Player The Uncertainty Realm of the Improved Jumpshot of Jeremy Sochan

[ace3g]

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[NASpurs]

The thought of Sochan taking pull up jumpers

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[Shmurs]

not a single video of him doing repeated c&s from a fixed spot this summer, right? Saw castle doing it. I remember that. Not Jeremy.

I’m sure he’s doing all that stuff and this is just him doing his social media thing but these are joke videos. He should never be doing any of this in a game.

 

[Maddog]

As has been said many times you can find videos of ben Simmons nailing 3s.

It'll be interesting.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm coming around to the belief that Sochan's days with the Spurs are numbered.
He's good not great in many areas and a bit of a tweener SF/PF. He's a good but not great athlete, has good not great length, good not great ball handler. Good, but not great rebounder.Maybe more than good at individual defense.
Unfortunately he's terrible at one critical skill- shooting.

 

[heyheymymy]

Thought this was a player thread title at first like the Roadside Shrine of Sochan's Jumpshot Improvement Uncertainty

 

[ace3g]

Thought this was a player thread title at first like the Roadside Shrine of Sochan's Jumpshot Improvement Uncertainty

Something like that.

Also, as I mentioned before there is no comparison to Ben Simmons who has made no noticeable changes to his shooting mechanics throughout his career.

 

[Timdunkem]

Something tells me his shooting is still going to be mediocre.

Also, just saw this today. Double-doubles by Spurs players over the last THREE seasons.
How terrible do you have to be as a big to have nearly been passed in double-doubles by a geriatric PG who played one season with us? A season in which your starting C missed a bunch of games, no less.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1971287083940516349

 

[TDomination]

I could live with sochan with his current shooting if he was a dedicated defender/rebounder. Like Bowen. Yes, in this league you almost need scorers on all 5 positions but I still believe defense and rebounds wins the championship. And then rely on your top 2 guys to score when you are in a scoring drought.

 

[Exstatic]

As has been said many times you can find videos of ben Simmons nailing 3s.

It'll be interesting.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm coming around to the belief that Sochan's days with the Spurs are numbered.
He's good not great in many areas and a bit of a tweener SF/PF. He's a good but not great athlete, has good not great length, good not great ball handler. Good, but not great rebounder.Maybe more than good at individual defense.
Unfortunately he's terrible at one critical skill- shooting.

Ben Simmons hasn’t taken a regular season 3 pointer in 117 games over four seasons. They’re not the same.

 

[Shmurs]

Yeah, Simmons has better mechanics.

 

[TAPS]

Even if this guy is outward bound I hope he can fix that hitch. Didn't see it in this video, of course that doesn't mean it's not still there. Agreed I would love to see some catch & shoot video to get a good look at his mechanic and tendencies.

 

[Shmurs]

I know these videos are harmless and he just likes to post sizzle reels and not the boring stuff. And I know the team has their own routines they do with him and he just wants the “cool” stuff on his feed. But if I’m RC or Wright, I’m looking at that going, “is this who this kid thinks he is? Show me some basic competency before you start your social media campaign for your contract extension”.

I don’t know…I just don’t think he’s a serious person. Maybe he doesn’t have to be. But it would be better if he was.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Klay Thompson posts a video of him sitting his ass in the corner and making 78 threes in a row. You can tell that’s a major part of his work out. He did post his workout in Youtibe and pretty much everything he did was to prepare for the game. Every drill and every dribble and every shot was something he would use in-game. Much like Matt Bonner who would practice the same way. I never saw posts of Matt Bonner doing this bullshit. Dude was legendary for his practice jump shot routines.

Sochan posts a video of him shooting a buncha shots he’s never going to take in game. And shots that frankly he isn’t anywhere ready to take and probably will never be ready to take. I’m sure that will work out for him though and we will see remarkable improvement

 

[Ariel]

Is this really on Sochan, though? Why wouldn't the Spurs prioritize developing in the skills that actually had an impact in his game before trying to make him something he was never going to be? I mean, I'm sure he did practice shooting, not nowhere near enough it's apparent. He needs a halfway decent corner 3 and better connective passing to hang in the NBA, that alone probably gets him a 10+ year career, yet we're going into year 4 and there seems to be very little if any improvement there.

Most of his efficiency improvements last year came from using him better (i.e., cutting on his 3s, cutting to the basket more, being spoon fed buckets, etc) but you can't expect the team to sacrifice to make you look good long term. This usually happens when developing players in bad teams, instead of building a minimal set of skills to make you playable in a competitive context, they try to create stars where there are none. Just a role player usable in a playoff setting would be very valuable.

 

[pope]

Yeah it’d be nice just to see him draining spot up 3’s repeatedly. That’s all he needs to do on offense + pound the offensive boards and finish inside as a roll man

 

[spurs10]

I could live with sochan with his current shooting if he was a dedicated defender/rebounder. Like Bowen. Yes, in this league you almost need scorers on all 5 positions but I still believe defense and rebounds wins the championship. And then rely on your top 2 guys to score when you are in a scoring drought.

Bowen could shoot the 3.

 

[Shmurs]

Is this really on Sochan, though? Why wouldn't the Spurs prioritize developing in the skills that actually had an impact in his game before trying to make him something he was never going to be? I mean, I'm sure he did practice shooting, not nowhere near enough it's apparent. He needs a halfway decent corner 3 and better connective passing to hang in the NBA, that alone probably gets him a 10+ year career, yet we're going into year 4 and there seems to be very little if any improvement there.

Most of his efficiency improvements last year came from using him better (i.e., cutting on his 3s, cutting to the basket more, being spoon fed buckets, etc) but you can't expect the team to sacrifice to make you look good long term. This usually happens when developing players in bad teams, instead of building a minimal set of skills to make you playable in a competitive context, they try to create stars where there are none. Just a role player usable in a playoff setting would be very valuable.

Yeah honestly it was good fun when these were Poland videos but when I saw like 5 trainers in spurs gear helping him with his nonsense, gotta say I didn’t love it.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Is this really on Sochan, though? Why wouldn't the Spurs prioritize developing in the skills that actually had an impact in his game before trying to make him something he was never going to be? I mean, I'm sure he did practice shooting, not nowhere near enough it's apparent. He needs a halfway decent corner 3 and better connective passing to hang in the NBA, that alone probably gets him a 10+ year career, yet we're going into year 4 and there seems to be very little if any improvement there.

Most of his efficiency improvements last year came from using him better (i.e., cutting on his 3s, cutting to the basket more, being spoon fed buckets, etc) but you can't expect the team to sacrifice to make you look good long term. This usually happens when developing players in bad teams, instead of building a minimal set of skills to make you playable in a competitive context, they try to create stars where there are none. Just a role player usable in a playoff setting would be very valuable.

Spurs player development has been shit for a couple of years now. And tbh I don’t trust our current shooting guru. We were tied for 20th in the league in 3 point percentage. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.

But I got trashed at the other place for pointing out that Sochan should be practicing what he actually does in-game. And I was told that this is the new age way of shooting. That the old ways no longer work…

 

[dn0774]

Spurs player development has been shit for a couple of years now. And tbh I don’t trust our current shooting guru. We were tied for 20th in the league in 3 point percentage. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.

But I got trashed at the other place for pointing out that Sochan should be practicing what he actually does in-game. And I was told that this is the new age way of shooting. That the old ways no longer work…

I'm hoping the coaching staff overhaul will yield some benefits on the development front. Sweeney is spoken very highly of in particular and if the Spurs improve like they should he could be on a fast track to fielding head coaching offers. Lets face it, Pop/Brown were stale/stagnant for several years now and seemed more interested in teaching these guys about life rather than basketball.

Jimmy Baron seems to have a thin resume, who exactly has he transformed into shooters? Or even just solid and consistent upticks? Obviously Chip has Tony Parker and Kawhi at the top in bold print on his resume (not to mention basically all of the OKC roster). If Jimmy can't get Castle/Harper to credible 3pt shooter status quickly then he needs to be out on his ass. Sochan isn't his fault, though. That was the scouts and Bwright thinking they could fix the un-fixable.

 

[BacktoBasics]

Most of the disappointment revolves around his draft position. Which is completely justified. It really comes down to what an extension would look like.

He would make for a great bench player on any contending team. He’s not a 30+ minute starter.

But could be impactful at 20-22 minutes off the bench.

I know most would rather trade him and that’s fine but I have no problem with him as the 7th or 8th man if the contract is reflective of that.

 

[Ariel]

Most of the disappointment revolves around his draft position. Which is completely justified. It really comes down to what an extension would look like.

He would make for a great bench player on any contending team. He’s not a 30+ minute starter.

But could be impactful at 20-22 minutes off the bench.

I know most would rather trade him and that’s fine but I have no problem with him as the 7th or 8th man if the contract is reflective of that.

Well yeah, but also a lot of players drafted after him popped up: Jalen Williams (12), Jalen Duren (13, though I'm not a big fan), Tari Eason (17), Christian Braun (21), Walker Kessler (22), Andrew Nembhard (31), etc. So looking back that draft turned out pretty bad. To be fair, I was on board with all 3 Spurs picks (even though I also liked Tari Eason, Jalen Williams -but not at 9-, etc), so I'm not really the one to point fingers here, but it's hard not to look back on the Spurs drafts from 2018 to 2022 and feel kind of sick with the outcome (Lonnie, Samanic, Keldon, Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Branham, Wesley). Really depressing stuff.

 

[KobesAchilles]

I wanted Sochan in the draft. He was my first draft choice. Now in hindsight we should’ve picked Jalen Williams. However I was all aboard the Sochan train.

But really he just has no feel for the game and that hurts him more than his shooting. If he knew how to play offense (and I mean how to set screens, how to play angles, how to read when to cut, not to dribble into traffic, don’t jump pass, a little floater in the lane or a hook shot, etc) then I wouldn’t mind that he can’t shoot. It’s not ideal but the team could adapt to it. But he’s so bad on offense that he can literally be ignored and not punish anybody for ignoring him.

I’m not saying no to an extension but I’d offer him 4 for 40 take it or prove it deal.

 

[Shmurs]

Most of the disappointment revolves around his draft position. Which is completely justified. It really comes down to what an extension would look like.

He would make for a great bench player on any contending team. He’s not a 30+ minute starter.

But could be impactful at 20-22 minutes off the bench.

I know most would rather trade him and that’s fine but I have no problem with him as the 7th or 8th man if the contract is reflective of that.

During the second round I was looking for any single person that he would have gotten minutes over and couldn’t find one. No wing on any good team is as limited as he is with shooting and overall ball skills. He’s more likely to be in Europe 5 years from now than he is getting rotation minutes on a contender

 

[BacktoBasics]

Well yeah, but also a lot of players drafted after him popped up: Jalen Williams (12), Jalen Duren (13, though I'm not a big fan), Tari Eason (17), Christian Braun (21), Walker Kessler (22), Andrew Nembhard (31), etc. So looking back that draft turned out pretty bad. To be fair, I was on board with all 3 Spurs picks (even though I also liked Tari Eason, Jalen Williams -but not at 9-, etc), so I'm not really the one to point fingers here, but it's hard not to look back on the Spurs drafts from 2018 to 2022 and feel kind of sick with the outcome (Lonnie, Samanic, Keldon, Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Branham, Wesley). Really depressing stuff.

I wanted Duren but the collective kinda turned me into a Sochan fan at the time. But I’d rather look forward than to allow his draft position to cloud what value he does have.

He is a rotation player. Shame we missed out on better prospects but that’s way beside the point.

 

[Shmurs]

What’s the argument for him as a rotation player, though? After watching the playoffs, where does he fit in on one of the contending teams?

No way he gets minutes on Indiana or OKC, obviously. Hartenstein was already slightly problematic and he’s 2x the player Jeremy is.

So then what…you think the wolves would say he’s the same caliber as NAW? No chance. Lakers would also take Vanderbilt because he’s going to give you better (which is a wild sentence).

The situation is that every playoff team wants more shooting AND every playoff team likes their own non-shooters better than would like Jeremy.

He’s just a perimeter iso guy that has the luxury of burning all his calories in D because he does f all on offense.