving than Wemby, but writers won't want to give it to a 22 y/o. Not when Luka is in LA, Joker goes 28+/12/9+, Giannis goes 30/12/6, and SGA goes 30+/5/6/2/1 closing in on 70.
Those guys had a big hand in putting those teams together, Mitch reaping the benefits of Wemby taking a leap and an overall much improved, healthy roster isn't going to fool anyone and we shouldn't conflate the 2. In fact I might argue the more dominant Wemby is the less likely Mitch is credited for Spurs wins.
 
Those guys had a big hand in putting those teams together, Mitch reaping the benefits of Wemby taking a leap and an overall much improved, healthy roster isn't going to fool anyone and we shouldn't conflate the 2. In fact I might argue the more dominant Wemby is the less likely Mitch is credited for Spurs wins.
If Wemby wins MVP, the chances of Mitch winning CoY too are very high. It's very rare to see a first time coach that takes a lottery team to contender status (what it would take for Wemby to win MVP) and not win CoY, tbh.
 
Wemby gets MVP with a 6 seed. Mitch would need a 1-3 seed.
It's more likely the other way around. The only way a guy is winning MVP as a lower seed than 3 is if they pull some historic stat line like Westbrook averaging a triple double after years of said thing not happening.

Coaches winning RoY with lower seeds is way more common. Although that happens when a team exceeds expectations out of nowhere. There's some decent hype regarding the Spurs, so I don't think a 6th seed gets anyone any award.
 
If Wemby wins MVP, the chances of Mitch winning CoY too are very high. It's very rare to see a first time coach that takes a lottery team to contender status (what it would take for Wemby to win MVP) and not win CoY, tbh.
Do you think Vegas has Spurs at 44.5 wins because of Mitch Johnson? You could probably swap him for a couple dozen other coaches and expectations should not be lower (maybe the other way around). Point is COY award is for coaching, not good fortune, and inheriting a team trending up isn't his merit.

I can see MVP positively influencing COY when coaching actually elevates a player, like D'Antoni and Nash, but for the most part I'd expect everyone to be judged on their own merit. In simple terms, say Spurs win 48 games next season. Is Mitch more likely to win COY if a) Wemby gets MVP or b) Wemby barely played all year (knock on wood)? I think the answer is pretty straight forward.
 
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Ideally people who votes for Cozy would actually watch the games and analyze them instead of just looking at a record and measure it against the expectations, whatever that was.

Coaching is more important in today’s game due to rule changes and skill development (namely shooting) allowing way more offensive options. Defensive techniques (aka hacking) have also been reduced so rotations are more important than ever.

A good coach should be able to develop offensive and defensive sets that amplify the strength and minimize the weaknesses of his team. As much as people love to down him I thought what d’antoni did with the suns was amazing. Nobody ran an offence like that back then and it changes the way the league played. Pop did the same with his defensive philosophies in the late 90s and early 00s as well. Same with Spolestra and thibadeau, who all added their own spin based on their rosters and help change the league.

Alas, the voting doesn’t work that way.

Don’t really care what individual awards the team gets. All I want is for Mitch and the coaching staff to come up with sets that actually integrated players around wemby and hold those not doing it accountable. That’s it.
 
We already know Wemby will probably be DPOY…

And Harper probably has a good shot at being ROY…

But could there be other awards our Spurs could win? Time to vote!

you could have listed Harper as ROY, as of today the overwhelming favorite is Flagg
 
For the poll the strongest shot is imo Mitch.

I'd love a Victor MVP but I mean.. there are 3 heavy favorites SGA, Jokic and fit Luka. If the Spurs overachieve with direct spot to PO with near 50 wins, Mitch would be a candidate, difficult ? yes but more likely than MVP Victor
 
you could have listed Harper as ROY, as of today the overwhelming favorite is Flagg
Nah, the locker room loves each other and I think they’ll push to get Harper the ROY this year. It’s on Wemby’s and Castle’s minds for sure.
 
Nah, the locker room loves each other and I think they’ll push to get Harper the ROY this year. It’s on Wemby’s and Castle’s minds for sure.

Surely but Cooper will also have the support of Dallas especially after the Luka trade fiasco. Besides, Cooper will have all the playing time he will be able to handle, Harper will have to compete with Fox and Castle in particular to get his minutes. Even considering the fact that unlike Cooper he will have plenty of minutes against opponent bench units, the huge favorite is Cooper.. PT and Hype will favor him a lot not forgetting he is a pretty damn good player too already.
 
Surely but Cooper will also have the support of Dallas especially after the Luka trade fiasco. Besides, Cooper will have all the playing time he will be able to handle, Harper will have to compete with Fox and Castle in particular to get his minutes. Even considering the fact that unlike Cooper he will have plenty of minutes against opponent bench units, the huge favorite is Cooper.. PT and Hype will favor him a lot not forgetting he is a pretty damn good player too already.
I don't think Harper will win ROTY, but Mavs have some serious issues.
Until Kyrie return their roster easily has the least playmaking potential out of any playoff candidate.
Flagg is a PF and can create advantage with his quickness compared to a lot of PFs.
While he can bully SFs, that's not an ideal solution because Mavs spacing will be really poor with AD insisting to play PF and their Cs offering no spacing.

I think he'll be a better player than the numbers will show in his rookie year.
It's really ironic how much of a better fit would've top2 picks been if they swapped teams.
And to think we were one ball away from having both...

It wouldn't surprise me if VJ, Ace or Tre win ROTY regardless of Harper and Flagg being better players.
Those three will be able to do whatever they want and their numbers will surely be inflated. Kind of like Castle's after the all-star break.
 
Those guys had a big hand in putting those teams together, Mitch reaping the benefits of Wemby taking a leap and an overall much improved, healthy roster isn't going to fool anyone and we shouldn't conflate the 2. In fact I might argue the more dominant Wemby is the less likely Mitch is credited for Spurs wins.
Are you sure that's true? Does put together mean bring in a few role players?

Mike Brown was with the Warriors and joined the Kings in late May '22 after the Kings had Fox, Sabonis, Barnes their three leading minutes guys and 3 most important players (Barnes is arguable but 82 games, 33mpg, clear core piece). They also already had Davion Mitchell and Trey Lyles, 5 of their 8-man rotation was already there, but that was really a 2-man show with role players. Brown was there when they drafted Murray, signed Monk, and traded for Huerter and all those where likely his doing. But the core of the team was put together when Brown was in GSW.

Same for Thibs. Signed 7-30-20, Randle, Barrett, Bullock, Mitchell Robinson, Payton. That's their 3 best guys and 2 more of their top 8. Thibs brought Rose and Gibson who combined for 80 games played, and he was prolly responsible for signing Burks and Noel and traded for rookie Quickley. Thibs system was the reason for improvement no doubt and he deserved that award, but the core was there.

Mitch inarguably has had a bigger part in putting this Spurs squad together (and developing Wemby/Castle/etc). He certainly had a bigger part in getting Fox to SA than Brown/Thibs did with Sabonis/Randle because those guys played 0 part in that.

Maybe a more dominant Wemby makes Mitch less likely, that's certainly fair and very possible. And Mitch's success obvi depends on Wemby.
But these awards are as much about narrative than performance. First yr head coach, first job, 22 to 34 wins when the GOAT goes down then Wemby/Fox go down as interrim, helps mold a 3rd yr Wemby into a bona fide MVP candidate, molds a UConn utility man into ROY and more, helps shepherd Fox back into star form, etc. He does that and wins 48+ games, its gonna take a hell of a narrative for anyone else to win it, like Atkinson last yr. The COTY often goes to first yr guys, Mitch is technically that.

The narrative matters and I think the 3rd yr narrative cuts very hard against Wemby as MVP but the 1st yr & 1st job cuts very hard for Mitch. IMO unless Wemby goes 30/12/5/5 he won't even have a shot. Its the reason he didn't win DPOY. Can't give it to a rookie. I seriously doubt the media votes for a 3rd yr Wemby over the top4 unless he blows everyone away.
I want that to happen, btw. But if he wins MVP, I'd expect Mitch to win COTY too.
 
If Wemby wins MVP, the chances of Mitch winning CoY too are very high. It's very rare to see a first time coach that takes a lottery team to contender status (what it would take for Wemby to win MVP) and not win CoY, tbh.
This.
Also Brown and Thibs did not put those teams together, the top guys were all already there on both teams.
 
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