Player The unfortunately low-ceilinged Shaolin monastery of Victor Wembanyama

No, because paying the best players in the league (Wemby is one of them) the super max is not a problem whatsoever for teams/franchises. These guys are actually worth more than the super max. Giving away a generational talent like Wemby for silly reasons and hoping that you somehow get equal production and quality out of five FRP would be terribly irrational thinking and mismanagement.

Silly reasons?

Meaning making sure you keep the rest of the roster together, at least the core, all the starters and the top few off the bench? There is a salary cap after all.

Look at OKC in 2012...
 
Narratives matter, who would've thought... :st-wakeup:

E: also it's actually fuckin' crazy the sheer power that Wemby's words (and actions to back it up) have on the league. As recently as two weeks ago you'd be laughed out the building for pushing a Wemby MVP serious argument -- and the guy just comes out and says "well, defense is half the game, and I've beat Shai 4 times this season, I think I deserve it" and now the odds are shifting to his favor? Truly surreal. We could not be more blessed.

I can't wait until he inevitably speaks out on the refs in the playoffs, maybe it'll be the straw breaking the camel's back and forcing Silver into real changes....
Not for us that have been paying attention, tbh. (Check the date).

And guess who votes for MVP. If the Spurs finish 1st, Wemby is winning MVP. Mark my words.
 
Not for us that have been paying attention, tbh. (Check the date).
Check the dates indeed:


I posted this in the Kings thread, but it probably better fits here...

This my be Spurs Colored Glasses, but I think one of the biggest things Wemby can do to insert him into the MVP discussion would be to finish with the #1 seed AND do these things:
  • Go 4-1 against SGA and OKC (done)
  • Go 4-0 against Jokic and DEN (which would be 3-0 for Wemby, since he missed the first game)
  • Go 2-0 against Cade and DET (starts tonight)
If the Spurs are the top seed in the west, and Wemby has won the battles against all of the other MVP candidates, it's going to be really hard for a voter to look the other way when they'll also be awarding him the DPOY. When they passed up Kawhi for Steph in 2015-16 in MVP voting (when Kawhi won DPOY), it was easy to turn to Steph leading GSW to 73-9. There is no way you don't award the best player on that team the MVP.

That is also a great demonstration of how defense absolutely plays into the voting conversation, despite whatever some troll on this forum thinks. Kawhi only averaged 21ppg that year but was DPOY and was considered the best two-way player in the league. LeBron had significantly better offensive stats than Kawhi that year, but voters still gave the #2 spot in the MVP race to Nephew.

If Wemby pulls us to the #1 seed and dominates all of those other MVP candidates, the conversation will get very real.
 
Difference is Wemby has skill and finesse and actual swag and charisma.

Lebron is Lu Dort with a slightly better handle, no bag having linebacker layup merchant. Can’t wait for everyone to forget this media manufactured poser fake GOAT. Makes my blood honestly boil tbh
I tried to think of a measured way to respond to this, but the best I have is this is stupid and you are stupid.
 
Difference is Wemby has skill and finesse and actual swag and charisma.

Lebron is Lu Dort with a slightly better handle, no bag having linebacker layup merchant. Can’t wait for everyone to forget this media manufactured poser fake GOAT. Makes my blood honestly boil tbh
Damn bro lol.

I think LeBron‘s greatest crime is he played way too long. He probably should’ve retired after breaking the scoring record. The longer he has gone the more people have piled on with the hate. And he’s probably playing at 40 damn 2 years old for one final farewell tour as well.
 
LeBron's longevity is probably his best case against Jordan tbh. I still have MJ clearly above though.
 
LeBron's longevity is probably his best case against Jordan tbh. I still have MJ clearly above though.
I think the longevity worked for him to an extent, but it ultimately went against him. 4 championships in basically 25 seasons. That’s not GOAT SHIT.. his legacy became about compiling stats
 
LeBron's longevity is probably his best case against Jordan tbh. I still have MJ clearly above though.
I wouldn't say clearly above. The question is if you put LeBron on that Bulls team at the four and sometimes running point forward with Scotty at the three and the rest of that team and Phil Jackson's triangle what will be the outcome? We do know that LeBron is much more of a team player than Jordan and that Jackson basically had to convince Jordan to start passing the ball. With the longevity that we have seen does he win Eight titles?
 
But I'm also one of those people that think Olajuwon and the Rockets would have taken down the Bulls in at least one of those years
 
Lebron has won 2 playoff series outside the bubble since 2018, I don't want to hear no longetivity talk.
The only reason why he made all those finals was playing in a joke conference that was at it's lowest point.
 
I used to be a Lebron stan outside of the Spurs but his politicking with his scrub son, his association with Diddy, and other offcourt passive aggressive bullshit has soured him for me.

So before it was Lebron>MJ, now I have no opinion on this tbh since MJ is an even bigger POS human being 😂
 
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