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How do you define accountability? And if Mitch was held accountable by your definition, how would that help the Spurs win more games?
Saying that he made some mistakes gameplan wise would be a start.
There's a big difference in losing with the right gameplan that doesn't get executed well enough and losing because the gameplan was wrong.
In most games last month, even wins, our gameplan wasn't good enough.
Which happens to even the best coaches, it's the best league in the world, after all.
It's just that good coaches adapt and learn from their mistakes, while right now it seems that Spurs are trying to pound the rock with the wrong gameplan.
 
I mean, Pop did use to pull the soft card every now and then. Can't remember the first or last time he said it, but I do recall him saying it a few times in the very early 2000s and usually the team responded.
Not sure if Mitch is trying to do something similar, as the Spurs aren't playing physical enough so he's not totally wrong there, but obviously that is not the only problem.
 
They're overperforming my expectations record wise, but our offense has been horrible for almost 20 games now, which is a major concern.
It's not even about making or missing shots, but not getting good quality shots and no matter how hard you try, you can't deny it.


H2H matchups are one thing, right now we're closer to the play-in than OKC.


Then you're completely clueless, with all due respect.
You're telling me that playing badly for a month now isn't an issue, but it will be an issue if we lose two more games? I hate that reactionary shit and hindsight posts.
As I said yesterday, I was one of the rare members in here that was fine with the OKC loss because we were playing solid basketball, but shots weren't falling.
I'm not fine with most other games over this month, even those that we won because those wins weren't a product of good basketball, like early season wins were.
But people like you can't see past the scoreboard.
We're trending in the wrong direction and that's undeniable.
Do I want Mitch to be fired mid-season or some of the key players to be traded? No, that would be idiotic.
But there has to be accountability instead of "physicality and effort" excuses that are an insult to every knowledgeable fan's intelligence.
Your posts, complaining about Mitch or invoking Mitch for every issue that the Spurs have or even for solutions such as Aldama is where the problem lies. It's a one-eyed fixation with making a culprit out of a bad run rather than understanding the core issue that plagues the Spurs during this bad run. Which is tied to the way the Spurs are constructed.

What accountability are you talking about? That the Spurs head coach will write a blogpost explaining where he was at fault to assuage your hurt feelings?

That the Spurs head coach is preaching to his team that they need to up their physicality and effort in order to contend in each team is as much accountability as you can expect rather than the false modesty of "I and my schemes are to be blamed". It is ironical that you call yourself knowledgeable without understanding that what coaches say to the media and how they figure out their business behind the screens.

This is January and we are barely past half the season. Two of the top 4 Spurs players are a rookie and a sophomore, both of them are prodigious but suffer from a shooting flaw, which will take time and effort to fix. The Spurs linchpin, Wemby is learning to tackle hard physicality without giving up on efficiency. It will be successful on some days, it wont' on others before he stabilizes into a Duncan-like force with consistency. An overachieving Spurs team is now tackling the problem of living upto new expectations. And their flaws are being exposed because of roster construction and some bets that have failed - the long term PF expectation about Sochan in particular. This is par for course for any team that is on the cusp of contention. No team goes from not even making the play-in to be a contender right away.

As I said, give it some more time before going on a woe and moan fest that you are putting up in every post of yours.
 
Back to trade ideas…

I hope this Aldama rumor is true. I and a few others (I think @RC_Drunkford especially IIRC, but I know there are more) that have pined for Santi for a long time.

Santi is the Temu Lauri, and honestly a Temu Lauri fits better than the real thing for us, unless we plan on moving someone out and completely changing the pecking order of the offense, which seems very doubtful. Of course, that’s also before considering the cost.

If we hear anymore whispers about Santi, we need a thread fired up stat and we have only a week to get it to 100 pages!
 
Your posts, complaining about Mitch or invoking Mitch for every issue that the Spurs have or even for solutions such as Aldama is where the problem lies. It's a one-eyed fixation with making a culprit out of a bad run rather than understanding the core issue that plagues the Spurs during this bad run. Which is tied to the way the Spurs are constructed.
And who exactly should be responsible for what we've been seeing over the past month?
A bunch of young players that don't know any better?
We're still the 4th best defense over the past 15 games, meaning the effort is there.
And 24th offense. I don't think any of our players aren't interested in playing offense, it's just that they don't know what to do in a lot of situations because guard play has been terrible.
That's the core issue.
You say that I'm fixated on something while thinking getting another off the ball player would magically solve our issues.

Barnes isn't hitting his shots, but the defenders aren't sagging off him. They're guarding him more closely than they'd guard Aldama or whoever we can get at PF.
Meaning it's not a spacing issue scheme wise.
This is Wemby's team with three guards being the main complementary pieces. Spurs should be an elite paint attacking team. But they're not.
Wemby sitting at the 3pt line is far from optimal, but it does provide spacing.
And our guards still don't get to the basket like they did earlier in the season and keep settling for awful shots.
Our half-court offense is stagnant and reduced to taking turns, playing the simplest form of drive and kick.
But you'll deny it because Wemby gets hot against Markknen-less Jazz and it's a W in your book.

What accountability are you talking about? That the Spurs head coach will write a blogpost explaining where he was at fault to assuage your hurt feelings?

That the Spurs head coach is preaching to his team that they need to up their physicality and effort in order to contend in each team is as much accountability as you can expect rather than the false modesty of "I and my schemes are to be blamed". It is ironical that you call yourself knowledgeable without understanding that what coaches say to the media and how they figure out their business behind the screens.
Do you ever listen to any other coaches?
There's no need for any explanations, I just want him to say that he made mistakes in the gameplan and is working on fixing them instead of the idiotic physicality bs when he was the one that decided we'll play a lineup that's significantly smaller in 4/5 positions than the Pelicans.
If you and me were guarding Zion and Bey, Mitch would still say we lacked physicality instead of saying the personnel was wrong.

Two of the top 4 Spurs players are a rookie and a sophomore, both of them are prodigious but suffer from a shooting flaw, which will take time and effort to fix.
That's exactly my point.
We're playing Castle as if he's a 10 year veteran who's in a slump and will get out of it.
You don't force him to do the thing that has been hurting the team game in and game out.
Adjust his role, let him work out what he needs to do better in practices, give him easier matchups instead of forcing him to pound the rock while the player you just paid 200+ million sits in the corner.
As scott said, we bought a mansion and decided we won't use it.
But the other yong guard that's struggling has the shortest top pick leash I've ever seen and can't even stay in the game when he's the main reason for the momentum shift.

And their flaws are being exposed because of roster construction and some bets that have failed
Every roster has flaws, even OKC.
You don't need a perfect roster to play good basketball.
In short, we have arguably the best big man floor spacer in the league and we still can't get the offense flowing nicely with supposedly elite paint penetrators.
Only blind homers refuse to acknowledge that.

No team goes from not even making the play-in to be a contender right away.
Who said anything about contending?
We've been playing garbage basketball against the worst teams in the league for a month and there's no excuse for that.
The team had three days of rest and played their worst game of the season against the worst team in the league. At home.

As I said, give it some more time before going on a woe and moan fest that you are putting up in every post of yours.
Is anyone forcing you to read my posts? No.
Gtfo with that shit, I'm not insulting anyone or even dragging anyone into these discussions. If you don't want to read it, scroll past my posts.
You also have the ignore function.
 
What kind of pick compensation would be required for Temu Lauri with 2.5 years left on his deal? I think the this year's Atlanta pick top four protected would be pretty close.
 
Santi makes a lot of sense but who knows what the f the grizz’s plans are. Very clever idea, though.

Hey - how much do we think Pop is still involved in everything? He looks like complete shit, still. And he already aged out of the job before the stroke. If he’s even 15% of the influence in the room that actually seems very problematic. In fact, I think a guy in his position even holding a token title is an extremely unhealthy thing and should be corrected this offseason.
 
What kind of pick compensation would be required for Temu Lauri with 2.5 years left on his deal? I think the this year's Atlanta pick top four protected would be pretty close.
I think the 2027 ATL pick + expiring money is probably pretty close. Maybe some extra seconds?
 
I don't got many trade ideas per se. But, has anyone else been having a feeling that the Spurs are absolutely primed to execute a trade on this deadline?

The team really did it perfectly -- a hot and promising start to the season to hype fans and FO alike, followed by a down period of trodding to show some deficiencies that are hurting the potential. It's the perfect recipe for a mid-season acquisition.

I've got that tingling hunch that the Spurs are one of the teams queued up and waiting for the Giannis shoe to drop.... :st-stirthepot:
 
Back to trade ideas…

I hope this Aldama rumor is true. I and a few others (I think @RC_Drunkford especially IIRC, but I know there are more) that have pined for Santi for a long time.

Santi is the Temu Lauri, and honestly a Temu Lauri fits better than the real thing for us, unless we plan on moving someone out and completely changing the pecking order of the offense, which seems very doubtful. Of course, that’s also before considering the cost.

If we hear anymore whispers about Santi, we need a thread fired up stat and we have only a week to get it to 100 pages!
Would love Aldama, because the Spurs really can't afford the "real Lauri" at all with the Fox max and stuff. Temu Lauri sounds like a very hot, succulent Chinese meal right now...
 
I don't got many trade ideas per se. But, has anyone else been having a feeling that the Spurs are absolutely primed to execute a trade on this deadline?

The team really did it perfectly -- a hot and promising start to the season to hype fans and FO alike, followed by a down period of trodding to show some deficiencies that are hurting the potential. It's the perfect recipe for a mid-season acquisition.

I've got that tingling hunch that the Spurs are one of the teams queued up and waiting for the Giannis shoe to drop.... :st-stirthepot:
You were confident we'd do something big before we did the Fox trade (though I think you predicted in the summer, not at the deadline?) - so I'm hoping you are right again!
 
Do you have a general impression of how much Fox makes? Do you follow the general trade market for high paid guards? Do you have an example of a trade for Fox that you think is viable (even if you wouldn’t do the deal)?

Very clearly, youre getting defensive about the basketball team you like, and are forgoing any kind of argument or making any kind of point. You’re just looking at a criticism of a contract and seeing red, thinking all the big kids are out to break the toy you like. But this is about moving a 60 million dollar contract in an unfriendly market. Feel free to recalibrate.
These claims you make are for you to back up not me to proactively refute with examples.
 
I don't got many trade ideas per se. But, has anyone else been having a feeling that the Spurs are absolutely primed to execute a trade on this deadline?

The team really did it perfectly -- a hot and promising start to the season to hype fans and FO alike, followed by a down period of trodding to show some deficiencies that are hurting the potential. It's the perfect recipe for a mid-season acquisition.

I've got that tingling hunch that the Spurs are one of the teams queued up and waiting for the Giannis shoe to drop.... :st-stirthepot:
Not at all honestly. I fully expect them to stand pat or make some minor move on the margins
 
I think the 2027 ATL pick + expiring money is probably pretty close. Maybe some extra seconds?
What would the protections look like on that 27 pick? Unprotected is risky.

Then again the Hawks could land Giannis. They really should make a run at him. It makes so much sense.
 
Santi makes a lot of sense but who knows what the f the grizz’s plans are. Very clever idea, though.

Hey - how much do we think Pop is still involved in everything? He looks like complete shit, still. And he already aged out of the job before the stroke. If he’s even 15% of the influence in the room that actually seems very problematic. In fact, I think a guy in his position even holding a token title is an extremely unhealthy thing and should be corrected this offseason.
Another pointless take where you tear people down with zero evidence of any kind of negative impact.

Seeing a guy labor while walking and concluding that he’s causing damage to the team or himself by hanging around a franchise he helped put on the map is god tier level trolling and pretty stupid.

He’s had a profoundly positive impact on players lives and his presence even in the most minuscule capacity is a real benefit.
 
Santi makes a lot of sense but who knows what the f the grizz’s plans are. Very clever idea, though.

Hey - how much do we think Pop is still involved in everything? He looks like complete shit, still. And he already aged out of the job before the stroke. If he’s even 15% of the influence in the room that actually seems very problematic. In fact, I think a guy in his position even holding a token title is an extremely unhealthy thing and should be corrected this offseason.
I've been wondering if Pop is behind the decision to play Castle as the primary PG which turns Fox into an off ball guard?
 
Aldama is high on my list and he seems like such a valuable piece tot he puzzle here, IF we start running actual offensive sets. Santi is a great back-cutter, but if he and Fox are just standing in opposite corners, what's the point? In a way, I see Aldama as younger version of the optimal KO role. Better 3pt shooter and can actually move. A bit of a chaos merchant. That tracks for fitting in here. Pushing Barnes to the bench would be such a gift, too.

There's plenty of time to turn things around and the fact that the Spurs have trotted out so many lineups will be an advantage come playoff time unlike Den/Det who everyone will know exactly what they do. Alvarado on the other hand is a head-scratcher, but such a fire plug. With Jordan Poole and DJM coming back it makes sense to let Fears get those backup mins as they fall to the bottom of the standings.
 
I think the 2027 ATL pick + expiring money is probably pretty close. Maybe some extra seconds?
I think they'll want quite a bit more than that... They got 4 firsts for Bane, and picked Aldama over Bane.
 
I wouldn't trade a FRP for Aldama unless he agrees to opt out of his 27-28 option and extends for a reasonable price next summer.
If he hits FA in 2028 we won't be able to extend him and I'm not sure 2.5 seasons of Aldama are worth a FRP, especially if it's one of the Hawks picks.
 
What about MPJ?
He would immediately be our starting PF, hits a lot of 3s including movement shots, is a decent rebounder.

Would the Nets give him up for a 1st and several 2nds? I know they want several first right now but we'll see if anyone bites on that.
Barnes and Olynyk works salarywise.
He only has one more season on his deal after this year, just in time for Wemby extension (and Keldon).
 
I think they'll want quite a bit more than that... They got 4 firsts for Bane, and picked Aldama over Bane.
The fact they picked Aldama before Bane is kind of irrelevant. They gave Bane a 5/$197 rookie extension while they gave Aldama a 2+1/$52. Just by contract value alone, they valued Bane at 4x over Aldama.
 
I wouldn't trade a FRP for Aldama unless he agrees to opt out of his 27-28 option and extends for a reasonable price next summer.
If he hits FA in 2028 we won't be able to extend him and I'm not sure 2.5 seasons of Aldama are worth a FRP, especially if it's one of the Hawks picks.
We're now considering 2.5 years to be rentals? We're losing the plot here.

Also, he can't opt out... it's a club option.
 
The fact they picked Aldama before Bane is kind of irrelevant. They gave Bane a 5/$197 rookie extension while they gave Aldama a 2+1/$52. Just by contract value alone, they valued Bane at 4x over Aldama.
Not picked before, picked over. There was that fight between Bane and Aldama, and they decided Aldama was the guy to keep around... Admittedly, part of that choice was undoubtedly the cap-space considerations.
 
We're now considering 2.5 years to be rentals? We're losing the plot here.
That's just me, I'd rather not give up FRPs for players that aren't a part of long term plans. And Wright probably thinks the same.
Especially not the Hawks picks. If it's something like '29 SAS top20 protected, then fine.

Also, he can't opt out... it's a club option.
My bad. It would still be nice to work something out.

Not picked before, picked over. There was that fight between Bane and Aldama, and they decided Aldama was the guy to keep around... Admittedly, part of that choice was undoubtedly the cap-space considerations.
Those two literally fought each other during a game, one had to go.
Magic offer was too good to refuse.
 
Not picked before, picked over. There was that fight between Bane and Aldama, and they decided Aldama was the guy to keep around... Admittedly, part of that choice was undoubtedly the cap-space considerations.
Ah gotcha, sorry I misunderstood.

Yeah I'm not sure it was a matter of liking Santi the player more than Bane the player as much as it was "let's trade the guy with the near-max deal who will get us a bunch of picks in return". But I see your point.

The one ATL pick might not be enough, you are right... but I'm not sure I'd offer more other than some SRPs. Edit: I mean that to say I wouldn't offer more than the ATL pick PLUS some SRPs.
 
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