Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

[spurraider21]

Since 1985, any team that has ever gotten a top 3 or 4 pick has luck to thank for it, including the 86-87 Spurs and the 96-97 Spurs. It’s not just the present and future. Luck has played a role in our past, too, right down to a local judge declaring that George Gervin’s contract was the property of the San Antonio Spurs, and not the Virginia Squires.

The most important thing is to not fuck that up, and we haven’t. In six trips, we’ve pulled David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama, Stephon Castle, and Dylan Harper, 6 for 6, and it looks like we might have dodged the curse of #2. I challenge you to find another team that has never missed on as many lottery ball selected picks as we’ve had, 1-3 up until 2019, and 1-4 since.

hard not to be encouraged by Harper but he hasnt played a game yet

 

[Exstatic]

hard not to be encouraged by Harper but he hasnt played a game yet

I’ll go out on a limb, and say that he won’t bust, and he’ll be really good. Number one overall picks rarely bust, and he would have been that in like 4 of the last 6 drafts. NBA offspring also have an absurdly high hit rate.

 

[Sugus]

You’re unhinged. Making straw man arguments to rant against.

Go yell at the moon old man. Talking about “magic” on a basketball message board. Wtf

Lolol, nothing screams "my take is flat-out wrong" like accusing the opposition of delusion. I presented arguments, and a specific Hall of Fame player that completely disproves your argument - what do you got?

I talked basketball alright. You said "He’s 7and a half feet tall. it doesn’t matter how good his ball handling is, he’ll never be able to dribble through traffic. His dribble is just too high". I said - what about Kevin Durant? Is your argument that the "half feet" somehow is the cutoff between being able to dribble in traffic or not?

Make your point and be clear - and leave the personal attacks at Spurstalk, if you'd rather.

 

[Sugus]

A lot of Wembys TOs are the WTF types where he just somehow passed to the other team in simple passes. If he is more careful with the ball and stay alert for every possession he’d probably cut his preseason TO by half.

It would be great if he can improve his handles but I think there are two things he can do to cut down turnovers. One is to be more careful with the ball like I said earlier, the other thing is for him to use his body to his advantage, where he uses his long frame and off arm to shield the ball from the defenders. Once he aced those two things he should be fine.

Exactly. Folks here would have you believing he's physically incapable of making two dribbles towards the hoop or some shit

 

[Ariel]

Since 1985, any team that has ever gotten a top 3 or 4 pick has luck to thank for it, including the 86-87 Spurs and the 96-97 Spurs. It’s not just the present and future. Luck has played a role in our past, too, right down to a local judge declaring that George Gervin’s contract was the property of the San Antonio Spurs, and not the Virginia Squires.

The most important thing is to not fuck that up, and we haven’t. In six trips, we’ve pulled David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama, Stephon Castle, and Dylan Harper, 6 for 6, and it looks like we might have dodged the curse of #2. I challenge you to find another team that has never missed on as many lottery ball selected picks as we’ve had, 1-3 up until 2019, and 1-4 since.

Forgive me if I'm not impressed by not fucking up David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama and Dylan Harper, all extremely easy picks an idiot couldn't have missed. Sean Elliot was before my time so I won't comment, but Castle was SpursTalk top option at that pick (I had Castle, Risacher, Buzelis as top choices for no. 4 in that order), so it's not like they pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Bottom line, it wasn't any great scouting that resulted in those picks not being missed, it was (again) the sheer luck that they were obvious, especially the best ones (David, Tim, Wemby). It isn't just about getting lucky, it's that they got lucky about when they got lucky. The more you think about it the crazier it sounds.

 

[pookenstein]

 

[PanameSpur]

Hate to be the "debbie downer" but I'm far from being satisfied with this roster as many of you seem to be.

We lack shooting and wings, we only have one decent big man to pair with Wemby when we know from.... ever that putting him with another inside/out big is the path to go because of Vic's perimeter and positionless game.

We have too many PG to the point that at least one of them will pay a heavy price for it. Maybe 2 of them.

We're in a way better place for sure and we've some amazing talents for the future (Castle Harper Carter are super exciting tbf) but short term I can only see us reach the POs if Wemby go crazy or opp have a lot of key injuries.

Too many things don't make sense with this roster. We need to surround Wemby with shooting and high passing IQ. We're far from it.

 

[Spurs Homer]

Hate to be the "debbie downer" but I'm far from being satisfied with this roster as many of you seem to be.

We lack shooting and wings, we only have one decent big man to pair with Wemby when we know from.... ever that putting him with another inside/out big is the path to go because of Vic's perimeter and positionless game.

We have too many PG to the point that at least one of them will pay a heavy price for it. Maybe 2 of them.

We're in a way better place for sure and we've some amazing talents for the future (Castle Harper Carter are super exciting tbf) but short term I can only see us reach the POs if Wemby go crazy or opp have a lot of key injuries.

Too many things don't make sense with this roster. We need to surround Wemby with shooting and high passing IQ. We're far from it.

This ^ might have merit - IF

IF- we were 20 games into the season and the spurs were way under .500...
Spurs have yet to open the season and this is just nonsense at this moment.

 

[LeBowen]

We lack shooting and wings

True.

we only have one decent big man to pair with Wemby when we know from.... ever that putting him with another inside/out big is the path to go because of Vic's perimeter and positionless game.

Is it the path to go? We'll run double bigs when we struggle with opposition's physicality, but if we can run opposition off the floor with Wemby at C and a bunch of mobile perimeter players, that's the way to go.

We have too many PG to the point that at least one of them will pay a heavy price for it. Maybe 2 of them.

We don't have too many PGs, it's just that one is overqualified for the job.
Teams run multiple creators and we have 3, their minutes won't be an issue if Harper and Castle prove to be reliable shooters.
If we didn't get Harper in the draft, we would've been looking for a reliable backup PG that's better than Tre.

We're in a way better place for sure and we've some amazing talents for the future (Castle Harper Carter are super exciting tbf) but short term I can only see us reach the POs if Wemby go crazy or opp have a lot of key injuries.

You're acting as if other playoff teams outside of the few best teams in the league have complete rosters.
TWolves don't have a true point guard other than 38 year old Conley and unproven Dillingham.
Mavs have just D'Lo until Kyrie comes back late in the season and he isn't good.
Rockets lost FVV and also lack creators.
Warriors are the smallest team in the conference and their stars are a 36/37 and injury prone.
Lakers lost Lebron for who knows how long and all of their acquisitions have been discarded players that were useless for the past couple of years.
Clippers have permanently injured nephew and are under investigation.
Grizzlies are without JJJ, Morant, Edey and Clarke already. Can't ever stay healthy.
Suns pretty much blew it up, Blazers don't have enough talent, Pelicans are also always injured and depend on Zion not getting fat.

Meanwhile our only issue is not having enough high end wings.

Too many things don't make sense with this roster. We need to surround Wemby with shooting and high passing IQ. We're far from it.

Now you're contradicting yourself.
You want to surround Wemby with high passing IQ, but you said we have too many PGs?

We went from CP3/Tre/Wesley to Fox/Castle/Harper at point and from Collins/Bassey to Kornet/Olynyk at C within one year.
Not everything can be fixed right away, we solved most of our issues.

If Wemby/Castle/Harper develop as well as predicted, we're just one high end 3-D wing away from being a legit playoff team.

 

[OK Computer]

This ^ might have merit - IF

IF- we were 20 games into the season and the spurs were way under .500...
Spurs have yet to open the season and this is just nonsense at this moment.

This is the kind of poster @Rod Strickland was talking about, tbh. This is the extreme opposite end of the reddit sniffer.

 

[Spurs Homer]

This is the kind of poster @Rod Strickland was talking about, tbh. This is the extreme opposite end of the reddit sniffer.

Sure hope you are not referring to me ...my post happens to make sense.

 

[OK Computer]

Sure hope you are not referring to me ...my post happens to make sense.

The guy you quoted

 

[Itzsoweezee]

Lolol, nothing screams "my take is flat-out wrong" like accusing the opposition of delusion. I presented arguments, and a specific Hall of Fame player that completely disproves your argument - what do you got?

I talked basketball alright. You said "He’s 7and a half feet tall. it doesn’t matter how good his ball handling is, he’ll never be able to dribble through traffic. His dribble is just too high". I said - what about Kevin Durant? Is your argument that the "half feet" somehow is the cutoff between being able to dribble in traffic or not?

Make your point and be clear - and leave the personal attacks at Spurstalk, if you'd rather.

You seem unhinged. You’re creating straw man arguments in your own head and talking about magic. Take a break.

 

[brazil]

Hate to be the "debbie downer" but I'm far from being satisfied with this roster as many of you seem to be.

We lack shooting and wings, we only have one decent big man to pair with Wemby when we know from.... ever that putting him with another inside/out big is the path to go because of Vic's perimeter and positionless game.

We have too many PG to the point that at least one of them will pay a heavy price for it. Maybe 2 of them.

We're in a way better place for sure and we've some amazing talents for the future (Castle Harper Carter are super exciting tbf) but short term I can only see us reach the POs if Wemby go crazy or opp have a lot of key injuries.

Too many things don't make sense with this roster. We need to surround Wemby with shooting and high passing IQ. We're far from it.

Pauleta... is that you ?

 

[PanameSpur]

Pauleta... is that you ?

Hey poto, ça va?

Just keeping the "complaining french" cliché alive...

 

[PanameSpur]

This ^ might have merit - IF

IF- we were 20 games into the season and the spurs were way under .500...
Spurs have yet to open the season and this is just nonsense at this moment.

As I usually add, I'd love to be wrong.

This is my pov before the season starts.

 

[brazil]

Hey poto, ça va?

Pas mal ! Tu as trouve le chemin de baselinebums ? good ! Paname dans le nom, une critique acerbe de l'equipe et un point sur comment faire briller Victor... ça ne pouvait etre que toi

 

[PanameSpur]

This is the kind of poster @Rod Strickland was talking about, tbh. This is the extreme opposite end of the reddit sniffer.

You mean a "hater"?

I'm really not. I just separate supporting and analyzing rationally and always augmenting my opinion with facts/logic.

After that, it’s sport and we'll see what happens, many things can't be anticipated like players' availabilities (ours and opp teams) that can change everything of course.

 

[Exstatic]

You mean a "hater"?

I'm really not. I just separate supporting and analyzing rationally and always augmenting my opinion with facts/logic.

After that, it’s sport and we'll see what happens, many things can't be anticipated like players' availabilities (ours and opp teams) that can change everything of course.

It’s not logical to say we have too many PGs, and then say we lack high passing IQ.

 

[NASpurs]

KG kind of talks about his time with Wemby.

 

[absoloot66]

KG kind of talks about his time with Wemby.

At about 36:00, KG claims that Wemby isn't getting any knowledge from Pop ("Pop's home resting.."), Timmy ("...they don't even get along...") or Robinson ("...is outdated")

 

[dn0774]

KG kind of talks about his time with Wemby.

@ 36:10 KG mentions that TD and Vic "don't get along" and don't work with each other. It's KG so who knows that that actually means, just interesting he mentioned it.

 

[k....]

i highly doubt duncan wants to mentor anyone. dude just is too chilled out. Robinson is pretty old and not really a basketball lifer. Bring in LMA and lets be real LMA has plenty to teach and may have energy in the tank since he did not get his multi championships he shot for.

 

[scott]

Since 1985, any team that has ever gotten a top 3 or 4 pick has luck to thank for it, including the 86-87 Spurs and the 96-97 Spurs. It’s not just the present and future. Luck has played a role in our past, too, right down to a local judge declaring that George Gervin’s contract was the property of the San Antonio Spurs, and not the Virginia Squires.

The most important thing is to not fuck that up, and we haven’t. In six trips, we’ve pulled David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama, Stephon Castle, and Dylan Harper, 6 for 6, and it looks like we might have dodged the curse of #2. I challenge you to find another team that has never missed on as many lottery ball selected picks as we’ve had, 1-3 up until 2019, and 1-4 since.

Let's knock on wood with Castle and Harper... still a little too early to tell on each of them, though I'm optimistic. Yes, Castle won ROTY, but so did Michael Carter Williams, Malcom Brogdon and Ben Simmons.

 

[scott]

Forgive me if I'm not impressed by not fucking up David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama and Dylan Harper, all extremely easy picks an idiot couldn't have missed. Sean Elliot was before my time so I won't comment, but Castle was SpursTalk top option at that pick (I had Castle, Risacher, Buzelis as top choices for no. 4 in that order), so it's not like they pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Bottom line, it wasn't any great scouting that resulted in those picks not being missed, it was (again) the sheer luck that they were obvious, especially the best ones (David, Tim, Wemby). It isn't just about getting lucky, it's that they got lucky about when they got lucky. The more you think about it the crazier it sounds.

I was only 9 years old at the time and just a year into my Spurs fandom, but I think Sean was pretty much the consensus #3 pick. He was the reigning Wooden Award winner and also NABC and AP player of the year and two-time All-American First team and led Arizona to their first Final Four.

Glen Rice, one of my favorite non-Spurs from the 90s, was picked right behind Sean so I'm not sure we could have fucked that pick up one way or another (but there is an argument that many would have made in the 90s that the Spurs missed by picking Sean over Rice). Funny enough, 2 of the other top 5 picks in that draft eventually became teammates of Sean on the Spurs anyway! Danny Ferry and JR Reid.