Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

[LeBowen]

we need people who can stop the SGAs of the league

We do.
But the days of one-way players being useful in serious playoff games are long gone.
Whether it be traffic cone shooters or defenders that can't play basketball.
If you don't believe me, check out last season's playoffs and try to find non-shooters that got regular minutes in the playoffs and weren't traditional bigs.

and the inexperience gimmick is just that given the competition.

It's not a gimmick, OKC lost against the Mavs a year earlier because they couldn't adjust.
We'd have a chance only if Wemby shows he's on GOAT trajectory.

Other than Barnes, noone has serious playoff experience.
Kornet was a third stringer for the Celtics.

 

[Raven_]

We do.
But the days of one-way players being useful in serious playoff games are long gone.
Whether it be traffic cone shooters or defenders that can't play basketball.
If you don't believe me, check out last season's playoffs and try to find non-shooters that got regular minutes in the playoffs and weren't traditional bigs.


It's not a gimmick, OKC lost against the Mavs a year earlier because they couldn't adjust.
We'd have a chance only if Wemby shows he's on GOAT trajectory.

Other than Barnes, noone has serious playoff experience.
Kornet was a third stringer for the Celtics.

wake up, we already are competing.

 

[LeBowen]

wake up, we already are competing.

What does that have to do with me saying one way players aren't a thing in serious playoff games anymore?

 

[KobesAchilles]

One bad game against us and our fanbase is delusional enough to believe we have a SGA stopper on our roster in Sochan. Dude scored 32 on us the next game but sure Sochan is the SGA stopper.

 

[Ariel]

hard to find someone less usable for us.. without sochan we have precisely 0 pfs on the roster.

Playing career low minutes at a position of need isn't exactly a flex, did you not realize that as you were typing it out? That doesn't scream "useful".

 

[John B]

Yeah, Sochan's days with the Spurs (and the NBA?) seem to be numbered, unfortunately. I was a big fan of his style of play, but he seems better suited for the Euro game (or maybe NBA a couple decades ago).

Shooting is just too strong in the current meta for any one player to just not do it at any level whatsoever, it's too detrimental to the team. The same way Sabonis can't find success as a non-defensive C, Sochan can't find any success as a non-shooting PF. His summer workouts seemed to all be geared in that direction..... But it looks like another case of "some players just can't get it", like Lonnie was.

It's sad he couldn't work out how to shoot, because I truly think his brand of ball - the """enforcer""", physical defense, big wings defender - has a place on the team. But you just can't be a Lu Dort without the shooting. And the Spurs are finally good enough to where they can't be bothered to wait and see which of their puppies turns into a Mastiff.... Especially considering none of their "core" players is an elite shooter themselves.

There's a big hole at the starting PF position on this team, and hopefully they can fill it with a mid-season trade, sooner than later.

Those Lu Dorts, Dillon Brooks players are not just enforcers but can lit-up anytime. Sochan is not even an elite defender

 

[dastexan]

I thought Carter Bryant did just as good a job on Jokic than Sohan last night, and is more useful (even with his lack of experience) than this guy. Things bode less and less well for him as time goes along...

 

[Raven_]

One bad game against us and our fanbase is delusional enough to believe we have a SGA stopper on our roster in Sochan. Dude scored 32 on us the next game but sure Sochan is the SGA stopper.

it's a matter of staying in front of him.

 

[PanameSpur]

And hat have you said, things stars don’t back up. Now the stats actually showed him being bad because he regressed, doesn’t make what wasn’t the case in the past true because he is bad now.

But then you just don’t have any ability to manage any type of logical thinking.

Sochan hasn't regressed, he's better than he used to be in terms of court awareness for ex, he's surely more athletic, his fundamentals aren't as bad etc

Even limited, he's been coached for +3 years and has multiplied situations he's more comfortable with today.

He just is who he is, it's not just a bbiq or character thing, it's a bunch of criteria, that WHEN ADDED make him a liability.

You can keep focusing on any single area of his game and you'll find reasons to be optimistic or even compare him with good players but you can't conveniently ignore the results of "the sum of his issues".

Believe it or not, I not only like the dude but contrary to many, I'm convinced he has a future in the league, bc he's still very young and he's a good personality, a thing that matters a lot in a networking based business like the NBA.

He just needs to find the right fit, and the current Spurs are probably the worst fit.

 

[PanameSpur]

Sochan contributed last night. Seems like Mitch wipes the slate clean after each game and is working from an actual detailed game plan. Sochan's confidence seems shot offensively. Castle and Wemby might help him. I did notice that his DHOs were awesome last night. He was messing them up vs Portland, so that might be a little silver lining as to Sochan's learning curve. If he can understand his role and regain his confidence, he can help us win, no question.

It's the best thing that could happen to him, Sochan hasn't been challenged since he arrived in the league, it clearly had a terrible impact on his development.

If he starts feeling "back against the wall" bc his deal ends and PT is reduced, anything can happen, even miracle 180. Let's see how he's built...

 

[Raven_]

What does that have to do with me saying one way players aren't a thing in serious playoff games anymore?

Nothing, I wanted to a previous msg and figured you wouldn't care anyway

 

[LeBowen]

Nothing, I wanted to a previous msg and figured you wouldn't care anyway

I wouldn't care? I'm one of the few people who's still entertaining your horrible takes, most of the forum is ignoring you because you're either trolling or completely clueless.

 

[Raven_]

I wouldn't care? I'm one of the few people who's still entertaining your horrible takes, most of the forum is ignoring you because you're either trolling or completely clueless.

cheap shot lol.. which one was a horrible take again? Seems like everything i predicted would happen, did happen..

 

[ulosturedge]

He just doesn't really have a jumper, nor does he have the body type to punish people down low. The only way Sochan works out is if his defense can create problems for smaller players and his agility can cause problems around the rim. Teams are going to keep leaving him wide open in the corner. He has to hit those shots when he plays the 2 man game with Harper. He either creates the mismatch problem for other Teams or he is the mismatch problem for us. And unfortunately for us the other Team is winning that battle so far.

 

[ambchang]

Sochan hasn't regressed, he's better than he used to be in terms of court awareness for ex, he's surely more athletic, his fundamentals aren't as bad etc

Even limited, he's been coached for +3 years and has multiplied situations he's more comfortable with today.

He just is who he is, it's not just a bbiq or character thing, it's a bunch of criteria, that WHEN ADDED make him a liability.

You can keep focusing on any single area of his game and you'll find reasons to be optimistic or even compare him with good players but you can't conveniently ignore the results of "the sum of his issues".

Believe it or not, I not only like the dude but contrary to many, I'm convinced he has a future in the league, bc he's still very young and he's a good personality, a thing that matters a lot in a networking based business like the NBA.

He just needs to find the right fit, and the current Spurs are probably the worst fit.

That is quite a 180 from previous assessments you used to describe him, which is rather hilarious given that he did clearly regressed from previous years. He is absolutely lost on offence rather than having a lack of plans. His main strengths of defence and rebounding are pretty much gone. He just doesn’t work on the team at all now. Compared to what he was last year there is no doubt he got worse.

And saying he’s more athletic is just a pure head scratcher.

 

[rascal]

We won't compete for a title because we're an inexperienced team and I'm pretty sure this season will end up in a hard fought series we lose because of inexperience.
Nothing wrong with that, happened to every young team.

I'm not sure what can Mitch turn around when Sochan has next to no basketball skills.
He got the ball in the middle of the paint at least 5 times last night and noone cared, he can't do anything with it.
And his shot seems to be gone again, 0-9 from 3pt over the past 4 games.

Sochan just lacks overall athleticism for an NBA player. He doesn't play with fluidity and quickness and is slow in his decision making at the NBA level.
He also lacks basic BBIQ to position himself to read the bounce off missed shots to get rebounds or the knowledge to box opponents out to increase his chances to grab the rebound.


Rodman as some like to compare Sochan to played with more agression and fire than Sochan does. Rodman was also a limited offensive player but a far more valuable team player because of his superior rebounding and defense as compared to Sochan. Rodman most often had his arms up defending and showed much more defensive effort than what I see from Sochan. I often see Sochan with arms down while a player is going by him for a layup.

Rodman also perfected the maximum reach to the ball and the tip the ball to himself to grab the rebound.

 

[scott]

Aside from an affinity for hair dye, tattoo needles and the lack of a jump shot, I see zero similarly between Rodman and Sochan and any comparison between the two is just lazy, tbh

 

[LeBowen]

Aside from an affinity for hair dye, tattoo needles and the lack of a jump shot, I see zero similarly between Rodman and Sochan and any comparison between the two is just lazy, tbh

Don't forget that both are sabotaging the Spurs when on the floor.

 

[OK Computer]

Kick edwards out

 

[Arcadian]

How would you describe Sochan's player profile? What are his strengths? What is his style? Is he a traditional power forward from the 1960s? Wtf even is he?

 

[poopbox]

There was a 4 or 5 possession stretch where Ant and Randle just ran train on Jeremy

 

[Unseen]

He can't even stay on the floor with even a couple of players out with injuries. I wouldn't go as far to say he's useless but he's pretty much useless on this team.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

How would you describe Sochan's player profile? What are his strengths? What is his style? Is he a traditional power forward from the 1960s? Wtf even is he?

A tall guy with footspeed who can‘t play basketball

 

[onechance87]

Man this guy developed into nothing.We shouldint be drafting projects in the first round until we prove we can develop them.
Even the second round projects these last few years we get are shit or really dont have potential.
Next project i guess is carter bryant,Hope we can make a decent player out of him rather sooner then later.

 

[LeBowen]

Man this guy developed into nothing.We shouldint be drafting projects in the first round until we prove we can develop them.
Even the second round projects these last few years we get are shit or really dont have potential.
Next project i guess is carter bryant,Hope we can make a decent player out of him rather sooner then later.

You can't say Keldon and Vassell haven't developed.
They're not high end starters we expected them to be, but there was obvious growth.
Same goes for Castle. Yes, he was the #4 pick, but he's been way better than anyone expected.

Don't forget that Champ would've probably been out of the league if not for the Spurs, his improvement over these few years has been huge.

A tall guy with footspeed who can‘t play basketball

He's a textbook example of someone who's a basketball player just because he's tall.