Trade Spurs Trade Ideas

[Rafa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019140178192003134

I wonder what the price is here…. It’s a huge need and Sochan is dead weight

 

[100%Duncan]

Does MPJ make us title contenders? I think he fits this team way better than TM3

 

[Exstatic]

Then the Spurs need to attach some other value with him to move him.

Or, just buy him out, and save the asset.

 

[Exstatic]

Didn’t Sacramento want Sochan, and if so, what other asset could we have kept out of the Fox trade?

 

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019140178192003134

"Not willing to attach draft capital to move him"

why on Earth would the Spurs attach draft capital to move a contract that amounts to 4.6% of the cap, a few months before it expires? Did the Spurs become a 2nd apron team in desperate search for Giannis without me knowing?

"Could also be a buyout candidate"

Why would the Spurs buy Sochan out? Is he disruptive in the locker room? Detrimental to team chemistry? Otherwise I can't see why you'd let go of a 22 year old who, though he has well documented flaws, can also be useful in certain matchups in the playoffs, serve as injury insurance, etc.

Honestly, that tweet is baffling to me.

 

[scott]

why on Earth would the Spurs attach draft capital to move a contract that amounts to 4.6% of the cap, a few months before it expires? Did the Spurs become a 2nd apron team in desperate search for Giannis without me knowing?

Why would the Spurs buy Sochan out? Is he disruptive in the locker room? Detrimental to team chemistry? Otherwise I can't see why you'd let go of a 22 year old who, though he has well documented flaws, can also be useful in certain matchups in the playoffs, serve as injury insurance, etc.

Honestly, that tweet is baffling to me.

At least from my POV there are only three possible reasons you'd want to buy someone out under these circumstances

1. They are a locker room disruption (no indication of this)
2. You need the roster spot (Spurs have plenty of ways of achieving this)
3. You want to do the player a solid (most likely, and the Spurs have a history of doing)

I also think "buyout" is likely the wrong terminology here. The Spurs would just waive him, there is nothing of significant to buy out here.

 

[Ariel]

 

[100%Duncan]

Bwrong really doing nothing?

 

[Ariel]

At least from my POV there are only three possible reasons you'd want to buy someone out under these circumstances

1. They are a locker room disruption (no indication of this)
2. You need the roster spot (Spurs have plenty of ways of achieving this)
3. You want to do the player a solid (most likely, and the Spurs have a history of doing)

I also think "buyout" is likely the wrong terminology here. The Spurs would just waive him, there is nothing of significant to buy out here.

If the Spurs wanted to create a roster spot, they could have just waived Biyombo before his guarantee kicked in, even now eating his salary (half that of Sochan), same with McLaughlin. I can't see this being an issue.

As for doing the player a solid, I am in favor or maintaining a good relationship with your players whenever possible, but you can still do him a solid in RFA by sending him to his prefer destination, or even by taking back your qualifying offer like the Spurs did with Lonnie. No reason to do this now... unless there's something much more serious going on behind the scenes, not necessarily his own fault, but maybe a serious depressive state or something.

In any case, I still can't see why the Spurs would consider him a negative under any circumstance, I can see no team willing to give up value for him, but I don't see why they couldn't find some team to give up at least a matching expiring to take a flyer on the young guy over a vet they can't use (Washington, Brooklyn, whomever).

 

[Quentin_Compson]

Not looking good for Sochan's trade value, I take it.

 

[Rafa]

It’s actually pretty surprising we can’t find a good move with 3 expiring contracts and a descent stash of late FR/SR picks to use. We must not feel like we need to be aggressive

 

[PocketMonger]

This team is a year away from contending if we're being honest so they could do nothing. The offense, lack of playoff experience, coaching and poor roster construction will get exposed in the playoffs.

 

[Rafa]

This team is a year away from contending if we're being honest so they could do nothing. The offense, lack of playoff experience, coaching and poor roster construction will get exposed in the playoffs.

I don’t disagree in general, but it’s not like the expiring contracts are gonna be there again next year, and I really doubt we’ll look to bring back Sochan or Olynyk… Barnes at this point will prob have to come back as a necessity but he cannot be our starter next year.

I was pretty confident we’d make a move this year, but I guess it’s time to start reviewing the free agency candidates soon lol

 

[mo7888]

I don’t disagree in general, but it’s not like the expiring contracts are gonna be there again next year, and I really doubt we’ll look to bring back Sochan or Olynyk… Barnes at this point will prob have to come back as a necessity but he cannot be our starter next year.

I was pretty confident we’d make a move this year, but I guess it’s time to start reviewing the free agency candidates soon lol

Give it about 20 hours before we pivot to fa...

 

[scott]

If the Spurs wanted to create a roster spot, they could have just waived Biyombo before his guarantee kicked in, even now eating his salary (half that of Sochan), same with McLaughlin. I can't see this being an issue.

As for doing the player a solid, I am in favor or maintaining a good relationship with your players whenever possible, but you can still do him a solid in RFA by sending him to his prefer destination, or even by taking back your qualifying offer like the Spurs did with Lonnie. No reason to do this now... unless there's something much more serious going on behind the scenes, not necessarily his own fault, but maybe a serious depressive state or something.

In any case, I still can't see why the Spurs would consider him a negative under any circumstance, I can see no team willing to give up value for him, but I don't see why they couldn't find some team to give up at least a matching expiring to take a flyer on the young guy over a vet they can't use (Washington, Brooklyn, whomever).

Agreed on creating a roster spot, which is why I said the Spurs have plenty of ways of doing this. They don't *need* to release Sochan to create a roster spot unless they view him as the least valuable person current taking a roster spot but I have a hard time believing his is slotted below Biyombo.

As for doing him a solid... waiting in RFA doesn't help him now. He might want to go to a situation where he can get playing time and show something before he hits free agency. Rotting on the end of the bench before he becomes a free agent is doing nothing but hurting him. If he can go somewhere else at least there is a chance he can earn some more money. I think it's really that simple.

 

[spursistan]

From "we should lock him up for 4/100" to "can't even move him as an expiring" is quite the roller coaster

Even as skeptic, i didn't think he would fall down this hard. His very status as NBA player is now in question. Can't even get a free run as tank commander for some team post-deadline? Such a rude awakening.

 

[scott]

Even as skeptic, i didn't think he would fall down this hard. His very status as NBA player is now in question. Can't even get a free run as tank commander for some team post-deadline? Such a rude awakening.

Maybe we should have seen this coming.

Ben Simmons had injuries on top of this, but there is an example of a "defensive specialist" who became completely unplayable on offense and is now out of the league. At least Simmons was a ROTY, multiple time all star, All D 1st teamer, All NBA guy... Sochan doesn't even have that pedigree working for him.

 

[Ariel]

Options from teams rumored to be interested in him:
Bulls: Jalen Smith or Okoro?
Suns: Nick Richards or Rasheer Fleming?
Charlotte: Pat Connaughton?
Lakers: LaRavia?
NY: Hukporti and Dadiet?

Those are far from ideal, but maybe... Or put together some salary with some picks and get a shooter, a big body who can rebound and give you some minutes to keep Wemby safe or playing alongside him... just something for God sakes.

 

[Ariel]

As for doing him a solid... waiting in RFA doesn't help him now. He might want to go to a situation where he can get playing time and show something before he hits free agency. Rotting on the end of the bench before he becomes a free agent is doing nothing but hurting him. If he can go somewhere else at least there is a chance he can earn some more money. I think it's really that simple.

Only way I can see this being acceptable, is if the Spurs really thought he won't get any value back and has a real chance of being out of the league next year. Otherwise, it's a business and you can help him without turning it into a charity. If there's value to be had, they should try to maximize it. OKC does this all the time and just about everyone thinks the world of them as an organization. Just look at how many rookies they shipped out when they no longer worked for the organization.

 

[scott]

Only way I can see this being acceptable, is if the Spurs really thought he won't get any value back and has a real chance of being out of the league next year. Otherwise, it's a business and you can help him without turning it into a charity. If there's value to be had, they should try to maximize it. OKC does this all the time and just about everyone thinks the world of them as an organization. Just look at how many rookies they shipped out when they no longer worked for the organization.

Once the deadline hits tomorrow, there is no more value to be gotten. The Spurs have clearly made the decision that he isn't going to be part of the rotation. If no one is going to trade for him in the next 18 or so hours when he's practically free, they aren't going to come to us to work out a S&T in the summer. Once the deadline hits, he's destined to not even be offered a QO and his agent will be busting his ass to get him a 1-year min "prove it" deal somewhere.

You mentioned Lonnie Walker, but this is a lot different than that situation. Lonnie was actually playing, and actually had a nice little stretch after the ASB, scoring 20+ in 8 of 16 games played to close out the season. I'm sure if the Spurs could offer Sochan playing time to show anything, they'd go that route to do him a solid... but in this case he's going to do nothing but collect DNPs. Finding a new home now is really his only hope at signing a multi-year deal this summer.