Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

In the land of make believe.... what would the Spurs have to offer to get Michael Porter Jr from the Nets? No doubt they are selling, but could we get him for expiring match, a first, and some future seconds? Nets want to tank...
 
Bopper said:
In the land of make believe.... what would the Spurs have to offer to get Michael Porter Jr from the Nets? No doubt they are selling, but could we get him for expiring match, a first, and some future seconds? Nets want to tank...
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He's the new Cam Johnson (on the same team in the same role, ironically enough)... stats propped up by being the man on a crappy team, being showcased for a trade. The Nets are probably expecting multiple FRPs for him, and a desperate team like GSW might just go for it.

I think he's in a similar boat as TMIII for me. Is he good? Yes. Would he better than Vassell and be a better fit? Maybe, but marginally. He's worth more to their teams (and other teams) than they are to us and to what it would cost us to get them.
 
scott said:
He's the new Cam Johnson (on the same team in the same role, ironically enough)... stats propped up by being the man on a crappy team, being showcased for a trade. The Nets are probably expecting multiple FRPs for him, and a desperate team like GSW might just go for it.

I think he's in a similar boat as TMIII for me. Is he good? Yes. Would he better than Vassell and be a better fit? Maybe, but marginally. He's worth more to their teams (and other teams) than they are to us and to what it would cost us to get them.
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I think that he'd be far more valuable than either Cam or Murphy short term because he's a proven champion and his shooting doesn't drop off in the playoffs.
And maybe even more importantly, he's a very good rebounder.

Out of our price range, not even worth seriously considering him, but he'd be a perfect upgrade over Barnes.
 
LeBowen said:
I think that he'd be far more valuable than either Cam or Murphy short term because he's a proven champion and his shooting doesn't drop off in the playoffs.
And maybe even more importantly, he's a very good rebounder.

Out of our price range, not even worth seriously considering him, but he'd be a perfect upgrade over Barnes.
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Personally I wouldn't call him the "perfect" replacement for Barnes, unless you're talking about demoting Castle's priority in the offense (which there may be an argument for, but I don't think the Spurs want to do this). Basically, I don't think MPJ is a perfect fit for a 4th/5th option. He's just too good for that (and he won't go for that), but that point that's really what we need.

To me the perfect fit is someone who can shoot, rebound and play decent D but is also ready and willing to play the role that Barnes and Julian are currently playing for us and not complain about it. It's too bad Julian isn't a little bigger because he's kind of turning into that idea PF with the way he is rebounding this season.

Of course it deserves repeating, this is likely the most coveted archetype in the league (and guys who can shoot-rebound-defend are stars, not role players) so we shouldn't feel too bad we haven't found that guy.
 
scott said:
Personally I wouldn't call him the "perfect" replacement for Barnes, unless you're talking about demoting Castle's priority in the offense (which there may be an argument for, but I don't think the Spurs want to do this). Basically, I don't think MPJ is a perfect fit for a 4th/5th option. He's just too good for that (and he won't go for that), but that point that's really what we need.
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He averaged 13 shots at Denver.
Devin is at 12.5 this season and Barnes is at 9.
I don't think it would be that big of a change.

But yeah, I don't think Castle should be even the third scoring option as long as he can't shoot for shit.
That just won't work in the playoffs, we've seen it too many times.
 
scott said:
Personally I wouldn't call him the "perfect" replacement for Barnes, unless you're talking about demoting Castle's priority in the offense (which there may be an argument for, but I don't think the Spurs want to do this). Basically, I don't think MPJ is a perfect fit for a 4th/5th option. He's just too good for that (and he won't go for that), but that point that's really what we need.

To me the perfect fit is someone who can shoot, rebound and play decent D but is also ready and willing to play the role that Barnes and Julian are currently playing for us and not complain about it. It's too bad Julian isn't a little bigger because he's kind of turning into that idea PF with the way he is rebounding this season.

Of course it deserves repeating, this is likely the most coveted archetype in the league (and guys who can shoot-rebound-defend are stars, not role players) so we shouldn't feel too bad we haven't found that guy.
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I dream of Julian's twin Justin joining the Spurs. He is a smidgen smaller than Julian but is a ferocious rebounder both on offense and defense, has a very friendly contract and can shoot the 3 too (this year has been a rollercoaster but he has been better lately). Julian improved because he had a chip on his shoulder and he integrated his game well within the Spurs system. I suspect Justin can do that too. Trouble is that the Wiz have suddenly started to value him for what he brings and what he makes.
 
Clearly, the talent, the clay, is there. Blowing 19-point leads, having three consecutive top four lottery picks, winning two consecutive ROYs, trading for a Clutch Player of the Year, and having a heart-and-soul guy who built himself into a potential Sixth Man of the Year candidate. Oh, let’s not forget the team beat the boogeymen of the 2025–2026 season in three straight games, ending some historic streak of theirs. I know you can trade for head coaches, but that hardly ever happen, and it won’t happen here. We just need a better sculptor, that’s all. A ceramic artist. Right now, Mitch is just throwing clay around.
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A Coaching Trade is what needs to happen.

But hey, don’t let me get in the way of swapping your favorite scapegoat for some pie-in-the-sky “all-world talent” to “win now,” or whatever the internet geniuses like Zach Lowe, Shams, or that Tubby guy are preaching. Those guys are right less often than a broken clock… on daylight savings time.

I didn’t even mention how good Kornet has been. Well, I guess I just did.
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For the sake of unrealistic suggestions, Castle/Olynyk/Barnes for Murphy/Herb/Bey, tbh.

Fox/Harper
Devin/Bey
Murphy/Champ
Herb/Keldon
Wemby/Kornet

Top3 shooting team in the league, tbh, while not losing out on any defense in that trade.
 
LeBowen said:
For the sake of unrealistic suggestions, Castle/Olynyk/Barnes for Murphy/Herb/Bey, tbh.

Fox/Harper
Devin/Bey
Murphy/Champ
Herb/Keldon
Wemby/Kornet

Top3 shooting team in the league, tbh, while not losing out on any defense in that trade.
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That would be a hard team to beat...
 
I cooked up a Dev/Sochan package for Murphy/Bey and just didn't have the stomach to include the picks to get it done.

Just add another big we're good.
 
mo7888 said:
The fact that we are discussing who we'd trade Steph for is something I didn't see coming....but its something that I do understand...
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Theres a good chance castle may suck at at shooting and may never get better,Just like sochan.Dont think we want to wait
another 4 years to find out.
 
What's more likely to happen if Spurs make a deal and bring in fresh meat: New player(s) elevate Spurs, or Spurs drag new player(s) down a notch or two with the current state of malaise?

I'm in favor of a small, incremental upgrade, but beyond that I dont see any deals to be had where we make a significant upgrade in talent. Coaches and players need to figure their shit out; and I think they can, once they pull their collective head out of their ass.

Wrong thread?
 
I understand the Raptors are active in trade talks.
before the hand injury they were reported to explore the AD situation and now it's Sabonis, JJJ was also a mentioned name, now there are rumors about Ja.
so, if they are out there for a significant move, they might need teams to help construct the trade. teams are usually asking for expiring contracts in return, Raptors don't have those.
(reportetly Kings have asked for such contracts for Sabonis and didn't want to take back Quickley and Jakob)

Spurs target would be CMB. Spurs can trow in either expirings (KO, HB), players (Sochan, CB), picks, whatever is needed.
 
They're not trading their rookie.
Barrett, Quickley and Dick are the available players.
They gave Qucikley $32M per season and he's been pretty bad.
 
LeBowen said:
They're not trading their rookie.
Barrett, Quickley and Dick are the available players.
They gave Qucikley $32M per season and he's been pretty bad.
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I would be happy to kick the tires on Gradey Dick for the right price... guy was a locked in shooter at KU
 
mo7888 said:
The fact that we are discussing who we'd trade Steph for is something I didn't see coming....but its something that I do understand...
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Mostly I'm trying to expand the line of thinking from "what can we get for our trash?" to "what big move could we realistically make, and would it be something we'd actually want to do?"

This is not to be interpreted as "you want to shop/trade Steph Castle" - because it's not. But there is a ceiling to what we can acquire by sending out expiring contracts and draft capital. Good players in (usually) require good players out. And of our most valuable assets, to me Castle seems to be the most likely of the 4 to be the one moved, if you were going to move any.

The next point that I hadn't gotten to yet is that I really don't see any "our trash for your useful player" trade that is likely to happen in the next few weeks. The reason we keep talking about the same dudes (John Collins, Seddiq Bey, Dean Wade) is because there simply aren't many options out there that will plug the obvious hole on our team that we can get without giving up something of significance. Furthermore, I don't think the current teams those guys are on are going to simply give us those guys for our scraps.

So that begs the question... if you REALLY wanted to change this... what would it take? Wemby is obviously off limits. A good case can be made that Fox should be the one you consider moving, but frankly that isn't going to happen. That leaves Harper and Castle.

The next two valuable pieces on the Spurs are Devin and Keldon, but we're talking a significant drop off in value from the top 4 guys to them. Kornet might be right there with them, but moving him creates a massive hole we don't want to create.

I have only gone as far as your reply, but I see that some people before you are too fragile for simple thought experiments, I can't wait to read the rest :st-lol:
 
Bopper said:
I would be happy to kick the tires on Gradey Dick for the right price... guy was a locked in shooter at KU
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Interesting profile so far in the NBA. His offensive is going backwards while his defensive metrics are improving across the board. I might be willing to do Sochan plus a low value 2nd round pick for Grady Dick. Might be worth swing.
 
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