Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[TBdog]

It won't happen mid-season, but Spurs need to rip the bandaid off and get rid of the friendship crew.
They'll always be the same negative IQ players.
The issue is that I'm not sure who can we scam into taking them.
Kings changed their GM, that door is closed.

Meanwhile, Markkanen is averaging 29 on 49/39/88 and some people thought offering friendship crew and Hawks picks that will be late lottery was too much.

Lauri cost so much. He looked bad last year too. It would have been a significant risk to go with three max contract moving forward, and still need to agree to a Castle extension a season later.

 

[LeBowen]

Lauri cost so much. He looked bad last year too. It would have been a significant risk to go with three max contract moving forward, and still need to agree to a Castle extension a season later.

He didn't look bad, they were just blatantly tanking and sitting him.
If we got him, we wouldn't have gone for Fox and Lauri is making less.

 

[spursistan]

He didn't look bad, they were just blatantly tanking and sitting him.
If we got him, we wouldn't have gone for Fox and Lauri is making less.

Given truth serum, and a mulligan, I don't think PATFO do that Fox trade now even without knowing that they are landing the second pick in the draft with Harper being the prize. What happened was (a) they probably underestimated Castle growth curve (we all did) and (b) Klutch made a directed power move that came with a reasonable cost which made it stupid to decline their offer at that time.. Now that it happened, they have to pivot and balance the roster by addressing the wing hole.. And i don't see any other way of doing that without throwing what remains of our FRPs from other teams to jettison or upgrade Vassell (keep the Kings swap and move fast on Hawks', Mavs, and Celts') . Sochan will be a throw-in at the deadline or let walk in the summer)..

 

[Shmurs]

Devin’s become a guy you can just throw into a trade and not worry about getting value back. Not saying we trade him or dump him right now but whenever that time comes, he’s not someone you second guess yourself on anymore. He’s just a guy.

 

[LeBowen]

Weekend challenge, find a reasonable trade for a combination of Vassell/Olynyk/Jeremy.

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I don't see any.
At this point I'd trade Vassell/Olynyk/Sochan for Lavine just to get rid of those extra years Devin has.

 

[Exstatic]

Given truth serum, and a mulligan, I don't think PATFO do that Fox trade now even without knowing that they are landing the second pick in the draft with Harper being the prize. What happened was (a) they probably underestimated Castle growth curve (we all did) and (b) Klutch made a directed power move that came with a reasonable cost which made it stupid to decline their offer at that time.. Now that it happened, they have to pivot and balance the roster by addressing the wing hole.. And i don't see any other way of doing that without throwing what remains of our FRPs from other teams to jettison or upgrade Vassell (keep the Kings swap and move fast on Hawks', Mavs, and Celts') . Sochan will be a throw-in at the deadline or let walk in the summer)..

Wemby said he wanted help (that’s something you address ASAP), and Klutch has wanted to put one of their top guards here with him since the 2023 draft. No need to overcomplicate things.

You also can’t re-trade swaps to a 3rd team.

I think going forward, the next group to feel the apron crunch will be the MPJs, the Lauri’s, the Cam Johnson’s. Now that the default max second contact has gone the way of the dodo bird, franchise money for non franchise players is next.

 

[CGD]

Wemby said he wanted help (that’s something you address ASAP), and Klutch has wanted to put one of their top guards here with him since the 2023 draft. No need to overcomplicate things.

You also can’t re-trade swaps to a 3rd team.

I think going forward, the next group to feel the apron crunch will be the MPJs, the Lauri’s, the Cam Johnson’s. Now that the default max second contact has gone the way of the dodo bird, franchise money for non franchise players is next.

I thought they could repackage swaps? For example, I see that if our pick will go to Cleveland (not Atlanta) if we end up taking Atlanta’s natural pick.

 

[Exstatic]

It’s an extension, another team added to the swap AFTER we swap, or don’t. Cleveland and Utah already had a swap for 26. If Cleveland swaps an Utah pick that is better than the pick Atlanta holds or that we swap them, ATL can swap with Cleveland. They didn’t trade the swap with us, nor could they. Our swap is locked in. We either swap, or don’t, THEN Atlanta has the option to swap with an Utah. They essentially linked two existing swaps, CLE/UTA and SA/ATL. Those swaps will happen,mor not, then ATL gets the option of swapping with Cleveland, after the dust settles from the two pre-existing swaps.


Cleveland essentially becomes third banana in the swap, something that is less valuable than a swap, which is about equal, on average, to a second round pick.

No swaps were harmed in the crafting of this post.

 

[Bruno]

Right now, I see three possible trades scenarios for Spurs this season:

- A trade involving Sochan/Barnes/Olynyk/Keldon for a low usage player: If Spurs keep Wemby, Fox, Castle, Harper and Vassell, they won't have a lot of future money and offensive touches available for another high usage/salary player. I don't see them going after a player projected to be more than a role player with a future salary over $20M per year.

- A trade involving Vassell: If Vassell is traded, Spurs will have more money and offensive space to go after a more ambitious player. The main question is what is Vassell trade value given his contract: positive, negative or neutral? Will Spurs have to give up assets, likely picks, to get rid of his contract?

- Fox being traded at the deadline: Right now, Spurs main priority it to have Fox, Castle and Harper work together. Their fit isn't automatic and it might failled. It's not a coincidence that Fox signed his extension on August 4th to be trade elligible at the February dealine. At the deadline, it might be obvious for everyone that parting ways is the best move for both parties. Spurs will then try to find a good place for him and try to recoup about what they spend to get him for Kings (which wasn't a lot).

 

[mo7888]

Right now, I see three possible trades scenarios for Spurs this season:

- A trade involving Sochan/Barnes/Olynyk/Keldon for a low usage player: If Spurs keep Wemby, Fox, Castle, Harper and Vassell, they won't have a lot of future money and offensive touches available for another high usage/salary player. I don't see them going after a player projected to be more than a role player with a future salary over $20M per year.

- A trade involving Vassell: If Vassell is traded, Spurs will have more money and offensive space to go after a more ambitious player. The main question is what is Vassell trade value given his contract: positive, negative or neutral? Will Spurs have to give up assets, likely picks, to get rid of his contract?

- Fox being traded at the deadline: Right now, Spurs main priority it to have Fox, Castle and Harper work together. Their fit isn't automatic and it might failled. It's not a coincidence that Fox signed his extension on August 4th to be trade elligible at the February dealine. At the deadline, it might be obvious for everyone that parting ways is the best move for both parties. Spurs will then try to find a good place for him and try to recoup about what they spend to get him for Kings (which wasn't a lot).

I'd be surprised if they moved Fox (scenario one seems the most plausible), but for the sake of discussion what type of deal do you think they would target with Fox? A singular player Ala Lauri or a package of role players and picks?

 

[LeBowen]

A trade involving Vassell: If Vassell is traded, Spurs will have more money and offensive space to go after a more ambitious player. The main question is what is Vassell trade value given his contract: positive, negative or neutral? Will Spurs have to give up assets, likely picks, to get rid of his contract?

I don't think we necessarily need a more ambitious player.
Vassell's issue is that he can't be a 3-D guy we need, he'll always be a scorer that needs the ball and he's not good enough at it.

Fox, Castle, Harper and Wemby should all be able to drop 25 on any given night if the spacing around them is good enough.
Getting a Markkanen or a Murphy would be great, but it's not a necessity.
We need to find role players similar to what OKC has.
Joe, Wiggins, Wallace, Dort, Caruso, you get the point.

 

[jeebus]

Spurs need to find those vets that can still shoot lights out, keep them a couple years, then find more. It worked for 15 years with the big 3; never understood MATFO's obsession with finding non shooters and acting like a dumb white girl saying "I can fix him!" Fuck that. Shop around and get some that don't need fixing. You already know the formula, don't gotta mess around with it.

Fuck OKC.

 

[Bruno]

I'd be surprised if they moved Fox (scenario one seems the most plausible), but for the sake of discussion what type of deal do you think they would target with Fox? A singular player Ala Lauri or a package of role players and picks?

I don't think Spurs will be looking to take a step back by trading Fox mainly for picks. If they get picks, I would expect them to flip them for a player in another trade.

 

[BacktoBasics]

We are still in the find out phase of whether or not Harper is injury prone. Moving Fox seems like a bad idea.

Not only that but the whole process involved with bringing him here would be a bad look to immediately move him.

 

[Bruno]

I don't think we necessarily need a more ambitious player.
Vassell's issue is that he can't be a 3-D guy we need, he'll always be a scorer that needs the ball and he's not good enough at it.

Fox, Castle, Harper and Wemby should all be able to drop 25 on any given night if the spacing around them is good enough.
Getting a Markkanen or a Murphy would be great, but it's not a necessity.
We need to find role players similar to what OKC has.
Joe, Wiggins, Wallace, Dort, Caruso, you get the point.

I didn't mean more ambitious than Vassell but more ambitious than who they can target with a Sochan/Barnes/Olynyk/Keldon package. For example, going after a player like Keegan Murray seems only possible if you trade Vassell.

I agree with you: Spurs have their Batman and their Robins but they need Alfreds.

 

[DTW]

I don't think Spurs will be looking to take a step back by trading Fox mainly for picks. If they get picks, I would expect them to flip them for a player in another trade.

I've been saying, I do expect a Fox trade to be in play as soon as this off season, but whenever it is, it's logical to expect them to prioritize a young, veteran PF as the main component.

The problem is, I don't see a robust market. The Heat, Bucks and Timberwolves are the most logical destinations, but only the Heat have a clear path to making it work financially.

 

[OK Computer]

Harper
Castle
Champ
Bam Adebayo
Wemby

Is pretty damn appealing to me

 

[STAT88]

If Harper comes back from injury and has a strong season and shows he’s going to live up to the potential then I could see a Fox trade this off season. I’d find it hard to imagine the Spurs doing an in season deal unless Fox really struggles to integrate himself with a reduced usage and asks out.

Minnesota seems the most logical as they are in win now mode. I wonder if they fail in the first or second round of the playoffs again do they do a Fox for Randle + McDaniels deal in the offseason with Randle going to a third team and assets going to the Spurs. Salaries would match in the offseason once Fox extension kicks in. Minny could move Reid into the SL for Randle and Clark into the starting 3 role or get a wing from the third team that Randle goes to.

Miami.. I can kind of see them being interested in Fox if they have soured on Bam I could see a straight swap. Feels like Miami has almost all of their contracts except Bam coming off the books at the end of this season and next so they’re going to have a massive amount of cap space. Fox has an extra year at $60M vs Bam. I kind of feel like Riley is aiming for bigger than Fox but if he can sign a big fish in FA he might want to get Fox as the second star.

Rockets need a PG but I don’t think they will disrupt what they have going for a on ball high usage PG like Fox.

The Clippers are desperate but it would have to be for Kawhi bring him home tbh. The meltdown here would be epic. This one is a joke.

Can’t see anyone outside of Minny and Miami right now.

 

[mo7888]

If Harper comes back from injury and has a strong season and shows he’s going to live up to the potential then I could see a Fox trade this off season. I’d find it hard to imagine the Spurs doing an in season deal unless Fox really struggles to integrate himself with a reduced usage and asks out.

Minnesota seems the most logical as they are in win now mode. I wonder if they fail in the first or second round of the playoffs again do they do a Fox for Randle + McDaniels deal in the offseason with Randle going to a third team and assets going to the Spurs. Salaries would match in the offseason once Fox extension kicks in. Minny could move Reid into the SL for Randle and Clark into the starting 3 role or get a wing from the third team that Randle goes to.

Miami.. I can kind of see them being interested in Fox if they have soured on Bam I could see a straight swap. Feels like Miami has almost all of their contracts except Bam coming off the books at the end of this season and next so they’re going to have a massive amount of cap space. Fox has an extra year at $60M vs Bam. I kind of feel like Riley is aiming for bigger than Fox but if he can sign a big fish in FA he might want to get Fox as the second star.

Rockets need a PG but I don’t think they will disrupt what they have going for a on ball high usage PG like Fox.

The Clippers are desperate but it would have to be for Kawhi bring him home tbh. The meltdown here would be epic. This one is a joke.

Can’t see anyone outside of Minny and Miami right now.

I'm not saying this is likely, but if we're talking about moving him this summer there's a good chance there is a Giannis thread here of epic proportions..

 

[Valparaiso]

I've been saying, I do expect a Fox trade to be in play as soon as this off season, but whenever it is, it's logical to expect them to prioritize a young, veteran PF as the main component.

The problem is, I don't see a robust market. The Heat, Bucks and Timberwolves are the most logical destinations, but only the Heat have a clear path to making it work financially.

The Bucks already made that mistake with Lillard, who at least in theory was supposed to be more impactful than Fox. I can't see them doing that again, especially with Ryan Rollins playing so well and having a contract that pays him $4mil/year through 2028.

 

[mo7888]

The Bucks already made that mistake with Lillard, who at least in theory was supposed to be more impactful than Fox. I can't see them doing that again, especially with Ryan Rollins playing so well and having a contract that pays him $4mil/year through 2028.

That was a mistake trying to overpay for a guy to put beside Giannis. This is a play to salvage as much on-court talent from moving Giannis because they don't want to bottom out without owing their own picks.

 

[scott]

It won't happen mid-season, but Spurs need to rip the bandaid off and get rid of the friendship crew.
They'll always be the same negative IQ players.
The issue is that I'm not sure who can we scam into taking them.
Kings changed their GM, that door is closed.

Meanwhile, Markkanen is averaging 29 on 49/39/88 and some people thought offering friendship crew and Hawks picks that will be late lottery was too much.

YouTuber Clan the Spurs fan said including Sochan was the absolute deal breaker in any Lauri deal... and that's when I stopped watching that channel.

 

[scott]

Weekend challenge, find a reasonable trade for a combination of Vassell/Olynyk/Jeremy.

2025-26 NBA Player Contracts | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary of current NBA player contracts

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I don't see any.
At this point I'd trade Vassell/Olynyk/Sochan for Lavine just to get rid of those extra years Devin has.

Don't threaten me with a good time...

I didn't work on all the picks required to grease the wheels... I assume an ATL pick or swap going back to them would be in there somewhere.

Why do the teams do this?

ATL and MEM give these "stars" the fresh start they both need.

BKN is just here to collect picks.

But in reality... there is no reason for MEM to include Santi in this deal other than to satisfy some random Spurs fan in Hawaii. In other words, not gonna happen.

 

[scott]

Wemby said he wanted help (that’s something you address ASAP), and Klutch has wanted to put one of their top guards here with him since the 2023 draft. No need to overcomplicate things.

You also can’t re-trade swaps to a 3rd team.

I think going forward, the next group to feel the apron crunch will be the MPJs, the Lauri’s, the Cam Johnson’s. Now that the default max second contact has gone the way of the dodo bird, franchise money for non franchise players is next.

I thought they could repackage swaps? For example, I see that if our pick will go to Cleveland (not Atlanta) if we end up taking Atlanta’s natural pick.

It’s an extension, another team added to the swap AFTER we swap, or don’t. Cleveland and Utah already had a swap for 26. If Cleveland swaps an Utah pick that is better than the pick Atlanta holds or that we swap them, ATL can swap with Cleveland. They didn’t trade the swap with us, nor could they. Our swap is locked in. We either swap, or don’t, THEN Atlanta has the option to swap with an Utah. They essentially linked two existing swaps, CLE/UTA and SA/ATL. Those swaps will happen,mor not, then ATL gets the option of swapping with Cleveland, after the dust settles from the two pre-existing swaps.


Cleveland essentially becomes third banana in the swap, something that is less valuable than a swap, which is about equal, on average, to a second round pick.

No swaps were harmed in the crafting of this post.

Just to clarify... Ex is correct that the Spurs can't just send the right to swap with ATL's pick to someone else (let's randomly pick SAC, for example).

However, what we would be allowed to do is to send a swap to SAC whereby in the end, SAC would get the best of SAC/ATL/SAS. This is by virtue of San Antonio owning the best of ATL/SAS. So the Spurs have the right to offer to swap that pick with another team. ATL still ends up with the same pick it would have before (the worse of ATL/SAS), SAC gets the best of the three, and the Spurs get the one in the middle that's left. This is the example Ex used, just put in Spurs terms.

 

[scott]

Here's another one in Scott's Fantasy World of Trading for the Guys He Likes (Jay Huff isn't my guy... but he'd be a nice 3rd C!) Picks would have to be going IND's way of course.

Why do the teams do this? IND probably doesn't do this, since they aren't in a true rebuild, they're just in the "Spurs get Duncan" type rebuild where they're going to end up with Peterson to line up next to Hali, god damnit.

MIL does this because Kuzma is terrible and MIL is actually the one team that I think Vassell would actually fit quite nicely.