Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

So instead of politics, let's move to a different topic: How much do you think Wembanyama would fetch in a potential trade? Two or three first round picks and 3 young top-10 drafted starting caliber prospects?
Bum can't be consistent enough scoring 40, grabbing 20, and blocking 8 shots a night. Way short of @wEmBoY 's expectations.
I say fuck im and trade im for a 5-6 second-rounders and a bag of chips.
 
Something like Jokic/Ant and 3 first rounders.

Top 10 guy + multiple first rounders

which Ant? Giannis or the guy on Minnesota?

the fear with an older player around 30 is that they might not have more time left than Wemby. the value of trading Wemby would be to get a player with a longer longevity.
 
Yeah soccer players take pay cuts all the time!

/s

This is off topic tbh... for one there is no salary gap in football so there is no reason for a footballer to take a pay cut. Then football players choose all the time to take less salary to play in a competitive league in a great team. To take Mbappe example cited by Manny, He is indeed playing for much less money in Real than in Paris. If he wanted to maximise financial gains, he would have stayed in Paris.

Then it is undeniable that Europeans are less driven as a whole by money than american it does not mean they are not interested in it of course. I worked in France, Spain, Germany, Michigan and Brazil money is obviously for all those countries the first motivation but in Europe or even in Brazil other factors are very important like quality of life, work content... they take decisions all the time to gain less in counterpart of a more rewarding job or quality life, this is less the case in US. Exceptions apply obviously.
 
So instead of politics, let's move to a different topic: How much do you think Wembanyama would fetch in a potential trade? Two or three first round picks and 3 young top-10 drafted starting caliber prospects?
It's an interesting question, and one that has no solution, IMO.

There is no possibility that Wemby would ever get traded at his true market value, because 1) no team would ever be stupid enough to trade him and 2) no team can possibly assemble the assets required to make the trade.

To address #2, you'd basically have to find the rare circumstance where a team has legit all-star caliber players and draft capital from other teams that project to be in the high lottery. SGA + other capital, Jalen Johnson + the NOP pick, etc. as a starting point. But as we saw with Giannis, ATL isn't willing to put Jalen Johnson OR the NOP pick on the table for him, so teams seem reluctant to completely gut their teams to acquire true superstars, because then you'd left with a superstar and nothing else. To me, this is a sign that the trade market is working very efficiently and the trade and cap rules are working as designed.

The only way Wemby would ever get traded is if he forced himself or Nico Harrison were hired here, and both scenarios result in a liquidation value which isn't Wemby's true market value.

This also highlights something that I think gets overlooked: max contracts are honestly too small for the absolute best players. People always say stuff like "Player X isn't worth the max" - but they actually are worth that... it's just that they are just being compared against other max players who are better and would be paid a lot more if not for the max barrier. If Wemby or Jokic were free agents without a max, they'd each easily get 50%+ of the cap, IMO.
 
I posted this in the Kings thread, but it probably better fits here...

This my be Spurs Colored Glasses, but I think one of the biggest things Wemby can do to insert him into the MVP discussion would be to finish with the #1 seed AND do these things:
  • Go 4-1 against SGA and OKC (done)
  • Go 4-0 against Jokic and DEN (which would be 3-0 for Wemby, since he missed the first game)
  • Go 2-0 against Cade and DET (starts tonight)
If the Spurs are the top seed in the west, and Wemby has won the battles against all of the other MVP candidates, it's going to be really hard for a voter to look the other way when they'll also be awarding him the DPOY. When they passed up Kawhi for Steph in 2015-16 in MVP voting (when Kawhi won DPOY), it was easy to turn to Steph leading GSW to 73-9. There is no way you don't award the best player on that team the MVP.

That is also a great demonstration of how defense absolutely plays into the voting conversation, despite whatever some troll on this forum thinks. Kawhi only averaged 21ppg that year but was DPOY and was considered the best two-way player in the league. LeBron had significantly better offensive stats than Kawhi that year, but voters still gave the #2 spot in the MVP race to Nephew.

If Wemby pulls us to the #1 seed and dominates all of those other MVP candidates, the conversation will get very real.
 
PSG - where amazing players come play for less than a million dollars! I love how Mbappe is playing for free over at Real Madrid because he didn't want to make anymore money. The French hate being rich so much they never had colonies all over the world!

Wemby is going to take the max - and he should - and we don't' need to live in a fantasyland involving making nonsense statements about any countries
I don't know where the other French people on this forum live, or even what social class they belong to, but in my area, I've only ever met one person who was clearly interested in money. And it's not even overtly, as Americans might be; it was only after years of knowing him that I realized that the various activities he was involved in weren't driven by passion, but by the desire to see if there was money to be made. And he ultimately chose highly questionable activities in the hope of making money.

The vast majority of people I have known are mainly driven by their passions, by the pleasure of being with family and friends, and discovering new things. Money is never an end in itself, but always a means to an end.

And if there is one cliché about the French that is perfectly true, it is that it is considered vulgar to flaunt your money or talk about how much you earn. Doing so will immediately make you come across as superficial and self-interested, and therefore incapable of holding a conversation. This is not a cliché; the majority of French people pay much more attention to human relationships and their living environment than to money. The American way of life celebrates individual success, while the French way of life celebrates the richness of social and personal relationships. If French people claim that this is not true, let them tell me where they live and what their social class is...

Two things should not be confused: opportunity and purpose. French athletes are driven by a love of the game. This is a difference emphasized by many French players when they compare themselves to American players. For American players, basketball is a way out of poverty. When you succeed, you are proud to show signs of wealth. You'll never see that with French players (who nevertheless have a much more developed American culture than their compatriots and very often have diverse roots, but for example, many have African roots, and it seems to me that many Africans share these values).

Risacher, whatever we think of him as a player, said that he stood out from his teammates precisely because, apart from his car, he remained French in his mind and didn't flaunt his money in other ways.

For Americans, sport and money are an end in themselves. For a French person, it's passion, often a passion for beautiful moves, a passion for the history of the game. No player will turn down a big contract... if the opportunity arises. Yabusele lost money by coming to the NBA. Big contracts in Europe are more lucrative than small contracts in the NBA. But French players sometimes have opportunities in the NBA: the franchises know what they can bring.

Apart from Victor, franchise must picture the typical French player in the image of Nicolas Batum and Boris Diaw. Typical glue guys. Their style of play perfectly reflects the French mentality. Both were unhappy in Charlotte because they were asked to be “American,” to score points, to earn their money... That's not how it works with many French players or French people. Relationships and the living environment are more important than being the star player of a franchise in the hope of earning more and more money. Yabusele didn't turn down $5 million in the hope of earning more this summer, he did it because he wants to play. In any case, if no one offers him a contract, we already know that there have been offers from European clubs.

French players love the game, they want to be respected and receive the contracts they are entitled to, not because they are in love with money, but because they care about equality and fairness: if their colleagues are entitled to this money, they don't want to be treated differently. Typically French once again.
 
But then you didn’t come back to say anything positive. As I said in the thread, learn to balance your comments
Because i expect him to play like an mvp everynight because i root for him to be the best player in yhe league and any suckage will make me criticize him because im not a blind homer.Also he played 35minutes tonight which is i like. Much better if he plays 35mpg the rest of the season.
 
Wemby’s defense won us this game tbh. He dominated that end tonight.

Victor on a 5-15 shooting game simply dominated this game, he imposed his will, he disrupted everything Detroit had on offense and clean the boards like a mad men not forgetting to pull another great 4th quarter.
 
Because i expect him to play like an mvp everynight because i root for him to be the best player in yhe league and any suckage will make me criticize him because im not a blind homer.Also he played 35minutes tonight which is i like. Much better if he plays 35mpg the rest of the season.
so you are the type of person who basically never congratulates somebody you expect to be good? You are like my mom :st-lol: Never got a congratulation when bringing only As but sure got yelled at when I brought a B or C home
 
Wemby might enter the MVP converstation spurs continue the winning streak to 20 games and him putting 28/14/4/4 statline.
 
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