oh, and just in case, Wemby is shooting at 50.6/38/84.3 this season...... by far, his best marks of his NBA carrer. his efficiency is very good. Maybe it coud be even better if he plays closer to the basket, but he's yet very efficient.
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Yes, correct, he needs to take and make some of them, but what I'm saying is - he could try and turn some of those fade-aways into pump fakes and drives to the rim to either score or draw a foul. He seems to be settling, and based on what KD said, that's what the Rockets wanted.
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Going inside when you do so much work on defense requires a lot of conditioning and the injury, mn restrictions, back to back are not helping him in that regard.
Saying that he did not progress offensively is obviously wrong. His 3 pts shooting selection improved a lot, he is at 38% and above 40% since he is back from injuries, more importantly he is not shooting them whatever the situation. he is developing a nice mid range on top of the key, since his return he has also cleaned his TOV 1,4 pg... He had a bad game, it happens
Victor is by far our most consistent player
Saying that he did not progress offensively is obviously wrong. His 3 pts shooting selection improved a lot, he is at 38% and above 40% since he is back from injuries, more importantly he is not shooting them whatever the situation. he is developing a nice mid range on top of the key, since his return he has also cleaned his TOV 1,4 pg... He had a bad game, it happens
Victor is by far our most consistent player
I'm not one of the guys saying he didn't improve (he absolutely has). My only issue is he's letting them off the hook as he gets caught up shooting it all the time. I am certain that is what happened this game. He had some good shooting games against lesser opponents and he thought he could do the same thing this game, but the shots didn't go in, and according to KD, that is what the Rockets wanted him to do anyway.
I don't care about fatigue or any of that. That's not the point. Is that excuse going to be used in the playoffs? Oh, he's fatigued, so therefore, we lose and he gets a pass because he's fatigued? It may have been fatigue, but that's not the point. We're talking about how he's playing within the game. If he's fatigued, well, does that mean we just punt the game? He can't play any differently?
I don't care about fatigue or any of that. That's not the point. Is that excuse going to be used in the playoffs? Oh, he's fatigued, so therefore, we lose and he gets a pass because he's fatigued? It may have been fatigue, but that's not the point. We're talking about how he's playing within the game. If he's fatigued, well, does that mean we just punt the game? He can't play any differently?
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I think it’s more of a matter of finding other ways to score when his shot isn’t falling, part of being a complete star. You’re right to say his averages are improving, but he can be very streaky, and often he seems like he just decides how he’s playing that night and doesn’t adjust well.
When nights like tonight happen, he need to get going down low and make use of his size, either to score or to facilitate open shots for the team. He can get stuck just trying to shoot his way out of it Kobe style which sometimes leads to nights like tonight.
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I'm not sure what you are arguing here. I said he had a bad game, I'm not making excuses of anything. To go inside as suggested by KD requires legs he did not have this game, he has not been able to adapt to the situation thus he had a bad game. Nobody is letting him off the hook.
As for the POs I have been vocal about the fact his mpg need to ramp up. If we go from 20 mpg to 35 in POs it won't end well. I have noticed that Spurs are now increasing the load at 30 mpg (last 3 games) which is the right thing to do, the sonner the better.
Alright, thanks. I just watched it for the first time and then had been posting shortly after, so the game/loss was still fresh to me. I misunderstood and thought you were making excuses with fatigue/having no legs. I missed you saying he had a poor game (I skimmed through your reply and I have now read it properly and see you did definitely say he had a bad game). My fault, so I'll apologize to you on that one.
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all good ice, no need to apologize.
It's not that he doesn't understand it, it is that he plays without a pf so to get positioning he needs to be very agressive which is bad for his longevity
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Even Alex Caruso also commented on Wemby after that last loss to OKC.
Caruso mentioned something along the line that Wemby is still not strong...not even KD. He need to get strong, especially his lower body
Thanks. You're one of my favourite posters, so I didn't mean to come off so poorly. I agree 100% with what you said your second post.
Maybe saying "not understand" was too harsh. I just think he's still too weak physically to do it, and he's shying away from it. You're probably right about it also not being good for his longevity.
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I have noticed flashes of improved footwork from Victor. That game against Memphis a couple weeks ago when Wemby was 2/4 in getting into the paint for easy looks against Aldama. He also had a nice up and under and a drop step/spin (unfortunately he missed the dunk) against Beringer the other night. Even last night he drove right for an impressive extended-arm dunk when he had the angle. I think it'll take another couple offseasons of intensive training for him to realize what Durant is hinting at.
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He struggles to get into the paint because:
1) obviously too slight in his lower body and too easy to push out of his spot. His build is still a real issue that isn’t progressing very well so far. I think it’s possible he never overcomes this because his DNA is going to keep him lean no matter what he does.
2) when he’s pressed, he’ll often make a quick move to free himself up and get a quick break from the pressure. But the team still isn’t looking for those moments, and miss them constantly. You only get a split second to get it to him. They are missing the window. This feels like coaching could address it. We don’t seem to have set plays or set actions to get him the ball. He just goes in…mushes his way around…and when he finally sees daylight you have castle whipping the ball to Barnes in the corner instead.
This has to get figured out, in all honesty. It’s not in an acceptable state at the moment, despite his success and the teams.
1) obviously too slight in his lower body and too easy to push out of his spot. His build is still a real issue that isn’t progressing very well so far. I think it’s possible he never overcomes this because his DNA is going to keep him lean no matter what he does.
2) when he’s pressed, he’ll often make a quick move to free himself up and get a quick break from the pressure. But the team still isn’t looking for those moments, and miss them constantly. You only get a split second to get it to him. They are missing the window. This feels like coaching could address it. We don’t seem to have set plays or set actions to get him the ball. He just goes in…mushes his way around…and when he finally sees daylight you have castle whipping the ball to Barnes in the corner instead.
This has to get figured out, in all honesty. It’s not in an acceptable state at the moment, despite his success and the teams.
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Vic gets a good portion of his points from jumpers. Heck kid even scored ON HIS FACE with a face-up jumper in the first half? He had a terrible game to finish (missing an array of jumpers) but that was just a bad stretch.
hrr drr Wemby should dunk the ball every time hrr drr.
Its so fucking hard to take some of you seriously that you think a professional athlete who was just named an AS starter in his 3rd season at an incredibly young age surrounded by a staff of professionals and some NBA vets doesn't know that he should go inside to score.
Wemby and the team are obviously trying to balance his skill set, with his physique, with the wear and tear that comes from putting on more weight, and trying to find a way of playing that works for Wemby in the long term.
In the past month, Wemby has gotten dramatically better at his turnover rate. Have you guys noticed that he's finally learning to not put the ball on the floor near smalls driving to the basket and how much thats reduced his turnovers? Have you noticed how much better he's shooting for 3 - especially if you give him some fucking grace on the 2nd night of a back to back where it was clear he had no legs in the 2nd half? For the record, his splits also show he shoots dramatically worse on the 2nd night of a B2B but last night probably is a big chunk of that. Anyway, His ORTG this year is 15 points higher than his rookie, but some of you are wondering if he's improved on offense? He's averaging 24 points per game in 29 MINUTES! 29!!!!!!!!
This is all I can think of when someone asks if Wemby has improved on offense:
Its so fucking hard to take some of you seriously that you think a professional athlete who was just named an AS starter in his 3rd season at an incredibly young age surrounded by a staff of professionals and some NBA vets doesn't know that he should go inside to score.
Wemby and the team are obviously trying to balance his skill set, with his physique, with the wear and tear that comes from putting on more weight, and trying to find a way of playing that works for Wemby in the long term.
In the past month, Wemby has gotten dramatically better at his turnover rate. Have you guys noticed that he's finally learning to not put the ball on the floor near smalls driving to the basket and how much thats reduced his turnovers? Have you noticed how much better he's shooting for 3 - especially if you give him some fucking grace on the 2nd night of a back to back where it was clear he had no legs in the 2nd half? For the record, his splits also show he shoots dramatically worse on the 2nd night of a B2B but last night probably is a big chunk of that. Anyway, His ORTG this year is 15 points higher than his rookie, but some of you are wondering if he's improved on offense? He's averaging 24 points per game in 29 MINUTES! 29!!!!!!!!
This is all I can think of when someone asks if Wemby has improved on offense:
Honestly that video applies to Durant too. In his 3rd year, Durant shot 36.5% from 3. Even after the shit from last night, Wemby is 38%. But yeah, he can't shoot or some shit. Durant is a hell of a scorer but the take that Wemby can't shoot is a take as bad as the ashy ass skin on Durants legs.
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Man(ny), fucking thank you
sometimes you read so many tragic takes that you really start to lose perspective. Folks already used to what Wemby can do, now it's onto the eternal "what have you done for me lately" cycle of tearing down players.Also great that you caught Durant's hypocrisy -- his comments are very funny when he's spent his career choosing to stick with jumpshots as a 7 footer, oftentimes to the detriment of his team, and only has rings to show for it because of Curry. He sure wasn't taking it to the rim every time on those Thunder teams that he left WB hanging on...
People also aren't noticing that these Wemby critique soundbites are exclusively coming after losses, and are likely media-baited (well not KD's, he likes to talk ball, but anyways). There sure wasn't a peep said about Wemby's shooting when he hit those 7 three's the other night or whatever, lol, but shoot bad on a B2B, and you're suddenly terrible and told to not go for jumpshots.
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Man(ny), fucking thank you
Also great that you caught Durant's hypocrisy -- his comments are very funny when he's spent his career choosing to stick with jumpshots as a 7 footer, oftentimes to the detriment of his team, and only has rings to show for it because of Curry. He sure wasn't taking it to the rim every time on those Thunder teams that he left WB hanging on...
People also aren't noticing that these Wemby critique soundbites are exclusively coming after losses, and are likely media-baited (well not KD's, he likes to talk ball, but anyways). There sure wasn't a peep said about Wemby's shooting when he hit those 7 three's the other night or whatever, lol, but shoot bad on a B2B, and you're suddenly terrible and told to not go for jumpshots.
Basically same people who cannot understand difference between weather and climate
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