Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

Spurs need to dump Vassell to some stupid team, Indiana isn't going to take him but Sacramento might.
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I know some are vehemently against trading for DDR, but he's essentially an expiring with only 10 million guaranteed next year. Add 2nd rounders as needed. Come the fuck on Brian, start dialing.
 
Spurs need to dump Vassell to some stupid team, Indiana isn't going to take him but Sacramento might.
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I know some are vehemently against trading for DDR, but he's essentially an expiring with only 10 million guaranteed next year. Add 2nd rounders as needed. Come the fuck on Brian, start dialing.
Respectfully, ew and no. I'd rather just have whatever Devin is.

Unless you're saying we're tanking again...
 
Respectfully, ew and no. I'd rather just have whatever Devin is.
This isn't a nod to DDR, it's an FU to Devin. Getting out of his contract opens the door for being more aggressive in other trades or free agent signings, Spurs are going to have opportunities of signing good 3&D role players simply because of the allure of Wemby and their young up and coming guards, but they need the flexibility to do so. In 6 months you'd wave DDR good bye and have an interesting 3&D role player in Keon Ellis who might give the Spurs a much better bang for the buck than Vassell. Let's face it, Vassell isn't likely to command a lot of interest, it's either a deal like this one or adding a ton of value for a high profile player, which is going to be difficult for salary cap concerns. I want out of the Vassell deal before it's too late.
 
This isn't a nod to DDR, it's an FU to Devin. Getting out of his contract opens the door for being more aggressive in other trades or free agent signings, Spurs are going to have opportunities of signing good 3&D role players simply because of the allure of Wemby and their young up and coming guards, but they need the flexibility to do so. In 6 months you'd wave DDR good bye and have an interesting 3&D role player in Keon Ellis who might give the Spurs a much better bang for the buck than Vassell. Let's face it, Vassell isn't likely to command a lot of interest, it's either a deal like this one or adding a ton of value for a high profile player, which is going to be difficult for salary cap concerns. I want out of the Vassell deal before it's too late.

I agree with your logic of getting off Vassell’s contract. But, if the goal is to save cap space, why not go for someone whose contract expires after this season? Why go for Derozan who, if we waive him, costs us $10 million of dead cap next season?
 
I agree with your logic of getting off Vassell’s contract. But, if the goal is to save cap space, why not go for someone whose contract expires after this season? Why go for Derozan who, if we waive him, costs us $10 million of dead cap next season?
Because I doubt we can find many teams willing to take on his contract, it's probably going to take another distressed asset coming back like it or not, and / or a team that isn't among the league's brightest. Hence, enter DDR and Sacramento. Also, the 10 million in dead money next year is a lot better than the alternative, which is 17 million more next year and 52 the following 2 years.
 
Spurs don’t do FU transactions. Get to know your team!
Spurs paid him 140 million, you can drop me in a parachute butt naked in the middle of the Congo jungle for 1/10th of that sum. In any case, it was more of a figure of speech, he'd go to California to play a larger role while collecting bigger paycheck annually than most people will ever see in their lifetime.
 
Spurs need to dump Vassell to some stupid team, Indiana isn't going to take him but Sacramento might.
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I know some are vehemently against trading for DDR, but he's essentially an expiring with only 10 million guaranteed next year. Add 2nd rounders as needed. Come the fuck on Brian, start dialing.
I think this is actually a decent idea if by midseason it's clear that Vassell is who he is. Vassell's still got a reputation of being a good shooter and scorer around the league and you might be able to talk the kings into him, especially since his defense is much better than DeRozan's. If you cut DeRozan at the end of season, it does simplify some of your future lineups:

Fox-Castle-Champagnie-Barnes-Wemby
Harper-Ellis-Keldon/Bryant/Sochan-Kornet

Ellis is hitting 4.3 3PM/100 possession which puts him on par with Barnes and Champ. Add in the 2026 draft pick and maybe some internal improvement from Castle/Champagnie/Harper/Bryant/Sochan/Wemby and you can make some noise in the playoffs next season with a relatively clean cap and nobody who's on an egregiously bad contract (assuming Fox regresses back to his mean).
 
This isn't a nod to DDR, it's an FU to Devin. Getting out of his contract opens the door for being more aggressive in other trades or free agent signings, Spurs are going to have opportunities of signing good 3&D role players simply because of the allure of Wemby and their young up and coming guards, but they need the flexibility to do so. In 6 months you'd wave DDR good bye and have an interesting 3&D role player in Keon Ellis who might give the Spurs a much better bang for the buck than Vassell. Let's face it, Vassell isn't likely to command a lot of interest, it's either a deal like this one or adding a ton of value for a high profile player, which is going to be difficult for salary cap concerns. I want out of the Vassell deal before it's too late.
But I still have to have DDR back for 6 months... and I really don't want that (unless we're tanking).

I like Keon, but he's going to be a UFA (so is this an attempt to get his Bird rights?) but most importantly he's a combo guard, so when would he get minutes?
 
why do people think Podziemski jumping into Wemby's leg is an indicator of Vic being injury prone all of a sudden? Y'all weird
 
To be honest, I'm not sure Cooper is any more of a "build your franchise around this guy" than Dylan is. To me Flagg seems like a really solid, high-floor Robin type to pair with Wemby... but if I need a guy who can also be Batman, I'll take Dylan (the same I think Cade is this type of guy).

But... I'm optimistic that this actually isn't that big of a deal with Wemby and there is no need to be in Doomer mode.
You could be right about Cooper, but you've also got to remember he's younger than most of the previous star players that have ever come into the league. At the same/similar age, IMO he's looking better than Kobe, T-Mac, KG and some of the youngest players to ever play in the NBA. I'd say so far, he's only behind Lebron at the same age. Maybe he ends up being what you said, but since he's so young, he could still end up being a super batman type star rather than a robin.

I don’t think this current injury speaks to a lack of durability for Wemby. This seems like the new normal for anything calf and hamstring related.

I bet Wemby can go no problem and probably feels ready to play.

I think we’re seeing the peek of teams operating with an abundance of caution. Especially with franchise players.

10 years ago Vic plays and probably nothing comes of it.

Just living in different times these days.

Yeah, I agree, but still, players now are getting more Achilles injuries and no one really knows why. So now, especially if it's a megastar like Victor, teams are obviously not wanting to risk it which is fair enough (I definitely don't want them taking a risk with Victor or Dylan - I'm frustrated, but no way am I not saying to not sit them). For me, it's just, what are they doing different/what is different now compared to before where they were able to play through these and not end up with Achilles injuries/tears?

But I still have to have DDR back for 6 months... and I really don't want that (unless we're tanking).

I like Keon, but he's going to be a UFA (so is this an attempt to get his Bird rights?) but most importantly he's a combo guard, so when would he get minutes?
Would you guys take DeMar if he played any kind of defense? If he was just average on defense, he might be decent as he doesn't have to be the Batman on offense for this current Spurs team. He's not a good playoff performer as the number 1 option, but could be really good as 3rd of 4th. I think the Lakers would have done much better if they chose him over Westbrook back then. Probably too old now even for that, but if he was at least average on defense, he'd be much more valuable.
 
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You could be right about Cooper, but you've also got to remember he's younger than most of the previous star players that have ever come into the league. At the same/similar age, IMO he's looking better than Kobe, T-Mac, KG and some of the youngest players to ever play in the NBA. I'd say so far, he's only behind Lebron at the same age. Maybe he ends up being what you said, but since he's so young, he could still end up being a super batman type star rather than a robin.
I like Cooper a lot, but the thing that, at least based on the VERY limited amount of clips I have seen him (like highlights, the first game and some streams for a few minutes at a time), he seems like a facilitator and isn't yet ready to take over. You are likely right that he is just too young, but even when Kobe came into the league, he would take over games (or try to, for better or worse). T-Mac I never thought of as an alpha as he really is like Durant in that regard (and yes, Durant is a beta, I know I will catch flack for that). I recalled KG looking really good in his rookie season though, his defence was elite and his offence needed some work, but then again, Garnett never became that offensive franchise player though. Dirk was the one I think of who didn't look like a franchise carrying offensive star when he was young, but you have to give Avery credit for forcing him to be more selective in his 3 pointers that turned him into such an unstoppable offensive force. Perhaps Cooper can have that trajectory.

I think Cooper will be a very very good player, perennial all-star level, but I do see him more as a T-Mac/Pippen type, or even a perimeter Garnett type, rather than a Dirk (with defence) or Lebron light type (even though some would argue Lebron is like Pippen 2.0, minus the defence).

Yeah, I agree, but still, players now are getting more Achilles injuries and no one really knows why. So now, especially if it's a megastar like Victor, teams are obviously not wanting to risk it which is fair enough (I definitely don't want them taking a risk with Victor or Dylan - I'm frustrated, but no way am I not saying to not sit them). For me, it's just, what are they doing different/what is different now compared to before where they were able to play through these and not end up with Achilles injuries/tears?

Nothing to back this up, but my guess is combination of over-training and play styles of the game, the later being by far the bigger of the two reasons. The amount of ground a player has to cover is much more than what it was, and the space created from 3s force defensive players to quickly change directions to cover open players constantly, while offensive players are cutting and moving constantly. The distances weren't covered until 2014 season.

Last year teams ran between 17.2 to 19.1 miles per game (offence 9.2 to 10.1, defence 8.0 to 9.2) at a speed of 4.05-4.48mph (4.20 - 4.84 on offence and 3.80 - 4.15 on defence).

When the NBA first tracked these metrics, they were 16.2 to 17.8 miles at 4.03 to 4.43 mph), so the game is going faster and people had to run longer.

From what I recalled, the 90s and 00s, it was dumping the ball down low and other players standing around with the occasional off-ball screen or cut on offence, and the defence reacting accordingly. The Chris Mullins and Reggie Millers constantly running through screens for open shots were the abnormally. That level of strain will get even the best of the athletes.

The conspiracy theorist in me felt the league (I have ZERO backup on this) wanted to have more variance in games for the betting market, so they opened up the game to be more perimeter friendly. The side effect is that there is a whole lot of running and the players are getting hurt much more easily. This feeds into more variance in the betting market as bettors have to guess when players are sitting out and/or have to make last minute changes due to stars being game time decisions, leading to bigger money for the casinos. Yet the team is unwilling to cut back on the 82 game schedule which is absolutely unsustainable due to the rigours required. I laugh at the Jordans or the world who said they were tougher because they played all 82 games at 40 mins a game because half the time players were just standing around. Anyways, the league just wanted their cake (betting revenue) and eat it too (TV and stadium revenues). It is just pure greed at this point.

Would you guys take DeMar if he played any kind of defense? If he was just average on defense, he might be decent as he doesn't have to be the Batman on offense for this current Spurs team. He's not a good playoff performer as the number 1 option, but could be really good as 3rd of 4th. I think the Lakers would have done much better if they chose him over Westbrook back then. Probably too old now even for that, but if he was at least average on defense, he'd be much more valuable.

First of all, he won't play defence. it's not that he isn't trying, he just can't, even when he was young. I just can't understand the logic of piling onto a guy like Keldon, who clearly tries but just can't, then turn around and hypothesize a guy like Demar, who throughout his entire 2 decades of playing ball has not shown any ability to play defence, would suddenly be remotely competent now. Hey Keldon is hopeless, it's year 7 and he still looks lost on defence, but Demar, who is in year 20 or whatever might turn it around!
 
Would you guys take DeMar if he played any kind of defense? If he was just average on defense, he might be decent as he doesn't have to be the Batman on offense for this current Spurs team. He's not a good playoff performer as the number 1 option, but could be really good as 3rd of 4th. I think the Lakers would have done much better if they chose him over Westbrook back then. Probably too old now even for that, but if he was at least average on defense, he'd be much more valuable.
Funny enough, my beef with Demar isn't even about his defense (which is horrible, but can be schemed around and I think Demar could at least follow instruction to not leave his man wide open on the 3pt line).

It's just Demar's offensive game. He's an extremely talented iso scorer, but as we just witnessed on Sunday it just doesn't work in this era of the NBA. We literally just watching him put up an uber efficient 27 points on 12/15 shooting. That's a pretty awesome individual game... and that was good for a team worst -23! It's a one game sample size and +/- has flaws at that level blah blah blah... but that was actually a pretty good microcosm of the problem with DDR in 2025.
 
But I still have to have DDR back for 6 months... and I really don't want that (unless we're tanking).

I like Keon, but he's going to be a UFA (so is this an attempt to get his Bird rights?) but most importantly he's a combo guard, so when would he get minutes?
This is first and foremost an attempt to move off of Vassell's contract while we can and doing so without paying a cost. That in itself shouldn't be understated: he's still on the books for 4 years 105 millon (over 26M AAV), while we've just seen cheaper extensions for Dyson Daniels (4 years 25M AAV), Toumani Camara (4 years 21M AAV), Aaron Nesmith (2 years 20M AAV) Jabari Smith Jr (5 years 24M AAV), all players who may not be your first or second option, but are starting caliber players for playoff teams. In the new apron landscape, a contract such as Vassell going to be hard to move because he is not a top 3 option, or an elite role player on a good team, he's basically an inefficient 4th/5th option with mediocre defense and overall contributions, making like a player two tiers above. You can't expect that contract to have much value in the current market.

Also, I wish I believed he's got room to grow but this is his 6th season and he hasn't shown any substantial improvements that would justify waiting, you hold until you've exhausted every possible argument you can make in his favor, but that comes at the expense of everyone else also finding out. By then it'll be too late and he'll likely be considered a negative that requires assets attached for anyone to take him, while now some incautious team may still take the bet. This is what piques my interest about Sacramento, because they have a history of making boneheaded decisions that not many other franchises would make.

As for Keon Ellis, he's not a combo guard, he's a slightly undersized 3&D with +5 wingspan (6'3.5", 6'8.5") who fits perfectly as a low usage defender who can hit open 3s around the current core, you get to evaluate him up close and have the inner track to re-sign him if you like him, and if not you've taken no long term bad money. Is this the kind of deal you would have expected out of Vassell 3 years ago? certainly not, but reality changes and we need to acknowledge it, he was paid on the expectation of a leap that didn't happen and under a different CBA. I'll be delighted if the Spurs get more than this, but since it is bad practice to propose trades that assume a stupid counterpart, I'm trying to draw the line on what is the minimum package I'd be satisfied with in a Vassell trade that is realistic, which makes them invariably underwhelming. But I hope I'll be surprised for the better.
 
Spurs need to dump Vassell to some stupid team, Indiana isn't going to take him but Sacramento might.
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I know some are vehemently against trading for DDR, but he's essentially an expiring with only 10 million guaranteed next year. Add 2nd rounders as needed. Come the fuck on Brian, start dialing.
your trade proposals just get worse every week
 
i dont like the idea of trading for an additional center at this point. if wemby is healthy, the 3rd center doesnt really matter. and if wemby isnt healthy, we're already fucked. not worth committing real assets to that problem right now. kornet should be playing all competitive non-wemby minutes in addition to the occassional french vanilla.

if biyombo was playing at the level he was at last year, i wouldnt say its a need at all. as it is... its not really a huge need. and i'd second waiving bismack and just signing bassey
 
and if wemby isnt healthy, we're already fucked.
That has changed over the past year.

If we want other young guys to develop at optimal trajectory, we need the team to be functional.
It's actually annoying that we haven't drafted a big with our SRP over the past few years. They'd probably be a negative out there, but would at least display some energy, unlike Biyombo.
 
also, absolutely no to DeRozan. i like him and appreciate the work he put in for us. took his game to another level as a playmaker and was a good guy. but we're done with that. if he was to be re-routed to a third team and the pieces change, yeah i think landing Ellis and moving off the Vassell money would be a win in my books
 
your trade proposals just get worse every week
Damn, another fake trade proposal that doesn't make RC_Drunkford happy. I guess it's bed early and no dinner tonight. :st-depressed:

PS: no explanation of how Vassell's declining salary makes it a good contract today?
 
also, absolutely no to DeRozan. i like him and appreciate the work he put in for us. took his game to another level as a playmaker and was a good guy. but we're done with that. if he was to be re-routed to a third team and the pieces change, yeah i think landing Ellis and moving off the Vassell money would be a win in my books
Again, it's not about getting DeRozan, it's about moving off of Vassell at a realistic value (minimally positive / neutral, at best). Say this is a slight variation with the same premise, with the possibility of a minor adjustment here or there:
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I don't think most around the league see Devin's contract as a huge negative. Luke most, I don't like bringing in DDR simply because our backcourt rotation of Fox, Castle, and Harper are suboptimal from 3 (although I think Harper will get there). We need wings who can nail the deep ball. Ellis fit that even though he's small to be considered a wing. If we were engaging in a trade like this DDR really needs to be re-routed to another team.
 
Hard no to anything involving to DeRozan.

Ellis would be an ideal complement to Castle and Harper, but unless they trade Fox this off season, a team that needs to get bigger on the wing would be getting smaller.

I don't see Vassell as having positive value, but I think it's neutral enough to where it won't be an issue if and when they choose to move it.
 
Does anyone know how Miami views Wiggins? Is he somebody they want to move for a younger player?
 
If I'm moving Devin before the deadline, this is a list of players I'd discuss with other GM's as I guage how much the value Devin. Phoenix- some combination of Grayson and O'Neale, or Brooks. Nets- MPJ realizing it's a rental. Miami- Wiggins, or some combination of Kasparas or Pelle, and Rozier. Pelicans- TM3

Realistically though, I don't really think there's a suitable trade that'll be on the table. Of those I listed the only ones that really excite me are Phoenix, Miami (Wiggins), and of course Pelicans with capital going out and I don't think any of those would happen.
 
If I'm moving Devin before the deadline, this is a list of players I'd discuss with other GM's as I guage how much the value Devin. Phoenix- some combination of Grayson and O'Neale, or Brooks. Nets- MPJ realizing it's a rental. Miami- Wiggins, or some combination of Kasparas or Pelle, and Rozier. Pelicans- TM3
I think there's a pretty significant trade value gap between Trey Murphy and Vassell.
As for Phoenix, I don't see how they trade 3&D players for another SG, that's the last thing they need.
I don't see Miami as a Vassell destination, they're a cap conscious team that tries to make room for signing stars, and Wiggins is playing well enough for them that I don't think they'd take the extra years.
MPJ would be a possibility and for sure he's a much better short term fit than DDR or whatever expiring you may otherwise get, but he's got 2 years left at 40M+ and I'd rather bet on an expiring and some young player. With that said, I'd still do that if that other possibility I mentioned isn't available.

All in all, I see broadly 3 camps when it comes to Vassell:
1) People who still believe in Vassell and don't think his contract is a problem
2) People who want to move him but at a crazy high ask and are comfortable waiting.
3) People who want to move him and would rather take an underwhelming package now than risking his value tanking further.

I think most people are in camp 2, I've been in camp 3 for a while now.
 
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