Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

Kick-Stand said:
I guess we have different priorities on correct usage. To me correct usage is developing Steph as an initiator. It's not like he's Point Sochan or anything. I am very much content to trade losses today for wins tomorrow when Wemby isn't ready to lead a title team. I'd probably have a whole different view here if Victor was like the Victor we saw opening night in Dallas that made you think wow he really could be the #1 on a title team right now. Then I'd be furious Fox wasn't running point every possession he was in like you are. But this has always been a season that should focus on growth for me other than the immediate aftermath of the Dallas game where Wemby looked like a cross between Bill Russell and Michael Jordan and I had Larry O'Briens dancing in my head.
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Maybe Wemby would look more like opening night Wemby if Castle didn't look like current Castle...
 
scott said:
I don't have a membership to any sites, but lemme see what I can find... I'm going to move that reply to the Castle thread and I'll tag you and mo in the reply.
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My bad, don't go doing my research if it's not something easily findable. Don't know why I thought you had access to a bunch of paywalled advanced stats.
 
scott said:
I'll say this as a big Fox fan and proponent of acquiring him:

Right now, because of the way they've decided to misuse him, the trade to get him looks like one of the biggest mistakes this front office has made and that includes drafting Primo over Sengun and Sochan over JDub.

People will counter by saying "but he was so cheap, we couldn't pass it up!" But the price is irrelevant if you're going to use him in the worst possible way.

It's like buying a $10MM mansion at foreclosure because it was "so cheap you can't pass up" but then never living in it, never renting it out, and not selling it and then getting hit with a $300,000 property tax bill.
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This should be pinned at the top!
 
LeBowen said:
But would he be a great fit for Mitch?
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Your shtick is getting to be a bore now. Snap out of it.

Mitch is here to stay. I am hoping he will figure a way out of the mini-rut that the Spurs are in now. And I also hope Wright helps him out. The raw +/- numbers shown in the other thread was telling. The Spurs have too many also-rans in their roster who are dragging the team down when the key guys aren't shooting well. Sochan, Olynyk top the list while Bryant gets the rookie benefit of doubt. When either of Barnes and Champs dont fire (and it has been a pattern with HB), the PF/forward position is a drag on the Spurs and I am not a great fan of the Wemby + Kornet lineups .. its not ideal for spacing when Fox also shares that court with either Castle or Harper.

Someone like an Aldama or a Hauser (pipe dream) would be ideal compared to a dud like Sochan.
 
BacktoBasics said:
You keep saying this but it doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you want to speak it into existence

I don’t know if Fox looked at your torta the wrong way but you grossly mischaracterize him.
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First time I’ve said it, actually. What a strange post. Who do you think you’re replying to?

max contract with depreciating physical tools…the physical tools which earned you the contract…there’s no straight up trade out there for Fox unless you get into Lavine country.

I guess now “I keep saying it” because that’s twice now. So maybe you have a point.
 
spursfanfromafar said:
Your shtick is getting to be a bore now. Snap out of it.
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It's not a shtick, it's a serious concern.

Mitch is here to stay. I am hoping he will figure a way out of the mini-rut that the Spurs are in now. And I also hope Wright helps him out. The raw +/- numbers shown in the other thread was telling. The Spurs have too many also-rans in their roster who are dragging the team down when the key guys aren't shooting well. Sochan, Olynyk top the list while Bryant gets the rookie benefit of doubt. When either of Barnes and Champs dont fire (and it has been a pattern with HB), the PF/forward position is a drag on the Spurs and I am not a great fan of the Wemby + Kornet lineups .. its not ideal for spacing when Fox also shares that court with either Castle or Harper.

Someone like an Aldama or a Hauser (pipe dream) would be ideal compared to a dud like Sochan.
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The thing is that you can't expect role players to deliver in the playoffs, at least not consistently.
Our stars are not getting the ball in the right positions/situations and it's tha main reason for our offensive struggles.
Anyone who doesn't see that either doesn't want to see it or actually doesn't know how to watch basketball.
 
LeBowen said:
It's not a shtick, it's a serious concern.


The thing is that you can't expect role players to deliver in the playoffs, at least not consistently.
Our stars are not getting the ball in the right positions/situations and it's tha main reason for our offensive struggles.
Anyone who doesn't see that either doesn't want to see it or actually doesn't know how to watch basketball.
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The clunky offensive fit is as much as the players figuring it out as much as the coaches ease their jobs. If it was a bad coaching job, the Spurs wouldn't have been second (or joint second) in the West and performed well above expectations (the consensus was 44.5 wins overall.. the Spurs are on pace to go at least 10 wins above that). They would have sucked just like last year.

It is not as if the Spurs are being carried just by the star power of Wemby and Fox. The role players have neatly adjusted themselves and are outperforming expectations - Keldon in particular and Vassell before he got injured, plus most importantly Champagnie who has improved dramatically as a rebounder and a floor spacer. Castle is now in a rut but overall his season has been way beyond expectations too. He is now among the top 5-6 perimeter defenders in the league and its another notch in the feather of the coaching caps.

What the Spurs are facing now is an adjustment that they have to do as a reaction of how teams have adjusted to them. They are using the Phoenix Suns ploy of applying physical pressure on Wemby, packing the paint against the three headed guard monster that the Spurs have and the guys - both the stars and the role players haven't reacted well in total as yet. It doesn't help that the Spurs second-third string among the forwards beyond Champagnie is all flawed now that Barnes is badly slumping, Bryant is a tyro and Sochan has become a drag. So, the Spurs need help from Wright in getting another pressure release valve in the forward position who will rebound and shoot.

That in itself will solve a lot of spacing issues and free up the Spurs stars and the guards to be more aggressive. Of course, Mitch & co should also limit the minutes of the drags and find ways to react to the physicality from opposing teams strategically. But these guys in the profession know better than message posters and random bloggers. Which is why the Spurs are in this position that they are now. And is still considered the best run franchise in the league.
 
spursfanfromafar said:
No brainer from the Spurs side. Aldama will be a great fit for the Spurs. And I think thats a more than decent price being paid. Hopefully the Grizz will bite.
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most likely depends on if they want to blow it up or not. I'd say 1 unprotected first is definitely fair value, but they might want teams to overpay. Aldama would fit like a glove.
 
spursfanfromafar said:
The clunky offensive fit is as much as the players figuring it out as much as the coaches ease their jobs. If it was a bad coaching job, the Spurs wouldn't have been second (or joint second) in the West and performed well above expectations (the consensus was 44.5 wins overall.. the Spurs are on pace to go at least 10 wins above that). They would have sucked just like last year.
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Honestly, I don't give a single care what does anyone from the media say about the Spurs.
I'm sure that I and most of us in here have a better insight on the situation than 99% of the media people being paid to write predictions and rankings.

How exactly was 44.5 a realistic prediction?
Last season we were on .500 record pace, give or take a few wins before the Fox trade.
If Fox and Wemby stayed healthy, with Mitch being allowed to bench CP3, we would've surely won 45 games.
The same roster this season, an extra summer of growth for all the young players, Fox fixes his finger, we get the #2 pick, sign one of the best backup bigs in the league and the prediction is still at 44.5 wins? Sorry, but that's just bs.

What the Spurs are facing now is an adjustment that they have to do as a reaction of how teams have adjusted to them. They are using the Phoenix Suns ploy of applying physical pressure on Wemby, packing the paint against the three headed guard monster that the Spurs have and the guys - both the stars and the role players haven't reacted well in total as yet. It doesn't help that the Spurs second-third string among the forwards beyond Champagnie is all flawed now that Barnes is badly slumping, Bryant is a tyro and Sochan has become a drag. So, the Spurs need help from Wright in getting another pressure release valve in the forward position who will rebound and shoot.
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Personnel excuses are absolutely invalid since we keep losing or barely winning against the worst teams in the league.
 
It's just more of the random bs reporters throw around before the deadline.
An undersized, defensive PG that's also a subpar shooter is the last thing we need.
 
Ice009 said:
If it's not a multi-team deal and the Spurs are genuinely interested in Alvarado, does that possibly mean they're open to trading one of the PGs? Or could it be to sit Castle and let him heal his hand up? Very interesting if this is legit.
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It would make sense if we were looking at another deal moving one of our PG's. I think its more likely that the reporter is just throwing our name in there because he knows we are looking to be buyers at this deadline.
 
Spurs have a little more than a week to add a shooter to the roster and they have enough players/picks to do it and if they don't it's a front office failure.
 
Philly needs to get under the tax, wonder if the 76ers are open to trading Kelly Oubre? Seems like he would be a good fit here.
 
Shmurs said:
First time I’ve said it, actually. What a strange post. Who do you think you’re replying to?

max contract with depreciating physical tools…the physical tools which earned you the contract…there’s no straight up trade out there for Fox unless you get into Lavine country.

I guess now “I keep saying it” because that’s twice now. So maybe you have a point.
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Pretty ironic that Mitch’s biggest failure is going with the bigger guard as the primary ball handler while you simultaneously degrade Fox for being an unappealing small guard with diminishing skills and hating Mitch.

With that lack of self awareness it’s pretty clear you’re the girl who will never be happy.
 
LeBowen said:
Honestly, I don't give a single care what does anyone from the media say about the Spurs.
I'm sure that I and most of us in here have a better insight on the situation than 99% of the media people being paid to write predictions and rankings.

How exactly was 44.5 a realistic prediction?
Last season we were on .500 record pace, give or take a few wins before the Fox trade.
If Fox and Wemby stayed healthy, with Mitch being allowed to bench CP3, we would've surely won 45 games.
The same roster this season, an extra summer of growth for all the young players, Fox fixes his finger, we get the #2 pick, sign one of the best backup bigs in the league and the prediction is still at 44.5 wins? Sorry, but that's just bs.


Personnel excuses are absolutely invalid since we keep losing or barely winning against the worst teams in the league.
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Your issue doesn't seem to be the 44.5 wins, but that you seem to have had higher expectations than the mainstream media and the Spurs aren't living upto it. It is difficult to believe that you had an expectation that they would be challenging the OKC Thunder for the domination of the West (if this current situation was an underperformance) after the Spurs never made the playoffs in more than half a decade.. and won just a handful of games even after drafting Wemby.

The more plausible explanation is that your reading of the Spurs' current situation is really wrong. If the Spurs fall into the play-in position from where they are now in the next few days.. I will agree with you. But such is not the case and we need to reserve judgement. One bad run doesn't entail calling the season a failure and that too because of the coaching.
 
spursfanfromafar said:
Your issue doesn't seem to be the 44.5 wins, but that you seem to have had higher expectations than the mainstream media and the Spurs aren't living upto it.
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They're overperforming my expectations record wise, but our offense has been horrible for almost 20 games now, which is a major concern.
It's not even about making or missing shots, but not getting good quality shots and no matter how hard you try, you can't deny it.

It is difficult to believe that you had an expectation that they would be challenging the OKC Thunder for the domination of the West (if this current situation was an underperformance) after the Spurs never made the playoffs in more than half a decade.. and won just a handful of games even after drafting Wemby.
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H2H matchups are one thing, right now we're closer to the play-in than OKC.

The more plausible explanation is that your reading of the Spurs' current situation is really wrong. If the Spurs fall into the play-in position from where they are now in the next few days.. I will agree with you. But such is not the case and we need to reserve judgement. One bad run doesn't entail calling the season a failure and that too because of the coaching.
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Then you're completely clueless, with all due respect.
You're telling me that playing badly for a month now isn't an issue, but it will be an issue if we lose two more games? I hate that reactionary shit and hindsight posts.
As I said yesterday, I was one of the rare members in here that was fine with the OKC loss because we were playing solid basketball, but shots weren't falling.
I'm not fine with most other games over this month, even those that we won because those wins weren't a product of good basketball, like early season wins were.
But people like you can't see past the scoreboard.
We're trending in the wrong direction and that's undeniable.
Do I want Mitch to be fired mid-season or some of the key players to be traded? No, that would be idiotic.
But there has to be accountability instead of "physicality and effort" excuses that are an insult to every knowledgeable fan's intelligence.
 
BacktoBasics said:
Pretty ironic that Mitch’s biggest failure is going with the bigger guard as the primary ball handler while you simultaneously degrade Fox for being an unappealing small guard with diminishing skills and hating Mitch.

With that lack of self awareness it’s pretty clear you’re the girl who will never be happy.
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Do you have a general impression of how much Fox makes? Do you follow the general trade market for high paid guards? Do you have an example of a trade for Fox that you think is viable (even if you wouldn’t do the deal)?

Very clearly, youre getting defensive about the basketball team you like, and are forgoing any kind of argument or making any kind of point. You’re just looking at a criticism of a contract and seeing red, thinking all the big kids are out to break the toy you like. But this is about moving a 60 million dollar contract in an unfriendly market. Feel free to recalibrate.
 
LeBowen said:
But there has to be accountability instead of "physicality and effort" excuses that are an insult to every knowledgeable fan's intelligence.
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How do you define accountability? And if Mitch was held accountable by your definition, how would that help the Spurs win more games?
 
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