Which unlikely thing is likeliest to happen?

[Arguendo]

Alas, the voting doesn’t work that way.

Don’t really care what individual awards the team gets. All I want is for Mitch and the coaching staff to come up with sets that actually integrated players around wemby and hold those not doing it accountable. That’s it.

Exactly, team and narrative the talking heads can fill time with, the talking heads votes, and they listen to each other talk.
It's rarely about actual Coach influence because that's actually extremely hard to truly gauge.

 

[SpursFan86]

Mitch winning COTY. If the Spurs win 50+ games he’s almost a lock to be top 3 in voting tbh.

Wemby winning MVP is a fairly close 2nd.

 

[DAF86]

Do you think Vegas has Spurs at 44.5 wins because of Mitch Johnson? You could probably swap him for a couple dozen other coaches and expectations should not be lower (maybe the other way around). Point is COY award is for coaching, not good fortune, and inheriting a team trending up isn't his merit.

I can see MVP positively influencing COY when coaching actually elevates a player, like D'Antoni and Nash, but for the most part I'd expect everyone to be judged on their own merit. In simple terms, say Spurs win 48 games next season. Is Mitch more likely to win COY if a) Wemby gets MVP or b) Wemby barely played all year (knock on wood)? I think the answer is pretty straight forward.

Of course Mitch would have bigger chances of winning CoY if the Spurs do well without Wemby. That doesn't mean Mitch doesn't have a good chance of winning CoY if Wemby wins MVP.

In fact, if somebody were to tell me, right now, that Wemby is going to win MVP, I would put all my life savings on Mitch winning CoY too. If Wemby wins MVP, it probably means the Spurs are "contenderish" status. If the Spurs are contenders, of course Mitch is gonna be considered for CoY and he will have the upper hand over coaches that have already won the award or that are coaching teams that were already good last season. It's just basic logic.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd say someone like Castle makes an All-Defensive team because our defensive rating will be much better

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Of course Mitch would have bigger chances of winning CoY if the Spurs do well without Wemby. That doesn't mean Mitch doesn't have a good chance of winning RoY if Wemby wins MVP.

In fact, if somebody were to tell me, right now, that Wemby is going to win MVP, I would put all my life savings on Mitch winning CoY too. If Wemby wins MVP, it probably means the Spurs are "contenderish" status. If the Spurs are contenders, of course Mitch is gonna be considered for RoY and he will have the upper hand over coaches that have already won the award or that are coaching teams that were already good last season. It's just basic logic.

very confusing take. Our coach can somehow win rookie of the year?

 

[RC_Drunkford]

For the poll the strongest shot is imo Mitch.

I'd love a Victor MVP but I mean.. there are 3 heavy favorites SGA, Jokic and fit Luka. If the Spurs overachieve with direct spot to PO with near 50 wins, Mitch would be a candidate, difficult ? yes but more likely than MVP Victor

Luka won't win it with the Lakers in play-in territory. They will be the 9th seed. That team is lottery bound.

 

[brazil]

Luka won't win it with the Lakers in play-in territory. They will be the 9th seed. That team is lottery bound.

A couple of thoughts here...

- Westbrook, Jokic won mvp with 47 wins
- I don't know what the Lakers will do but last year they got 50 wins without Luka half of the year, yes they lost AD but AD missed 40 games last season and Lakers went 26-14 anyway. Yes Lebron is old and shit but I don't see them 9th next season
- Fit Luka is quite scary... during the eurobasket he averaged 35 points in 33 mn with 9 rebounds 8 assists... he had 39 points against France and Germany so no stat padding against weak teams, with Lebron slowing down he will be asked to score even more... I would not surprised to see above 35-36 pgm which we havent seen since Jordan and Bryant a while back (also Harden rockets)

For me he is a top 3 candidate and a solid one

 

[Corso]

For me, my vote would be the Spurs making a top 3 seed.

 

[Arguendo]

Luka won't win it with the Lakers in play-in territory. They will be the 9th seed. That team is lottery bound.

This will be interesting. I think voters will really really want to get it to Luka and LAL.
Luka will have a massive chip on his shoulder and (BIG IF) Ayton and Rui (even Hayes) stay healthy they plus Reaves and LaRavia are all about to have the best/most efficient seasons of their careers.
Knecht shot almost 43% with Luka.
Brons ancient, but a force until proven he's finished and he played really well next to Luka.
Plus the NBA is sure to gift the Lakers something, always do.

OKC and Den 1 & 2, then LAL, LAC, Minny battling for #3. I thinks its more likely Houston is fighting with us for 6-8 vs #3 without a PG.
Can't wait for the season to start!

 

[Arguendo]

A couple of thoughts here...

- Westbrook, Jokic won mvp with 47 wins
- I don't know what the Lakers will do but last year they got 50 wins without Luka half of the year, yes they lost AD but AD missed 40 games last season and Lakers went 26-14 anyway. Yes Lebron is old and shit but I don't see them 9th next season
- Fit Luka is quite scary... during the eurobasket he averaged 35 points in 33 mn with 9 rebounds 8 assists... he had 39 points against France and Germany so no stat padding against weak teams, with Lebron slowing down he will be asked to score even more... I would not surprised to see above 35-36 pgm which we havent seen since Jordan and Bryant a while back (also Harden rockets)

For me he is a top 3 candidate and a solid one

Fat, happy Luka is scary. Five NBA1 in 5 yrs, would've been 6 last yr if not for the new rule. 34/9.2/9.8 with a center-esque 61.7 TS% in his last full yr.
Fit, pissed off, something to prove entering his prime Luka?
That dude could have another gear or two
We haven't seen his prime yet

 

[LeBowen]

Luka is the best player in the league that still hasn't won the MVP award.
I actually don't think his season will be much different to 2006 Kobe.
He'll have to do it all.
Lebron is washed and injured, Reaves is a solid third option, but nothing more.
The rest of the roster is a joke for the most part if we're talking in contender context, that team isn't getting anywhere.
Off topic, but I truly believe our supporting cast is way better even with wing issues we have, it's just going to be about if Wemby/Fox are a better 1-2 punch than Luka/Lebron.

Harper/Castle vs Reaves/Smart
Devin/Champ vs Vincent/Knecht
DJG/Waters vs Bronny/Nick Smith Jr
Barnes/Keldon vs Hachimura/LaRavia
Sochan/Bryant vs Vanderbilt/Kleber
Kornet/Olynyk vs Ayton/Hayes

I'll be really upset if we don't finish the season above that awful roster.

 

[brazil]

Fat, happy Luka is scary. Five NBA1 in 5 yrs, would've been 6 last yr if not for the new rule. 34/9.2/9.8 with a center-esque 61.7 TS% in his last full yr.
Fit, pissed off, something to prove entering his prime Luka?
That dude could have another gear or two
We haven't seen his prime yet

+1

 

[Arguendo]

Harper/Castle vs Reaves/Smart
Devin/Champ vs Vincent/Knecht
DJG/Waters vs Bronny/Nick Smith Jr
Barnes/Keldon vs Hachimura/LaRavia
Sochan/Bryant vs Vanderbilt/Kleber
Kornet/Olynyk vs Ayton/Hayes

I'll be really upset if we don't finish the season above that awful roster.

Mostly yup on the comps, but I think there's ton of reclamation/untapped potential on that roster. Don't think they can beat OKC or Den without luck though.
I'll take Rui over Barnes, Jake over KJ, Vanderbilt over Sochan (I'd absolutely trade our 3 for those 3 for both combined talent and fit), and a 40 games of Kleber's chemistry with Luka over whatever we get from CB this yr.

I'm expecting Luka to be the best player in the league this yr and lift everyone else up with his passing and drive/intensity. OKC/SGA conserve for playoffs
Bron/Reaves/Knecht/Hachi/LaRavia could all easily get back to (or just remain) 40+% shooters with Luka. I also just can't buy Bron is done until its obvious, there's simply no historic comp Malone's body with Kidd's passing and late career shooting (at least potential) with the best medical/dietary/training help in world history. We was a Top10/15 last yr and right now, I expect him to be a more impactful player than Fox. Ayton can finish and boards much better can Gafford, can easily see a career revival. That'd be classic Lakers.

Their D won't be good, but they're gonna score a ton if Luka is Luka and Bron maintains 90%

 

[LeBowen]

Mostly yup on the comps, but I think there's ton of reclamation/untapped potential on that roster. Don't think they can beat OKC or Den without luck though.
I'll take Rui over Barnes, Jake over KJ, Vanderbilt over Sochan (I'd absolutely trade our 3 for those 3 for both combined talent and fit), and a 40 games of Kleber's chemistry with Luka over whatever we get from CB this yr.

Current Kleber is worse than Zach Collins, agreed with the rest.

I'm expecting Luka to be the best player in the league this yr and lift everyone else up with his passing and drive/intensity. OKC/SGA conserve for playoffs
Bron/Reaves/Knecht/Hachi/LaRavia could all easily get back to (or just remain) 40+% shooters with Luka. I also just can't buy Bron is done until its obvious, there's simply no historic comp Malone's body with Kidd's passing and last career shooting with the best medical/dietary/training help in world history. We was a Top10/15 last yr and right now, I expect him to be a more impactful player than Fox. Ayton can finish and boards much better can Gafford, can easily see a career revival. That'd be classic Lakers.

Their D won't be good, but they're gonna score a ton if Luka is Luka and Bron maintains 90%

Their defense will be atrocious, imo.
I don't see how can they fix it.
Even if Luka levels up, he'll still be an awful defender.
Same goes for Lebron.
Ayton is obviously garbage, so is Reaves.
I guess they're expecting Smart to win DPOY again.

 

[Mugen]

Fox making All NBA Third Team tbh.

 

[OK Computer]

Would Wemby winning mvp make him the youngest ever?

 

[LeBowen]

Would Wemby winning mvp make him the youngest ever?

Rose was 22 years and 6 months old when he won.

Wemby turns 22 in January, so he'd be the youngest.

 

[DAF86]

very confusing take. Our coach can somehow win rookie of the year?

He's a rookie coach afterall.

 

[Arguendo]

Rose was 22 years and 6 months old when he won.

Wemby turns 22 in January, so he'd be the youngest.

Such a shame, he was so athletic and so quick and just hitting his stride. #1 side and best D in basketball.
That knee injury might've changed NBA history, two-way young core with Rose, Deng, Noah, Taj, and freaking rookie Jimmy Butler setup of for a multi-yr run with Boozer, Rip Hamilton and Korver being the stabilizing late prime Vets. Would've loved to see that D take out the Heatles and play OKC that yr.

 

[ambchang]

Issue with rose is that he was too small and was shut down by the Beatles even before the injuries. That’s the issue with teams relying on PG sized players as their lead point of attack, and especially as a scorer.

Other than Isiah Thomas, and obviously curry, I struggle to think of another guy 6’3” or under who led his team to a title. (Those Seattle SuperSonics and Washington bullets don’t count because the league was god awful). Thomas had Dumars, rodman and Laimbeer, along with salley, Edwards, microwave, Aguirre to balance out the scoring load and really won due to their defence and the bench. Curry was an anomaly due to his insane shooting, and he was teamed up with the second best shooter of all time, along with a fantastic defensive system.

Rose didn’t have any of that.

 

[Ariel]

Of course Mitch would have bigger chances of winning CoY if the Spurs do well without Wemby. That doesn't mean Mitch doesn't have a good chance of winning RoY if Wemby wins MVP.

In fact, if somebody were to tell me, right now, that Wemby is going to win MVP, I would put all my life savings on Mitch winning CoY too. If Wemby wins MVP, it probably means the Spurs are "contenderish" status. If the Spurs are contenders, of course Mitch is gonna be considered for RoY and he will have the upper hand over coaches that have already won the award or that are coaching teams that were already good last season. It's just basic logic.

I'd be wary of banking on something that happened 4 times in the past 20 years ('19 Giannis & Bud, '16 Kerr & Steph, '11 Thibs & Rose, '09 Mike Brown & LeBron). Betting my life savings on a 20% chance doesn't sound like basic logic to me, but to each their own I guess.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

He's a rookie coach afterall.

there's no rookie of the year award for coaches

 

[RC_Drunkford]

This will be interesting. I think voters will really really want to get it to Luka and LAL.
Luka will have a massive chip on his shoulder and (BIG IF) Ayton and Rui (even Hayes) stay healthy they plus Reaves and LaRavia are all about to have the best/most efficient seasons of their careers.
Knecht shot almost 43% with Luka.
Brons ancient, but a force until proven he's finished and he played really well next to Luka.
Plus the NBA is sure to gift the Lakers something, always do.

OKC and Den 1 & 2, then LAL, LAC, Minny battling for #3. I thinks its more likely Houston is fighting with us for 6-8 vs #3 without a PG.
Can't wait for the season to start!

Ayton is a scrub who loves playing video games all night instead of playing basketball. This dude said last week he didn't have one workout with Bron or Luka. They lost their best defender in DFS. Marcus Smart played 54 games in the last 2 years and got healthy yesterday. LeBron is out for the start of the season and can't play defense anymore.

This team is Doncic surrounded by a bunch of washed up traffic cones. OKC, Spurs, Rockets, Clippers, Wolves, Nuggets, Dubs, Mavs are all better than them and it ain't even close. That's 8 teams.

 

[DAF86]

I'd be wary of banking on something that happened 4 times in the past 20 years ('19 Giannis & Bud, '16 Kerr & Steph, '11 Thibs & Rose, '09 Mike Brown & LeBron). Betting my life savings on a 20% chance doesn't sound like basic logic to me, but to each their own I guess.

Guess what all those years have in common: Both guys (MVP and CoY) winning the award for the first time.

 

[DAF86]

there's no rookie of the year award for coaches

I know, bro. I was just fucking around because of the typo I had.