Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

frenchfred said:
But then you didn’t come back to say anything positive. As I said in the thread, learn to balance your comments
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Because i expect him to play like an mvp everynight because i root for him to be the best player in yhe league and any suckage will make me criticize him because im not a blind homer.Also he played 35minutes tonight which is i like. Much better if he plays 35mpg the rest of the season.
 
BatManu20 said:
Wemby’s defense won us this game tbh. He dominated that end tonight.
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Victor on a 5-15 shooting game simply dominated this game, he imposed his will, he disrupted everything Detroit had on offense and clean the boards like a mad men not forgetting to pull another great 4th quarter.
 
wEmBoY said:
Because i expect him to play like an mvp everynight because i root for him to be the best player in yhe league and any suckage will make me criticize him because im not a blind homer.Also he played 35minutes tonight which is i like. Much better if he plays 35mpg the rest of the season.
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so you are the type of person who basically never congratulates somebody you expect to be good? You are like my mom :st-lol: Never got a congratulation when bringing only As but sure got yelled at when I brought a B or C home
 
Wemby might enter the MVP converstation spurs continue the winning streak to 20 games and him putting 28/14/4/4 statline.
 
wEmBoY said:
Wemby might enter the MVP converstation spurs continue the winning streak to 20 games and him putting 28/14/4/4 statline.
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Do you mean the rest of the season, or do you mean you want him to finish averaging around 28 ppg (if so, that's not going to happen).

Did you actually do the math at all? I'm not great at math, but from my calculations, for Victor to average 30 ppg, he's going to have to score around 40 ppg every game the rest of the season. So to get the 28 ppg, he'll have to average over 35ppg. It's not going to happen. Forget about the scoring stats. It's too late in the season to significantly change one's averages that much.
 
Ice009 said:
Do you mean the rest of the season, or do you mean you want him to finish averaging around 28 ppg (if so, that's not going to happen).

Did you actually do the math at all? I'm not great at math, but from my calculations, for Victor to average 30 ppg, he's going to have to score around 40 ppg every game the rest of the season. So to get the 28 ppg, he'll have to average over 35ppg. It's not going to happen. Forget about the scoring stats. It's too late in the season to significantly change one's averages that much.
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I mean the rest of the season and with spurs winning 20 straight games.

I think he can up his ppg around 27-28 if he play 35mpg(like tonights game)the rest of the season .
 
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scott said:
The only way Wemby would ever get traded is if he forced himself or Nico Harrison were hired here, and both scenarios result in a liquidation value which isn't Wemby's true market value.
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Historically it's been primarily Laker scams that have been involved in fake trades of this magnitude.
Wilt from 76ers the year after he won a Chip in Philly.
Kream using the religion card. MMMMmaybe there really was Islam masques in LA that fit his needs. Or maybe it was another Buss scam. Hmmmn one wonders.
Snack Oneal played out his Orlando contract so not trade there.
Nico paid off to send Doncic away you already mentioned. But sticking with only large superstars.....it's only been Wilt and Kream that i can recall.

Barring that new Laker owner offering Wemby half his kingdom, i just don't see another scam buying Wemby away.
 
frenchfred said:
But then you didn’t come back to say anything positive. As I said in the thread, learn to balance your comments
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You people seem to think he’s a Spurs fan or a Wemby fan because of his handle. He’s a flat out troll, and you should probably stop wasting your time on him.
 
Detroit and these shady refs tonight just made the whoopin Wemby and the Spurs are gonna put on them in about 10 days 10x worse. You can't unsee it at this point, some memo, some super secret text chain has this Charmin Soft era suddenly being allowed to do the bullshit the Pistons and refs did to Wemby tonight. Play football five on 1 on defense. Except it was more obvious when that mandate extended to the rest of the Spurs. Luckily, no NBA player is good at playing football for 48 minutes and an elite level.

The entire league is definitely afraid of seeing Wimby average 40 or more points a game and the rules are changed for him. And now it's entire team. Like I said, Wemby Rules are just the old Jordan Rules, and this is what it looks like in today's Charmin Soft Society of the NBA today. Where you can't sneeze on players like SGA and others. Instead of one team doing it to one guy It's now it's the whole league doing it to one guy, now the "Deeetroit baaasket ball" tried to do it to the entire goddamn team.

I give Sweeney a Mitch credit for keeping the guys in the game tonight mentally. And hope to God that this bullshit doesn't cost us a fucking player. It's obvious that's what the game is. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I can't unsee what I've seen.

PS,
I decided to post less on this board and the internet in general. I come to, you know, peek in for a moment and this thread turns into like some funhouse reflection of that garbage political thread on the other place. I mean, what we doing here guys?
 
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scott said:
I posted this in the Kings thread, but it probably better fits here...

This my be Spurs Colored Glasses, but I think one of the biggest things Wemby can do to insert him into the MVP discussion would be to finish with the #1 seed AND do these things:
  • Go 4-1 against SGA and OKC (done)
  • Go 4-0 against Jokic and DEN (which would be 3-0 for Wemby, since he missed the first game)
  • Go 2-0 against Cade and DET (starts tonight)
If the Spurs are the top seed in the west, and Wemby has won the battles against all of the other MVP candidates, it's going to be really hard for a voter to look the other way when they'll also be awarding him the DPOY. When they passed up Kawhi for Steph in 2015-16 in MVP voting (when Kawhi won DPOY), it was easy to turn to Steph leading GSW to 73-9. There is no way you don't award the best player on that team the MVP.

That is also a great demonstration of how defense absolutely plays into the voting conversation, despite whatever some troll on this forum thinks. Kawhi only averaged 21ppg that year but was DPOY and was considered the best two-way player in the league. LeBron had significantly better offensive stats than Kawhi that year, but voters still gave the #2 spot in the MVP race to Nephew.

If Wemby pulls us to the #1 seed and dominates all of those other MVP candidates, the conversation will get very real.
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Yes...agree. The media and voters still prioritize winning in the end. If Wemby can achieve that 3 bullet points and Spurs get best overall record in the league, even if his stats are modest (maybe 23 pts, 11 pts, 3 asts, 2.5 blks), he still stand a good chance to win MVP.

I believe voters are humans too (can be persuaded)....add in some strong marketing campaign and narratives will also definitely come a long way in putting Wemby as the frontrunner for MVP
 
spursparker9 said:
Yes...agree. The media and voters still prioritize winning in the end. If Wemby can achieve that 3 bullet points and Spurs get best overall record in the league, even if his stats are modest (maybe 23 pts, 11 pts, 3 asts, 2.5 blks), he still stand a good chance to win MVP.

I believe voters are humans too (can be persuaded)....add in some strong marketing campaign and narratives will also definitely come a long way in putting Wemby as the frontrunner for MVP
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The fact that people have to break out a full string‑theory equation just to justify giving Victor their MVP vote is the proof. If your argument requires quantum physics to make sense, maybe the voters aren’t exactly the intellectual elite—and maybe they shouldn’t be trusted with handing out MVPs in the first place.

PS. This peek back in on this board has been exhausting, see y'all in a few. Go sours Go.
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MVP has, is, and always will be based on narratives, and those narratives changes year by year. However, with the exception of Westbrook, I can't think of an MVP whose team finished lower than 3rd seed in their conference, and Westbrook had the triple double season, which wasn't done since the Big O 60 years or so prior. In fact most guys finished 1st or 2nd in their conference, and people have been complaining about Embiid winning it the year the 76ers finished 3rd in the weak East, in a year where people just couldn't give Jokic another MVP to put him in rarified air of winning 3 straight along with Bird, Wilt and Russell). In other words, I just do not see anyway Luka will win it this season.

Jokic is hanging by a thread with the 65-game threshold (same with Wemby) and they are the 4th seed right now. Nobody in Houston will win it, nobody in Boston will win it, Jalen Brunson just isn't all that good, so that leaves Shai, Cade and Wemby.

PlayerArguments ForArguments Against
Shai
  • OKC tops the standings
  • Shai is putting up amazing stats, traditional and advanced
  • Shai on/off is +10.1 on a VERY good OKC team.
  • OKCs not doing all that great since their red-hot start. They are now dangerously close to the Piston and the Spurs for the best record in the league when they should've been heads and shoulders above everyone else
  • Shai on/off is actually -0.9 in DRtg
Cade
  • Pistons are surprisingly 1st in the East, and neck to neck with OKC for the best record in the NBA.
  • He is the entire offence on the Pistons, nobody else is remotely close to OKC or Spurs 2nd best creator on offence.
  • Cade's on/off is +8.8
  • His stats, traditional and advanced, are good, not great.
  • He doesn't even lead his team in WS/48, OBPM (Duren), or DBPM (Ausar).
  • His DRTG on/off is -2.0
Wemby
  • Spurs are a surprising 2nd seed in the very competitive West.
  • Wemby's advanced stats are very good, leading the league in defensive rebounds per 100, blocks per 100, blks %, DRB% and DRtg
  • His all-star counterpart is a sub-in, even though the team is well-balanced and have many options.
  • His defensive presence is incredible, in the conversation with the Bill Russells and Hakeem Olajuwons of lore.
  • He has an incredible on/off of +13.3
  • His traditional stats are good, not crazy. Even his blocks are "only" 2.8.
  • His offensive stats are pedestrian for an MVP candidate, both advanced and traditional. He can take over, but he has consistency issues (especially earlier on).
  • He is blocking way less shots this year than the last two years (still league leading though).
  • His offensive on/off is only +5.4
  • He is too young, hasn't paid his dues yet.

Shai should win it based on record and stats, but the Thunder has looked rather pedestrian lately. As odd as it sounds, I think is actually the front runner, depending on how the Pistons close the year.
 
If the ESPN types embrace Wemby as the face of the NBA, along with a feeling that he should have have won DPOY once or twice already, and that the Spurs are an exciting success story...then I can easily talk myself into Wemby as MVP.

Now if the reporters have some nativist prejudice I suppose Cade would be a possibility.

I still think the Joker is the MVP, but I also think if the Spurs/Wemby finish strong then he'll win it. Or at least we'll have the tradition where people will say he was robbed and how could the voters screw this up etc.

Anyway. Just rambling...
 
Limguoguolo said:
I don't know where the other French people on this forum live, or even what social class they belong to, but in my area, I've only ever met one person who was clearly interested in money. And it's not even overtly, as Americans might be; it was only after years of knowing him that I realized that the various activities he was involved in weren't driven by passion, but by the desire to see if there was money to be made. And he ultimately chose highly questionable activities in the hope of making money.

The vast majority of people I have known are mainly driven by their passions, by the pleasure of being with family and friends, and discovering new things. Money is never an end in itself, but always a means to an end.

And if there is one cliché about the French that is perfectly true, it is that it is considered vulgar to flaunt your money or talk about how much you earn. Doing so will immediately make you come across as superficial and self-interested, and therefore incapable of holding a conversation. This is not a cliché; the majority of French people pay much more attention to human relationships and their living environment than to money. The American way of life celebrates individual success, while the French way of life celebrates the richness of social and personal relationships. If French people claim that this is not true, let them tell me where they live and what their social class is...

Two things should not be confused: opportunity and purpose. French athletes are driven by a love of the game. This is a difference emphasized by many French players when they compare themselves to American players. For American players, basketball is a way out of poverty. When you succeed, you are proud to show signs of wealth. You'll never see that with French players (who nevertheless have a much more developed American culture than their compatriots and very often have diverse roots, but for example, many have African roots, and it seems to me that many Africans share these values).
Risacher, whatever we think of him as a player, said that he stood out from his teammates precisely because, apart from his car, he remained French in his mind and didn't flaunt his money in other ways.

For Americans, sport and money are an end in themselves. For a French person, it's passion, often a passion for beautiful moves, a passion for the history of the game. No player will turn down a big contract... if the opportunity arises. Yabusele lost money by coming to the NBA. Big contracts in Europe are more lucrative than small contracts in the NBA. But French players sometimes have opportunities in the NBA: the franchises know what they can bring.

Apart from Victor, franchise must picture the typical French player in the image of Nicolas Batum and Boris Diaw. Typical glue guys. Their style of play perfectly reflects the French mentality. Both were unhappy in Charlotte because they were asked to be “American,” to score points, to earn their money... That's not how it works with many French players or French people. Relationships and the living environment are more important than being the star player of a franchise in the hope of earning more and more money. Yabusele didn't turn down $5 million in the hope of earning more this summer, he did it because he wants to play. In any case, if no one offers him a contract, we already know that there have been offers from European clubs.

French players love the game, they want to be respected and receive the contracts they are entitled to, not because they are in love with money, but because they care about equality and fairness: if their colleagues are entitled to this money, they don't want to be treated differently. Typically French once again.
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tl;dr: french guy writes extensive essay on why french people are morally superior
 
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