Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

[Ice009]

I don't think the one handed free throws helped his reputation. It's one reason why I didn't want him shooting them. I think NBA players didn't take him seriously as a threat of any sort from long distance after he started shooting them one handed.

 

[Shmurs]

Imagine how much an opposing center enjoyed themselves on defense last year where you had this dumbass bright green signal flair in the corner of your eye telling you to just roam the paint.

 

[Ice009]

Imagine how much an opposing center enjoyed themselves on defense last year where you had this dumbass bright green signal flair in the corner of your eye telling you to just roam the paint.

Darn, never thought of his hair colour. Makes it easier for the defender to know where he is at all times.

 

[PanameSpur]

Sochan situation is bad, he is now, rightfully so, restricted at some garbage minutes here and there. Keldonenotdonejustyet is clearly ahead in the rotation. Sochan is gone at next trade deadline

Other than our own guesses, it's so frustrating not having any working journalist in SA who tell it how it is so we know where all the diff actors' positions on the matter are at.

They must know but keep doing Spurs' PR

 

[PanameSpur]

I didn’t see the game but can someone tell me why after 6+ minutes 1/1 on 3s, 3 rebounds and an assist and Spurs having trouble defending guys like Butler and the perimeter Mitch never put him in the fame again?

long story short, his lack of reliability is too many areas.

To the point that his own coach would rather use Kornet despite this one being embarrassed and fouling again and again smh

Choices speak louder than words.

 

[poopbox]

Listening to Mitch interview it seems like Sochan time in SA is at an end. He got a question about Sochan's health and if he is available to play and Mitch was pretty much like yep he's healthy just didn't play him much next question.

 

[Shmurs]

Other than our own guesses, it's so frustrating not having any working journalist in SA who tell it how it is so we know where all the diff actors' positions on the matter are at.

They must know but keep doing Spurs' PR

I think it’s better this way. The alternative is that you give a parasite a morsel of information and then they just make it into a meal and it gets annoying. And it’s not like “he’s not playing well so he’s benched” is better than being cryptic. We need to trade this dude. Don’t need a Tim McMahon helping tank his value.

I think we seem to be decent at inferring what’s going on.

 

[PanameSpur]

I think it’s better this way. The alternative is that you give a parasite a morsel of information and then they just make it into a meal and it gets annoying. And it’s not like “he’s not playing well so he’s benched” is better than being cryptic. We need to trade this dude. Don’t need a Tim McMahon helping tank his value.

I think we seem to be decent at inferring what’s going on.

I get it but as a European it's weird.

If it was a football club, we'd have had already all the explanations.

 

[LeBowen]

Listening to Mitch interview it seems like Sochan time in SA is at an end. He got a question about Sochan's health and if he is available to play and Mitch was pretty much like yep he's healthy just didn't play him much next question.

We used to pray for times like this.

 

[poopbox]

I don't think the one handed free throws helped his reputation. It's one reason why I didn't want him shooting them. I think NBA players didn't take him seriously as a threat of any sort from long distance after he started shooting them one handed.

I agree players don't take him seriously but it's not because of the one handed free throws it's because Jeremy is pretty much the sacrificial lamb in us getting Victor and getting Castle. The number 1 reason both are on the team is because we let Jeremy, a player who has no business handling the ball let alone running an offense, handle the ball and run an offense. He was our legit starting point guard Victor rookie year. Like legit he is at the top of the key initiating the play more than half the time he was on the court. Every team blew the game open against us by just pressuring him on ball and it was just a comedy of errors until we were down 23. That is not at all Jeremy fault that is 100% pop fault for putting him in a position to fail and he was never going to do anything but fail trying to do things he doesn't have the skill or talent for. Factor in everyone on social media saying he was trash and then every nba talking head begging the spurs to get a real point guard for Victor implying he was trash and then literally going to sign chrs paul to be the point guard and never ever having jeremy play like that again and then literally drafting and trading for point guards and that shit probably took a huge toll on him mentally. He hasn't had any time to night in night out just be a small ball 4 like he should have been and now the team has advanced to the point it makes no sense to give him developmental minutes.

It's interesting when you think about it because nobody talks about all the casualties for some players in tanking. Everyone talks about SGA Chet and J Will but they never talk about the players who nba careers got sacrificed in order for them to pick that high.

Maybe we should show some respect because it wasn't luck that got us Victor and Castle back to back it was Jeremy, Branhim, and Wesley being absolute ass that put us in those positions in the first place . Branhim and Wesley might not even be in the league next year.

Damn I might have to be a Jeremy truther now no one has sacrificed more for these 8 wins than he did

 

[Shmurs]

The things that made him trash as a point guard are a lot of the things that make him trash as a general rotational player, though. His handle isn’t good. His processing isn’t good. His ability to manipulate space isn’t good. Shooting obviously.

He wasn’t supposed to be Halliburton. He was supposed to be Amen. It wasn’t a reasonable request because of how bad he is at most things. But he failed extra hard because he’s not really an NBA rotational talent.

 

[ginobilized]

Seeing 22 year old millionaires as casualties is a stretch for me. I'm sure his earnings have provided generational wealth for his family already. The fact that he's gotten this far is a gift. I don't think he has the mentality to ascend with Castle, Wemby and Harper. Few do. To bastardize a quote from Succession: "I love you, but, you are not a serious person." His vibe and focus are not at the requisite level to consistently impact winning. He may have misread his long leash as success, previously. That's my read on him.

I'm sure it's a tough pill to swallow for him, or any player. It also aligns with what I have been seeing, as well as much of this forum, over his career. It's now obvious that the coaches don't see a path toward winning that includes much from him. That's a relief to me.

 

[ambchang]

Odd he wasn't played last night. In the rare few minutes he played he was holding his own. with Castle in foul trouble Sochan could've guarded Curry or Butler, and it wasn't a coincidence Curry went off when Castle was on the bench.

If he played 36 minutes, he would've had 18 pts (on 6-6 3 pters), 18 rebounds, 6 assists, and 12 fouls.

 

[Shmurs]

The correct way to say that is, “his per 36”

Not “if he would have played 36” lol. You don’t just go extrapolating.

 

[ambchang]

The correct way to say that is, “his per 36”

Not “if he would have played 36” lol. You don’t just go extrapolating.

The correct way to read blue font is ....

 

[poopbox]

Seeing 22 year old millionaires as casualties is a stretch for me. I'm sure his earnings have provided generational wealth for his family already. The fact that he's gotten this far is a gift. I don't think he has the mentality to ascend with Castle, Wemby and Harper. Few do. To bastardize a quote from Succession: "I love you, but, you are not a serious person." His vibe and focus are not at the requisite level to consistently impact winning. He may have misread his long leash as success, previously. That's my read on him.

I'm sure it's a tough pill to swallow for him, or any player. It also aligns with what I have been seeing, as well as much of this forum, over his career. It's now obvious that the coaches don't see a path toward winning that includes much from him. That's a relief to me.

Jeremys entire contract is 23 million dollars factor in taxes he might not even be taking half of that home and that is before he pays something like his agent any lawyers etc.

23 million dollars over 4 years isn't close to generational money you could invest that wrong and lose it all in one year.

Interesting how you mentioned "the mentality to ascend" of Victor and Castle, where I feel like it's pretty clear Jeremy was put in the spot he was solely to be bad so we could get players like Victor and Castle. Hard for you to go be one of the people to have the mentality of winning when the team decided the way they were going to loose at a rate they never have before was to make you the featured player.

 

[spurraider21]

23 million dollars over 4 years isn't close to generational money

it absolutely is

 

[scott]

People say that they want him to take shots even if they aren’t going in. Why is that? He’s going to miss them at a rate that would indicate it’s a better decision to look for another play. And more importantly, even if he starts shooting, nobody is going to guard him. Most guys you often get the defender reflexively coming out to contest even if it’s a poor shooter. This dude’s reputation is such shit and the big neon sign on his head in the past made it so you don’t even have to look at him or think about what to do. It’s just an easy “don’t contest, stay in paint”.

I’m not saying anything the coaches don’t know though. He’s just a complete dead end.

Who is saying this? I don't recall anyone saying they want Sochan to be taking shots... we want Sochan to learn to shoot, which is an altogether different dream, IMO.

 

[scott]

Other than our own guesses, it's so frustrating not having any working journalist in SA who tell it how it is so we know where all the diff actors' positions on the matter are at.

They must know but keep doing Spurs' PR

The one guy with access who seemingly isn't afraid to ask semi-tough questions (Tynan) is also a Sochan fanboy, so that doesn't help.

Petrini is very good at covering the team (maybe the best of all of them) but I don't know that he's the "tough questions" guy either. Pop scared them all off years ago.

 

[Ariel]

Jeremys entire contract is 23 million dollars factor in taxes he might not even be taking half of that home and that is before he pays something like his agent any lawyers etc.

23 million dollars over 4 years isn't close to generational money you could invest that wrong and lose it all in one year.

Interesting how you mentioned "the mentality to ascend" of Victor and Castle, where I feel like it's pretty clear Jeremy was put in the spot he was solely to be bad so we could get players like Victor and Castle. Hard for you to go be one of the people to have the mentality of winning when the team decided the way they were going to loose at a rate they never have before was to make you the featured player.

I'm pretty confident no one here has earned 23 million over any 4 year time span in their lives, even if you get half of that and invest it in an index fund anyone should live pretty comfortably to the last of their days, finance their children's upbringing, and leave them a hefty sum in inheritance.

The argument that you can invest it wrong and lose it all isn't false, but there's no limit to how much you can lose if you make unwise investment decisions, there are countless examples of people blowing 10x as much and ending right where they started, so I'm not really sure it's a matter of how much for someone dumb enough to lose 25 million.

I think your last paragraph has merit though, and it applies to many high prospects in early tanks, they're encouraged to play a style that lacks accountability for their mistakes, helps them pump their stats in the short term and spells doom for the rest of their careers. Most of them don't see it. Shame.

 

[scott]

A $10MM lump sum (and $23MM pre-tax, pre-expenses over 4 years is about as close to that as you can get) should be enough for anyone to never work a day in their life and live an extremely nice life. A semi-competent financial advisor should be able to easily turn that into a $400-500k annual income for the rest of your life.

 

[Shmurs]

Who is saying this? I don't recall anyone saying they want Sochan to be taking shots... we want Sochan to learn to shoot, which is an altogether different dream, IMO.

For real? I’ve seen several posts here and r/nbaspurs saying “it’s not that he misses. It’s that he doesn’t try”.

Like a hundred different versions of that. You haven’t seen this? Legit startling.

 

[Shmurs]

Jeremy has not accumulated “generational wealth”. But Jeremy could make a decent living off of interest and investments so that he already never has to work again after this contract is up if he had a relatively modest lifestyle.

He’s rich. He’s not super rich and if you have 10 mill after tax you’re gonna end up spending more of it than your offspring does.

 

[scott]

For real? I’ve seen several posts here and r/nbaspurs saying “it’s not that he misses. It’s that he doesn’t try”.

Like a hundred different versions of that. You haven’t seen this? Legit startling.

I think that's a misinterpretation though. It is correct that it is a problem that Jeremy doesn't even try. Being a complete non-threat on the perimeter is a problem, because teams just completely sag off and don't bother to guard at all, making it a 4-on-5 game.

However, he doesn't try because (historically) he fucking sucks at shooting. I don't think anyone wants him to just keep shooting more for the sake of shooting more... they want him to learn to shoot, because until then we're playing 4-on-5 and he's largely unplayable unless it's its with other shooters where he can play center on offense (which to be fair, is a portion of the game that is greater than zero minutes).

I don't see anyone (maybe on reddit, but who gives a fuck what those sniffers think) seriously saying "Jeremy just needs to keep firing it up there!" - quite the opposite, they are saying until Jeremy learns how to shoot and is a legit threat to shoot (and make) shots, then he's limited to a very specific role (where we have a better option for a lot of the minutes anyway in Kornet).

 

[Shmurs]

I think that's a misinterpretation though. It is correct that it is a problem that Jeremy doesn't even try. Being a complete non-threat on the perimeter is a problem, because teams just completely sag off and don't bother to guard at all, making it a 4-on-5 game.

However, he doesn't try because (historically) he fucking sucks at shooting. I don't think anyone wants him to just keep shooting more for the sake of shooting more... they want him to learn to shoot, because until then we're playing 4-on-5 and he's largely unplayable unless it's its with other shooters where he can play center on offense (which to be fair, is a portion of the game that is greater than zero minutes).

I don't see anyone (maybe on reddit, but who gives a fuck what those sniffers think) seriously saying "Jeremy just needs to keep firing it up there!" - quite the opposite, they are saying until Jeremy learns how to shoot and is a legit threat to shoot (and make) shots, then he's limited to a very specific role (where we have a better option for a lot of the minutes anyway in Kornet).

What about the discussion from last week where I wanted him to not take a wide open corner 3 unless the clock is under a certain threshold? I think that was a castle discussion but would the same apply? That when the offense is flowing the wing should take the open 3 even if he sucks at it?

I follow what you’re saying but I think people actually want him to shoot when he’s wide open.

Could just be Reddit sniffer culture that I’m conflating with stray posts here I guess.