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[Ariel]

It actually turned into Minny’s 2031 unprotected FRP, which was the key piece in the Fox trade, so unless Buzelis turns out to be better than Fox, I don’t care.

We also still hold the Minny swap.

Spurs could have used another pick in its place. In hindsight, yes, we should have drafted Buzelis. There's no guarantee he'd have been the Spurs pick though.

 

[Exstatic]

Spurs could have used another pick in its place. In hindsight, yes, we should have drafted Buzelis. There's no guarantee he'd have been the Spurs pick though.

Too many high picks in too short of a time. In 3 drafts, you would have Wemby,Castle,Buz,Harper, and Bryant. That’s a lot of extensions and contracts that come up in a short time frame.

 

[scott]

It actually turned into Minny’s 2031 unprotected FRP, which was the key piece in the Fox trade, so unless Buzelis turns out to be better than Fox, I don’t care.

We also still hold the Minny swap.

You can say this all you want, but MIN31 was not the "key piece of the Fox trade". Had we not had MIN31, we would have just included some other pick.

 

[scott]

Too many high picks in too short of a time. In 3 drafts, you would have Wemby,Castle,Buz,Harper, and Bryant. That’s a lot of extensions and contracts that come up in a short time frame.

You can make an argument it would have had to been a choice between Buzelis and Bryant. We'll see who turns out better.

 

[Exstatic]

You can say this all you want, but MIN31 was not the "key piece of the Fox trade". Had we not had MIN31, we would have just included some other pick.

And we would have one less unprotected FRP from a trad terrible team then we have no, meaning zero.

I never trust GLI players, and this is no exception.

 

[scott]

And we would have one less unprotected FRP from a trad terrible team then we have no, meaning zero.

I never trust GLI players, and this is no exception.

I mean, that's a perfectly fine position to take... but it's a different position than "then we wouldn't have Fox"

In the end, it will all be okay, but those of us who were in the Buzz Brigade look like we had a good read on this kid.

 

[spurraider21]

realistically if the spurs knew they were landing Harper, they would not have traded for Fox. but there was only a 6.3% chance of that happening. if the spurs had literally any other lottery outcome, they would not have been in a position to take a point guard (i doubt they'd have taken Fears anywhere, for instance).

the wolves 31 is the only high value pick we moved. spurs 27 projects to be a weak one. bulls pick was protected and wouldnt have conveyed this year, and i dont think essengue is moving the needle, so who knows when it would have conveyed. we also unloaded Zach Collins in the deal, which for us was definitely a negative asset.

and barring catastrophic injury to Fox, if he were to be re-routed in a year or two, we'd be able to recoup the most of not all of the value we gave up for Fox, given that he'd still be in his prime years and under more contractual control than he was at the time we acquired him.

 

[Exstatic]

You can make an argument it would have had to been a choice between Buzelis and Bryant. We'll see who turns out better.

Bryant got a shout out from Simmons during their Spurs breakdown. They were amazed that his whole hand was above the backboard square on that block attempt.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

Bryant got a shout out from Simmons during their Spurs breakdown. They were amazed that his whole hand was above the backboard square on that block attempt.

Rascal must think he‘s the new LeBron then

 

[Shmurs]

Watching the rockets last night…I don’t want any part of Eason. And while he’s better and a better fit than Sochan, he’s gonna flame out or just settle into 11th Guy territory on some other team. He carries himself like his body is a wreck and his body language is rough. Looks miserable.

I’ve seen a little bit of this with him last year. I just don’t like it. No extension yet right?

 

[scott]

Bryant got a shout out from Simmons during their Spurs breakdown. They were amazed that his whole hand was above the backboard square on that block attempt.

Did you see during the IND game (Spurs broadcast feed) they showed an interview asking him about it? He thinks he can get a little bit higher.

 

[scott]

Watching the rockets last night…I don’t want any part of Eason. And while he’s better and a better fit than Sochan, he’s gonna flame out or just settle into 11th Guy territory on some other team. He carries himself like his body is a wreck and his body language is rough. Looks miserable.

I’ve seen a little bit of this with him last year. I just don’t like it. No extension yet right?

I think the extension deadline is 10/20... will be an interesting next couple of days.

 

[Kick-Stand]

You can say this all you want, but MIN31 was not the "key piece of the Fox trade". Had we not had MIN31, we would have just included some other pick.

IDK there was a lot of hype about Minnesota being a possible future trainwreck with their ownership situation which would make that pick golden if it forced Ant out. I think it was far and away the best trade asset the Spurs gave up to get Fox.

 

[scott]

IDK there was a lot of hype about Minnesota being a possible future trainwreck with their ownership situation which would make that pick golden if it forced Ant out. I think it was far and away the best trade asset the Spurs gave up to get Fox.

It may be the best asset... that doesn't mean it was the key (as in, the only reason SAC did it is because they wanted that pick specifically). The key to that deal was Fox wanting out, specifically to SA. It was just up to SAC to get the best return they could, which included the MIN31 pick. If we didn't have that pick, they'd have just gotten some other pick.

 

[Kick-Stand]

It may be the best asset... that doesn't mean it was the key (as in, the only reason SAC did it is because they wanted that pick specifically). The key to that deal was Fox wanting out, specifically to SA. It was just up to SAC to get the best return they could, which included the MIN31 pick. If we didn't have that pick, they'd have just gotten some other pick.

They would have probably required the 2030 with the unprotected Dallas swap then. Though maybe in an alternate timeline they ask for Sochan instead and we're one strike closer to breaking the rock of the friendship crew.

 

[scott]

They would have probably required the 2030 with the unprotected Dallas swap then. Though maybe in an alternate timeline they ask for Sochan instead and we're one strike closer to breaking the rock of the friendship crew.

tbh, we'll never know and it's not really worth worrying about... but...

You can make an argument in whatever asset we had to give up to get Fox we could have recouped by trading the #14 pick this year (a supposed "better" draft... and with teams making crazy deals to do things like they did... there might be a good argument for that)... so I think the Buzelis v Bryant development might be one to watch... but whatever happens, it's all good. We got Steph, Fox, Harper and Bryant. No need to what-if... but some of us were right about Buzz (I thought you were on the Buzz Brigade with me?)

 

[Thoodee]

Also, as someone who actually wanted buzelis at the time, I think it likely spurs might not have landed the 2 spot in the draft after having a full year with buzelis. It's possible we could be looking at a team w new acquisitions similar to Fox, buzelis, and (2 of possibly) Jakacionas/knueppel/essengue/thomas sorber, as opposed to fox, harper, and bryant(and stronger lottery picks). Think I like the later a bit more, but man its close. Guess the future will tell.

 

[Shmurs]

Imo we ditched the 8th pick because this FO wasn’t ready to consolidate and ship out players and it would also overload their player development focus.

It made no sense at the time that people were celebrating it. The Dillingham thing broke people’s brains who didn’t realize that wasn’t our actual pick.

At minimum I think getting Edey would have been a much smarter move. But then Wemby’s injury ruined the season so it didn’t matter that we spent a year with a joke of a front court rotation.

Fox could have been had 50 other ways. I would have rather had them not get cute with a lottery pick like that. “We’re all full here” isn’t a good reason.

 

[Guru of Nothing]

Did you see during the IND game (Spurs broadcast feed) they showed an interview asking him about it? He thinks he can get a little bit higher.

Carter Bryant discussion triggered a realization that we don't have a Carter Bryant thread ...right? I'm workshopping Flubber Baby Buggy Bumpers and can't mold it into a finished product that I like. Should probably let this one go gentle into the good night.

 

[O_V]

Imo we ditched the 8th pick because this FO wasn’t ready to consolidate and ship out players and it would also overload their player development focus.

It made no sense at the time that people were celebrating it. The Dillingham thing broke people’s brains who didn’t realize that wasn’t our actual pick.

At minimum I think getting Edey would have been a much smarter move. But then Wemby’s injury ruined the season so it didn’t matter that we spent a year with a joke of a front court rotation.

Fox could have been had 50 other ways. I would have rather had them not get cute with a lottery pick like that. “We’re all full here” isn’t a good reason.

I'm super happy with Fox. If the Spurs were going to pass on Jared McCain, who I wanted, it's great that they were willing to go get Fox. Getting what looks like a really solid player in Harper is such a great problem to have.

I simply cannot wait until all these guys are healthy. A Harper Fox Castle French Vanilla lineup is gonna be a blast.

 

[DTW]

Why would they want Fox? Say the deal I proposed takes place at the deadline this season. That would only mean half a year of Barnes salary and three years of Vassell. Even if they couldn't reroute him, which I doubt, that would be 20M less per year than what they're paying Lauri. Also they could tank properly and hope for a better outcome in next years draft.

I said Fox to a third team (Heat?) and that team sending a picks, prospects, flexibility package to the Jazz.

The deal you proposed is not enough value for Markkanen. Keep in mind, they have no urgency to trade him. He's beginning a 4 year extension, doesn't want out and isn't good enough to hurt their lottery odds.

 

[Shmurs]

The thing with markkanen is that he will always be tradable. Always. Without riders. Without conditions. A Chicago or Sacramento will always answer the phone on a guy like this.

Fox, however, can only be traded to teams who are looking for a max point guard to transform their offense. It doesn’t mean nobody wants him but it means that most teams in the league don’t answer the phone because they already have their guy in that spot and their offense they’re comfortable with.

 

[RC_Drunkford]

If Harper starts strong and Castle's shows no improvement, it may not be a bad time to consider what Spurs could get for him as his value is very high coming off a ROY campaign. I'm sure there would be better ideas but, fully aware I might catch some flak for this, some that popped off my head are:

1. To Charlotte for Brandon Miller: His value is probably a bit lower now that he's coming off an injury and he carries some stigma from his former legal issues, but he's a big wing with plenty of talent and shooting, who would fit in perfectly in this roster. If not for this, I'd argue he should be more valuable than Castle, but Charlotte has been aiming for character (Knueppel over Bailey, last year Salaun, etc) and have been linked to Castle in the past, perhaps this could be an opportunity to adjust the roster while acquiring youth and talent in return.
2. To Indiana for Jarace Walker + Aaron Nesmith. Jarace Walker is the kind of all around talent that would be out of reach if he puts it all together, this is his third season and he's been buried a bit in Indiana's depth (Siakam, Nesmith, etc). I have been saying for a while I would not be surprised if he takes a big leap, similar to what Jalen Johnson did. He's big and strong, he's got shooting and playmaking skills, I think he'd complement Wemby very well. Aaron Nesmith is the kind of complementary young vet that the Spurs need at the wing, this would give the Spurs a talented and young duo that fits better the current roster. Another variation of this scenario would include Sochan going to Indiana and a pick going back to the Spurs.

I know we're all attached to Castle, but if the Spurs can improve the fit while not losing on talent, they should consider it. Probably some might have an issue with the targets, but then again people at ST were also coming at me a couple of years ago when I was proposing to move for Deni Avdija, and a year ago when I was proposing to go after Trey Murphy when he was just coming back from injury. And I think both Brandon Miller and Jarace Walker could really pop this year.

 

[John B]

Watching Castle last night was unbelievable, outshined only by Wemby. The way Castle keeps attacking the rim absorbing contacts and going to the line. He is a bully and exactly who the Spurs need next to Wemby. Anybody to even suggest trading him in the future is nuts.

 

[John B]

Castle reminds me of MVP Derrick Rose, when he was undeterred abusing the rim every chance he got. At first I thought Cooper would outmuscle him, but our boy is strong as an ox. I even suspect Castle has grown taller. Cooper doesn’t seem to be much bigger than him