Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[onechance87]

Sochan had a fucked up broken shot, but go ahead and trade the next Derrick White…

Fine i wont trade him then

 

[Mugen]

Spurs would love Dick tbh.

 

[Robz4000]

Spurs would love Dick tbh.

They wanna see det Dick in a Spurs uniform.

 

[Ariel]

I understand the Raptors are active in trade talks.
before the hand injury they were reported to explore the AD situation and now it's Sabonis, JJJ was also a mentioned name, now there are rumors about Ja.
so, if they are out there for a significant move, they might need teams to help construct the trade. teams are usually asking for expiring contracts in return, Raptors don't have those.
(reportetly Kings have asked for such contracts for Sabonis and didn't want to take back Quickley and Jakob)

Spurs target would be CMB. Spurs can trow in either expirings (KO, HB), players (Sochan, CB), picks, whatever is needed.

New Orleans called and offered every team in the 8-13 range the same deal they gave Atlanta (unprotected best of NO / Milwaukee '26 which the entire league thought was a great asset -thus the outrage- + #23 in 2025) and they all passed, it's fair to conclude all of those teams were pretty damn high on whoever they took to pass on that deal, including Toronto on CMB at #9. There are no real reasons why that would have changed to the point they move him for scraps. So I don't see this as a realistic option for the Spurs.

 

[1kangaroo]

I swear people are over reacting on Castle he is struggling in his sophomore year in this stretch he has made improvements last year it's called growing pains but he is not lazy and he is putting in work we can see that from last year to this year.

Bailing on a young player having a rough stretch in year two is goofy as hell the Spurs are not going to trade Castle this year because he has had some bad games in this stretch.

 

[BacktoBasics]

I swear people are over reacting on Castle he is struggling in his sophomore year in this stretch he has made improvements last year it's called growing pains but he is not lazy and he is putting in work we can see that from last year to this year.

Bailing on a young player having a rough stretch in year two is goofy as hell the Spurs are not going to trade Castle this year because he has had some bad games in this stretch.

Stop being reasonable and grounded in reality. We have no time for that shit here.

You’ll need to make outrageous knee jerk comments and attempt to trade our players for lesser talent with a single better attribute and like it.

 

[PocketMonger]

Spurs have been in a funk ever since beating the Thunder three times in two weeks. Not surprising given the high of that accomplishment along with being such a young team. They'll snap out of it.

 

[mo7888]

Mostly I'm trying to expand the line of thinking from "what can we get for our trash?" to "what big move could we realistically make, and would it be something we'd actually want to do?"

This is not to be interpreted as "you want to shop/trade Steph Castle" - because it's not. But there is a ceiling to what we can acquire by sending out expiring contracts and draft capital. Good players in (usually) require good players out. And of our most valuable assets, to me Castle seems to be the most likely of the 4 to be the one moved, if you were going to move any.

The next point that I hadn't gotten to yet is that I really don't see any "our trash for your useful player" trade that is likely to happen in the next few weeks. The reason we keep talking about the same dudes (John Collins, Seddiq Bey, Dean Wade) is because there simply aren't many options out there that will plug the obvious hole on our team that we can get without giving up something of significance. Furthermore, I don't think the current teams those guys are on are going to simply give us those guys for our scraps.

So that begs the question... if you REALLY wanted to change this... what would it take? Wemby is obviously off limits. A good case can be made that Fox should be the one you consider moving, but frankly that isn't going to happen. That leaves Harper and Castle.

The next two valuable pieces on the Spurs are Devin and Keldon, but we're talking a significant drop off in value from the top 4 guys to them. Kornet might be right there with them, but moving him creates a massive hole we don't want to create.

I have only gone as far as your reply, but I see that some people before you are too fragile for simple thought experiments, I can't wait to read the rest

I like the way you're thinking because I think like that. Like, looking above Ex said something to the effect of "You wanna trade the next Derrick White", well, are we projecting to pay Castle DW money or max money? That's a huge distinction. If we can keep him at DW money I wouldn't consider trading him, but if we're looking at max money then you have to consider it with his shooting woe's.

I doubt Castle's value is ever going to be any higher than it is now. Any trade involving him is going to be close to blockbuster level. I'm not sure TM is a big enough target, but that particular trade would be close to a perfect fit. I'd still want a 3rd center and a real PF because Herb has some limitations related to bulk.

 

[scott]

I like the way you're thinking because I think like that. Like, looking above Ex said something to the effect of "You wanna trade the next Derrick White", well, are we projecting to pay Castle DW money or max money? That's a huge distinction. If we can keep him at DW money I wouldn't consider trading him, but if we're looking at max money then you have to consider it with his shooting woe's.

I doubt Castle's value is ever going to be any higher than it is now. Any trade involving him is going to be close to blockbuster level. I'm not sure TM is a big enough target, but that particular trade would be close to a perfect fit. I'd still want a 3rd center and a real PF because Herb has some limitations related to bulk.

I haven't thought about TMIII in context of Castle, but I think that's more realistic than some of the ideas (our trash plus picks) for him. Every time we lose a game, everyone is ready to trade for TMIII... so, are folks willing to give up Castle? I founded the Spurs TMIII Fan Club, but I wouldn't make that deal. Trey is not a big enough fish for Castle, IMO.

And for all those who still haven't figured it out... this isn't a "how do we trade Castle" exercise... it's a "what's your pain tolerance to acquire a big fish" exercise.

 

[Ice009]

I'm actually going to try and watch some Celtics games (primarily for DW). Derrick White has really turned himself into a darn good player.

 

[PocketMonger]

I'm actually going to try and watch some Celtics games (primarily for DW). Derrick White has really turned himself into a darn good player.

Boston might be Tatum back for the playoffs. White isn't for sale.

 

[Ice009]

Boston might be Tatum back for the playoffs. White isn't for sale.

Where did I say I was looking to trade for DW? I want to watch him play is all I said because I really like his game.

If Tatum comes back and has healed up well, they could make a run for the finals.

 

[BacktoBasics]

I haven't thought about TMIII in context of Castle, but I think that's more realistic than some of the ideas (our trash plus picks) for him. Every time we lose a game, everyone is ready to trade for TMIII... so, are folks willing to give up Castle? I founded the Spurs TMIII Fan Club, but I wouldn't make that deal. Trey is not a big enough fish for Castle, IMO.

And for all those who still haven't figured it out... this isn't a "how do we trade Castle" exercise... it's a "what's your pain tolerance to acquire a big fish" exercise.

Obviously the slump is troubling but even with Victor and/or Fox out Castle has impacted winning.

TM3 hasn’t really had any impact at all.

Also it’s crazy that some think this is the peak of Castles value.

 

[mo7888]

I haven't thought about TMIII in context of Castle, but I think that's more realistic than some of the ideas (our trash plus picks) for him. Every time we lose a game, everyone is ready to trade for TMIII... so, are folks willing to give up Castle? I founded the Spurs TMIII Fan Club, but I wouldn't make that deal. Trey is not a big enough fish for Castle, IMO.

And for all those who still haven't figured it out... this isn't a "how do we trade Castle" exercise... it's a "what's your pain tolerance to acquire a big fish" exercise.

I think you could probably break it into tiers. Guys like Paulo, Franz, or even (dare I say) Jalen Johnson, could be in the range that Castle could pull along with matching salary. Then there's big game hunting if you want to add picks and go for (gulp) Giannis.

Or if you really wanna shake things up without going full Giannis...

Memphis- Olynyk + Sochan + 2027 Atlanta

Pelicans- Castle + Barnes

Spurs- TM + Bey + Aldama

And it leaves an open spot for a buyout 3rd syringe center, since we are determined to keep Biyombo

 

[LeBowen]

I think our "budget" for the deadline is Sochan, Olynyk, 1 FRP and a bunch of SRPs.

We need a PF/C that can shoot, imo.
Okongwu and Aldama make the most sense and fit salary wise for those two.

Both those teams are seemingly on the verge of making more moves, I guess we're just waiting to see how it plays out.
Or we wait for Porzingis to get traded and bought out, then hope he stays healthy for the playoffs.

 

[mo7888]

Obviously the slump is troubling but even with Victor and/or Fox out Castle has impacted winning.

TM3 hasn’t really had any impact at all.

Also it’s crazy that some think this is the peak of Castles value.

Maybe its crazy, but his value only increases if he learns to shoot. Until then he's a great young prospect who's salary will be increasing and who expects a max contract (like most ROY).

 

[scott]

Obviously the slump is troubling but even with Victor and/or Fox out Castle has impacted winning.

TM3 hasn’t really had any impact at all.

Also it’s crazy that some think this is the peak of Castles value.

This is my biggest concern. TMIII has only proven that he can put up numbers on a bad team. Some guys can translate that to contributing to winning basketball (like Devin and Keldon have this year, honestly) and other guys can't. It's a big risk to pay a big price for a guy who has never proven he can be a winner (ATL paying big time for DJM, for example).

As for the peak's of Castle's value... I don't this this is the peak of his value, but I also don't think it's out of the question to hypothesize it might be. If the shot never comes around, this may indeed be the peak.

 

[scott]

I think our "budget" for the deadline is Sochan, Olynyk, 1 FRP and a bunch of SRPs.

We need a PF/C that can shoot, imo.
Okongwu and Aldama make the most sense and fit salary wise for those two.

Both those teams are seemingly on the verge of making more moves, I guess we're just waiting to see how it plays out.
Or we wait for Porzingis to get traded and bought out, then hope he stays healthy for the playoffs.

Tingus would be the best case scenario for a budget addition, IMO, but it definitely relies upon him getting bought out which I think only actually happens if he gets traded specifically to Dallas, which seems more and more unlikely.

I would love Aldama, we need him to somehow get shaken free in a Ja deal where our expiring deals are needed to facilitate... seems like a long shot, but crazier things have happened. I really can't see ATL making Okongwu available.

I like the way you are thinking with our "budget" but I get the feeling that perhaps a FRP isn't part of the budget... and with that budget, we just have to hope to get lucky as a facilitator for other deals. Is there anyone who needs salary reduction? That might be the other option if someone can save a few million by swapping out something for Sochan. Hauser for Sochan might be my favorite of these examples, and saves BOS $2.9MM this year in addition to Hauser's remaining money. But then you have to ask... is having Hauser on our books for two more years really what we want? Are we then talking about having to find a home for Hauser or is he a good enough upgrade for us?

I'm less optimistic about getting something useful for Olynyk and Sochan at this point... I think there are more intriguing expiring deals out there and I don't think Brian is gonna open up the pick bank at this time. This is okay, but it really means we aren't going to be title contenders this year (which is also okay).

 

[LeBowen]

Is there anyone who needs salary reduction?

Sixers need to shed around $9M to get under the luxury line, but I don't think we'd be interested in Oubre and they seem to be competing.

 

[PocketMonger]

The impact on winning stuff is overrated. How much impact did KJ have on winning before our stars arrived? You can add Champ and Dev to that list and even Fox outside of one season with the Kings.

The only guys who can carry otherwise bad to mediocre teams to good seasons are top 12 players like first stint Cavs LeBron or Giannis when healthy this season. Even a top 25 player like Fox could only do so much with the Kings.

 

[Valparaiso]

I understand the Raptors are active in trade talks.
before the hand injury they were reported to explore the AD situation and now it's Sabonis, JJJ was also a mentioned name, now there are rumors about Ja.
so, if they are out there for a significant move, they might need teams to help construct the trade. teams are usually asking for expiring contracts in return, Raptors don't have those.
(reportetly Kings have asked for such contracts for Sabonis and didn't want to take back Quickley and Jakob)

Spurs target would be CMB. Spurs can trow in either expirings (KO, HB), players (Sochan, CB), picks, whatever is needed.

Toronto seems to love CMB and he just had his best game last night with 17 pts, 15 rebs, 3 assists, 3 stls, & 3 blocks... it'd take a lot to pry him from them now.

 

[BacktoBasics]

The impact on winning stuff is overrated. How much impact did KJ have on winning before our stars arrived? You can add Champ and Dev to that list and even Fox outside of one season with the Kings.

The only guys who can carry otherwise bad to mediocre teams to good seasons are top 12 players like first stint Cavs LeBron or Giannis when healthy this season. Even a top 25 player like Fox could only do so much with the Kings.

In the case of Fox he at least impacted being competitive.

I definitely don’t think TM3 has impacted his team much at all.

But I will concede that teammates can matter.

 

[scott]

In the case of Fox he at least impacted being competitive.

I definitely don’t think TM3 has impacted his team much at all.

But I will concede that teammates can matter.

Yeah, I don't think it completely disqualifies guys from potentially being good on a winning team, but it does create a question mark. There are definitely guys who are not winning players who put up stats on bad teams... and there are guys who just need an opportunity to be on a winning team.

And to be completely honest, even though I'm a Fox believer... it is fair to ask which one of those kinds of guys De'Aaron is. And because of that (and our general lack of playoff experience), I'm hesitant to pay a big price for more of those guys.

 

[PocketMonger]

In the case of Fox he at least impacted being competitive.

I definitely don’t think TM3 has impacted his team much at all.

But I will concede that teammates can matter.

You can add guys like Bam and Lauri to the list as well and Paulo last season.

It also in some ways makes Trea Young's Atlanta run more impressive. A lot of top 30 players can't consistently lift their teams to the playoffs even in a dog water eastern conference but somehow a under sized guard with bad defense and no rebounding managed to do so.

 

[Ariel]

Impacting winning has as much to do with context as it does with intrinsic qualities, Gordon didn't impact winning until he found himself on Denver, Derrick White didn't impact winning until he got to Boston, Iguodala didn't impact winning until he got to the GSW, and there are countless other examples. TMIII is a good player who will for sure impact winning on the right team, that could be the Spurs IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, but it may very well be the case that it takes so much to acquire him that it defeats the purpose. I would be willing to move Castle in the right deal as I was at the start of the season (when some acted like it was some sort of sacrilege to say), but that isn't TMIII by himself.

If the Spurs are to maximize the 3 guards + Wemby, they need to make moves that improve spacing and rebounding, not necessarily sexy moves, but moves nonetheless. I won't bring up the same names over and over, but I'm sure there are unheralded players who can help for not a lot. Who they are I don't know, I'm not watching bball 24/7 so I might go overboard when someone does catch my eye (like Kalkbrenner, Ajay Mitchell, Deni & TMIII 2+ years ago, etc), but the Spurs have the resources to be able to do this, like many other teams do. If they can't, well, maybe they should take it as a hint they should go hunting for scouts before players.