Analysis Spurs Rotation Players w vs. w/o Wemby

[ambchang]

As part of a spin off from the Jeremy thread, I wanted to post the numbers of the rotational players w vs. w/o Wemby on the court, and more importantly of Wemby w vs. w/o that player.

My view is that if you can't play with Wemby, you don't have much of a future here on the Spurs as he is undoubtedly the franchise player.

Some of these numbers of the extreme small sample (say Fox), and they were all based on a disaster of a year from the 2024-25 season. Yes, I said disaster because I expected the Spurs to be much better than what they showed, even taking into account when Wemby's season was cut short. I subjectively blame this on coaching, as I just cannot understand what the heck was going on on the court last year, both on offence and defence, but that is for another thread. (Note, I love Pop, think he was the GOAT coach during his prime, but man he fell HARD the last few years).

I had to split the post into 3 as I exceeded the character limit that THAT much, so without further ado .....

As a reference, I put Wemby's stats overall, and also compare them with a theoretical all shooting lineup of Paul, Barnes, Champ and Mamu (I know that lineup doesn't exist anymore but wanted to see how Wemby performs when surrounded by shooters), as well as the friendship crew of Vassell, Keldon and Sochan (FFC):

Player On/Off	Minutes	ORtg	DRtg	NETRtg	USG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	STL%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Fox On	180	120.76	115.06	5.7	29.78	62.81	26.79	19.08	1.98	7.41	4.12	1.11
Fox Off	1244	114.87	112.48	2.39	31.79	58.33	17.62	17.53	1.74	10.91	5.1	1.01
Vassell On	661	113.16	116.01	-2.85	30.76	58.44	18.97	17.42	1.71	9.87	4.51	1.03
Vassell Off	762	117.77	109.98	7.79	32.23	59.23	18.7	17.99	1.83	11.08	5.38	1.02
Barnes On	897	116.22	111.22	5	33.28	59.15	17.42	18.36	1.71	10.05	5.61	1.02
Barnes Off	526	114.58	115.5	-0.92	28.59	58.32	21.12	16.58	1.88	11.3	3.9	1.03
Sochan On	468	115.97	110.02	5.94	31.2	56.86	17.65	17.19	0.87	11.28	5.44	1.01
Sochan Off	955	115.44	114.17	1.27	31.71	59.84	19.43	17.99	2.22	10.08	4.75	1.04
Champ On	720	116.08	112.9	3.17	31.82	58.26	20.14	16.78	2.08	10.57	4.97	1.01
Champ Off	703	115.13	112.71	2.43	31.26	59.49	17.43	18.69	1.47	10.4	4.98	1.03
KJ On	522	111.14	114.03	-2.89	29.2	55.73	20.58	17.42	1.69	10.85	4.43	0.97
KJ Off	902	118.21	12.1	6.11	32.91	60.5	17.81	17.9	1.83	10.28	5.29	1.05
Castle On	701	116.7	114.96	1.74	30.59	60.75	18.4	18.82	1.77	10.21	4.92	1.05
Castle Off	722	114.56	110.73	3.83	32.45	57.18	19.22	16.69	1.78	10.76	5.03	0.99
Shooters On	9 (I know)	117.65	137.25	-19.61	29.41	83.33	14.29	35.71	10.53	11.11	15	0.83
Shooters Off	43	116.69	101.52	15.17	15.07	61.16	25	25.68	0	11.9	1.35	1.14
FFC On	42	109.39	128.42	-19.02	26.53	44.86	16.67	16.44	0	5.66	1.35	0.86
FFC Off	287	123.23	111.98	11.25	35.44	61.17	18.56	17.49	2.73	9.56	5.49	1.06
Vass KJ On	179	104.89	124.09	-19.19	26.39	46.26	21.9	16.36	2.04	8.17	2.94	0.84
Vass KJ Off	419	120.53	111.01	9.52	33.52	58.45	17.72	18.02	2.1	10	5.53	1.01

 

[ambchang]

Apologize for the wall of numbers, but just looking at this, Vassell and KJ should be just updating their resume. Other than Fox, all the numbers have a decent sample size I would say (anything over 500 minutes should be valid, and Sochan's 468 is close enough), and Vassell and KJ were the only two with a negative net rating with Wemby. More damningly, Wemby's usage rate dropped by with Vassell (-1.47) and KJ (-3.71) on vs. off. Fox (-2.01) and Castle (-1.86) are high in that regard as well, but those two are point guards and Wemby is much more efficient (see PPP and TS%) with those two compared to Vassell and KJ.

I put in the friendship crew numbers in jest, and those are very small sample sizes but egads! Those are absolutely ugly. Given how Sochan actually fared pretty well with Wemby (slightly worse O, much better D), I took Sochan out and the numbers are pretty consistent. Unless Vassell and KJ learn to play with Wemby, their future on the team is really limited, and full disclosure, I like KJ.

Another interesting note, Champ works well with Wemby, which isn't a surprise, which makes Champ being sent to the bench after a hot start more the frustrating last year. Barnes had a pretty big impact with a 5.92 swing with him on vs. off, and shockingly his impact was on D, which I just can't really get.

Castle was also a bit of a shock to me, but keep in mind his offence really took over (with the usage rate) at the end of the season after Wemby was sidelined, but still, I expected him to help the team more on D than that. He does make Wemby quite a bit more efficient though.

 

[ambchang]

Now to look at the other side, what are these players' stats with vs. without Wemby. I have no idea why Fox's minute and ratings don't match up, so I may be reading things wrong, but would someone who is smarter than me help me out here (Fox is 120 minutes with Wemby, but Wemby is 180 minutes with Fox, like what?), everyone else's works:

Player	Wemby	Minutes	ORtg	DRtg	NETRtg	USG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	STL%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Fox	On	120	118.01	119.23	-1.22	25.58	57.43	28.4	6.85	2.94	0	3.11	1.03
Fox	Off	456	115.69	124.46	-8.76	26.32	52.81	27.93	6.95	2.02	0.98	3.74	0.93
Vassell	On	661	113.16	116.01	-2.85	21.22	53.9	15.47	5.64	2.1	0.91	2.29	0.98
Vassell	Off	1233	114.09	122.22	-8.14	23.28	54.9	13.04	7.74	2.21	1.6	2.25	1.01
Barnes	On	897	116.22	111.22	5	13.96	65.14	9.5	6.99	0.51	0.59	1.11	1.22
Barnes	Off	1247	116.1	122.05	-5.96	17.26	64.77	7.53	7.52	1.21	0.58	1.05	1.23
Sochan	On	468	115.97	110.02	5.94	18.76	64.4	12.05	14.04	1.64	1.15	2.83	1.13
Sochan	Off	864	114.11	120.15	-6.04	18.8	56.14	14.72	13.17	1.67	2.17	3.21	0.97
Champ	On	720	116.08	112.9	3.17	15.72	58.85	6.2	9.29	1.65	1.72	1.66	1.07
Champ	Off	1157	113	119.32	-6.33	18.36	57.09	8.98	8.19	1.69	1.61	2.04	1.04
KJ	On	522	111.14	114.03	-2.89	17.93	58.88	7.6	9.28	0.99	0.54	1.01	1.12
KJ	Off	1252	114.35	120.6	-6.25	23.19	56.79	11.52	11.64	1.53	1.16	2.68	1.03
Castle	On	701	116.7	114.96	1.74	24.31	53.98	19.57	5.73	1.33	0.76	3.4	0.95
Castle	Off	1365	114.31	122.97	-8.65	27.14	51.67	25.11	8.39	1.97	1.03	4.77	0.89

This does not look good at all, for every one. Barnes is the only one who has a NetRtg of better than -6 without Wemby, and Sochan is the 2nd best of this group with -6.04. To put that in perspective, The Wizards had a NetRtg of -12.3 last year to rank dead last. The 76ers had a net rating of -6.4 ranking 25th out of 30 teams last year. The next worst team was the Raptors at -4.3, so -6 is really God awful.

I will chalk up Fox's numbers sa small size and a whole lot of tanking, but I can't say I am not worried about Castle. We know his defence fell off a cliff at the end of the season, but for someone who is supposed to be a big part of the Spurs future, his efficiency (PPP and TS% both with and without Wemby is quite bad, especially when you factor in his pretty high usage rate. His defence was also quite bad, 2nd behind Fox in the w/o wemby numbers. I am not as highly optimistic about Castle as most here, even though I think he does have the work ethic and the smarts to take a quantum leap this year, and especially next year, but to say that he is some future superstar is a big premature.

 

[brazil]

Dat Vassell / KJ numbers are scary... not a big surprise tho

Nice breakdown Amb

 

[The_Second_Coming_of_VY65]

Kind of off topic but man, some of you all on here really need to get together and do a pod. The level of actual analysis here compared to the Jeff Garcia's and Matt Tynan's of the world is unbelievable. I wish I had more time.

 

[LeBowen]

Kind of off topic but man, some of you all on here really need to get together and do a pod. The level of actual analysis here compared to the Jeff Garcia's and Matt Tynan's of the world is unbelievable. I wish I had more time.

Spurstalk was my only source of Spurs content, tbh.
Nothing else out there is worth wasting my time on, ST covered everything and then some.
And hopefully we'll do the same in here.
As I already wrote, I expect this site to become really popular as Spurs become more and more competitve and people realize there won't be any politics/racism/trolling allowed which gave ST a bad reputation.
I'd expect Spurs content creators to at least give this place some credit when they take content and ideas which wasn't the case when they took stuff from ST.

 

[scott]

Great thread, can't wait to dive in more.

One thing worth pointing out, IMO, is that the Vassell/KJ duo was atrocious, with or without Wemby on the court. I remember looking at these numbers and starting a post on ST on this very topic. Essentially, those two players should NEVER share the court with one another (though tbh, their numbers without the other aren't that much better either). Vassell has the misfortunate stat of making almost every lineup he's a part of worse (at least this was true around the ASB last season... I haven't looked at year-end stats).

Player On	Player Off	Minutes	NetRTG	ORTG	DRTG
Vassell	Johnson	1143	-5.86	114.40	120.26
Johnson	Vassell	998	-4.73	112.91	117.64
	Johnson, Vassell	965	6.25	117.70	111.45
Johnson, Vassell		840	-7.52	112.44	119.97

 

[dn0774]

I’m a Castle believer. With that being said, his metrics and advanced stats are admittedly awful which these excellent charts show. He was put into a lead ball handler role that he was unqualified to play at this point in his career (he maintains he is a pg, I hope things play out differently and he ends up as a 2/3). His defense is more theoretical than anything right now; he has good tools and showed effort at it in college but it went off the rails last year when he entered his buffet offensive mode once the tank was on.

Unless major improvements happened over the summer, Castle will need to settle into a reduced usage role and give maximum effort on defense. Keldon and Devin are the real eye openers on those charts obviously, with Castle you at least can say he was a 19 year old rookie who was thrown into the deep end. Keldon and Devin are 2nd contract guys who should be carrying this team for solid stretches and yet by the numbers they are both deeply negative in impact. They need to be shipped out.

 

[dn0774]

Great thread, can't wait to dive in more.

One thing worth pointing out, IMO, is that the Vassell/KJ duo was atrocious, with or without Wemby on the court. I remember looking at these numbers and starting a post on ST on this very topic. Essentially, those two players should NEVER share the court with one another (though tbh, their numbers without the other aren't that much better either). Vassell has the misfortunate stat of making almost every lineup he's a part of worse (at least this was true around the ASB last season... I haven't looked at year-end stats).

Player On	Player Off	Minutes	NetRTG	ORTG	DRTG
Vassell	Johnson	1143	-5.86	114.40	120.26
Johnson	Vassell	998	-4.73	112.91	117.64
	Johnson, Vassell	965	6.25	117.70	111.45
Johnson, Vassell		840	-7.52	112.44	119.97

JFC

 

[scott]

Now to look at the other side, what are these players' stats with vs. without Wemby. I have no idea why Fox's minute and ratings don't match up, so I may be reading things wrong, but would someone who is smarter than me help me out here (Fox is 120 minutes with Wemby, but Wemby is 180 minutes with Fox, like what?), everyone else's works:

FWIW, pbpstats shows Fox and Wemby having 120 minutes played together. The 180 might be a Fantasy Labs glitch. (Side note, how do you like Fantasy Labs these days? I used to use their LP model heavily around 2017-18 when I was big into DFS and winning pretty significant money... oddly enough mostly on Hockey and Baseball, the two sports I know the least about... maybe a topic for another day).

 

[Kick-Stand]

I’m a Castle believer. With that being said, his metrics and advanced stats are admittedly awful which these excellent charts show. He was put into a lead ball handler role that he was unqualified to play at this point in his career (he maintains he is a pg, I hope things play out differently and he ends up as a 2/3). His defense is more theoretical than anything right now; he has good tools and showed effort at it in college but it went off the rails last year when he entered his buffet offensive mode once the tank was on.

Unless major improvements happened over the summer, Castle will need to settle into a reduced usage role and give maximum effort on defense. Keldon and Devin are the real eye openers on those charts obviously, with Castle you at least can say he was a 19 year old rookie who was thrown into the deep end. Keldon and Devin are 2nd contract guys who should be carrying this team for solid stretches and yet by the numbers they are both deeply negative in impact. They need to be shipped out.

Yeah Castle was a rookie, that's to be expected from rookies that aren't Wemby. Especially as Vecenie pointed out, that Castle was given extremely difficult defensive assignments nearly every night. Steph showed me enough last year to believe in his potential to become a high end defender and creator though he's certainly not that right now and he's certainly got the size and athleticism you love from a PG/SG. But yeah Vassell and KJ are almost certainly lost causes given they're both vets by now and never took any real jump.

 

[Kick-Stand]

I can't really ready anything into the minutes Victor and De'Aaron played together last year since that was all when we suspected Victor had a mysterious illness ala what Porzingis suffered through last year. Victor was a top 5 player in the league until around mid January and then his game fell off a cliff. I suspect it was more just being worn out having to carry a terrible team at age 21 and that he still needs another couple of years to develop the stamina to become the horse that carries a team night in and night out like Jokic, Doncic, or Antetokounmpo do. But maybe it was cedar pollen or long COVID or god knows what. I recall a doctor on ST saying it was unlikely that bad stretch was caused by the DVT. Anyways Fox has only gotten to play with meh version of Wemby we saw for those ~3 weeks or so.

 

[spurraider21]

I can't really ready anything into the minutes Victor and De'Aaron played together last year since that was all when we suspected Victor had a mysterious illness ala what Porzingis suffered through last year. Victor was a top 5 player in the league until around mid January and then his game fell off a cliff. I suspect it was more just being worn out having to carry a terrible team at age 21 and that he still needs another couple of years to develop the stamina to become the horse that carries a team night in and night out like Jokic, Doncic, or Antetokounmpo do. But maybe it was cedar pollen or long COVID or god knows what. I recall a doctor on ST saying it was unlikely that bad stretch was caused by the DVT. Anyways Fox has only gotten to play with meh version of Wemby we saw for those ~3 weeks or so.

the other part of many of the victor/fox minutes is that we were starting Paul and Fox together which never made sense to begin with

of the 120 minutes that Fox/Wemby played together, Paul was in 89 of them. thing will look very different this year, for better or worse

 

[scott]

the other part of many of the victor/fox minutes is that we were starting Paul and Fox together which never made sense to begin with

of the 120 minutes that Fox/Wemby played together, Paul was in 89 of them. thing will look very different this year, for better or worse

Great point. As much as I like Fox, I wouldn't pay him even the MLE to be a SG. He needs to be the lead PG to fully unlock his value.

 

[Shmurs]

I can't really ready anything into the minutes Victor and De'Aaron played together last year since that was all when we suspected Victor had a mysterious illness ala what Porzingis suffered through last year. Victor was a top 5 player in the league until around mid January and then his game fell off a cliff. I suspect it was more just being worn out having to carry a terrible team at age 21 and that he still needs another couple of years to develop the stamina to become the horse that carries a team night in and night out like Jokic, Doncic, or Antetokounmpo do. But maybe it was cedar pollen or long COVID or god knows what. I recall a doctor on ST saying it was unlikely that bad stretch was caused by the DVT. Anyways Fox has only gotten to play with meh version of Wemby we saw for those ~3 weeks or so.

his stupid allergies are going to be an annoying story in a couple months.

 

[Kick-Stand]

his stupid allergies are going to be an annoying story in a couple months.

I do have my doubts about it being cedar pollen though. I get wrecked by that shit every December-January but didn't have any problems in January this year and this last cedar pollen season was the weakest one I have seen out here in at least ten years. That's why I lean more to it being fatigue from not being ready to carry a team, which he was doing on both ends of the floor last season, at age 21.

 

[ambchang]

FWIW, pbpstats shows Fox and Wemby having 120 minutes played together. The 180 might be a Fantasy Labs glitch. (Side note, how do you like Fantasy Labs these days? I used to use their LP model heavily around 2017-18 when I was big into DFS and winning pretty significant money... oddly enough mostly on Hockey and Baseball, the two sports I know the least about... maybe a topic for another day).

I just use their stats. Not much of a fantasy guy or gambler so those things aren’t of much use to me.

Also a comment about your post about Vassell and keldon, I believe Vassell was bad throughout the year, advanced stats wise, which is why I’ve been on the get rid of him train, particularly trade him for wiggins. I think wiggins is what we all wish Vassell could be, and their contracts are similar yet wiggins has a couple of years less.

Keldon, I admit I like him, so I was bummed out when I see those stats, but no matter how I try to do mental gymnastics and how far I dig I can’t find any statistic that shows me any reason to keep keldon.

 

[ambchang]

Here's what we are seeing so far, putting wemby there as the benchmark:

Player​

Wemby​

Mins​

ORtg​

DRtg​

NetRtg​

USG%​

TS%​

AST%​

REB%​

STL%​

BLK%​

TO%​

PPP​

Wemby​

N/A​

129​

123.25​

95.65​

27.6​

33.54​

68.43​

15.71​

24.23​

2.56​

14.5​

2.65​

1.28​

Vassell​

On​

84​

132.08​

84.05​

48.03​

15.42​

51.47​

10.53​

4.58​

3.14​

0​

1.92​

0.93​

Vassell​

Off​

51​

124.24​

131.31​

-7.07​

31.25​

64.06​

11.11​

7.14​

1​

0​

6.9​

1.07​

Castle​

On​

89​

123.01​

99.09​

23.92​

29.21​

65.33​

24.14​

12.33​

2.41​

0​

10.46​

0.93​

Castle​

Off​

33​

102.67​

113.92​

-11.25​

38.64​

48.61​

29.41​

9.09​

1.43​

2.13​

12.9​

0.71​

Barnes​

On​

89​

118.93​

101.2​

17.72​

13.74​

57.5​

16.18​

4.14​

0​

1.05​

3.82​

0.88​

Barnes​

Off​

32​

135.05​

122.91​

12.14​

13.79​

66.6​

3.7​

0​

3.17​

2.56​

1.75​

1.21​

Champaigne​

On​

79​

114.57​

112.08​

2.49​

11.3​

53.85​

8.33​

12.59​

0.66​

1.06​

1.4​

0.97​

Champaigne​

Off​

36​

130.26​

101.32​

28.95​

11.57​

80.47​

10.34​

16.39​

1.33​

0​

1.52​

1.45​

 

[ambchang]

Player​

Wemby​

Mins​

ORtg​

DRtg​

NetRtg​

USG%​

TS%​

AST%​

REB%​

STL%​

BLK%​

TO%​

PPP​

Harper​

On​

56​

132.21​

80.75​

51.46​

22.22​

59.16​

22.5​

10.28​

3.03​

0​

3.13​

1.06​

Harper​

Off​

47​

137.12​

146.04​

-8.92​

27.99​

53.93​

27.78​

13.33​

1.156​

0​

6.1​

0.9​

Keldon​

On​

55​

129.23​

82​

47.24​

11.52​

66.9​

4.44​

14.29​

1.04​

0​

1.04​

1.25​

Keldon​

Off​

41​

117.57​

161.16​

-43.59​

19.26​

81.64​

10​

18.46​

2.63​

0​

0​

1.63​

McLaughlin​

On​

25​

121.03​

117.06​

3.97​

8.45​

50​

5.56​

0​

4.88​

0​

0​

1​

McLaughlin​

Off​

6​

147.54​

221.31​

-73.77​

23.61​

86.81​

33.33​

0​

7.69​

0​

0​

1.74​

Bryant​

On​

18​

116.07​

95.24​

20.83​

17.5​

86.81​

0​

3.33​

0​

7.14​

10.71​

0.85​

Bryant​

Off​

9​

121.69​

121.69​

0​

18.02​

0​

0​

18.18​

0​

0​

0​

0​

Kornet​

On​

16​

103.24​

94.4​

8.85​

17.13​

69.8​

30​

17.95​

0​

5.26​

0​

1.4​

Kornet​

Off​

33​

121.6​

105.87​

15.74​

7.96​

42.52​

14.29​

13.24​

0​

4.08​

1.64​

0.79​

OK, 4 games in, and a HUGE surprise, as in Vassell is leading the team in NetRtg. yes, the Vassell that I have been ragging on all year because of his horrible netRtg, with and without Wemby, last year.

So extremely small sample size, those times with McLaughlin and Bryant are more for completion's sake than anything, ultimately it means very little, if anything at all. that said, a 221.31 DRtg is really a sight to behold.
1) We are done without Wemby, the defense just craters without him, it is simply astounding.
2) We don't seem to have too much trouble scoring even without Wemby, and especially when Dylan is in the lineup. But that said, Castle seem to really struggle without Wemby.
3) Eye test is correct, Castle is gunning hard to be the next Turnobili
4) Surprised to know Kornet only played 16 minutes with Wemby, and he seems to not work that well offensively with him. His defence is great though, with or without Wemby.
5) Keldon's DRtg swing with vs. without Wemby is hilarious, but dude is efficient, I will give him that.
6) Harper is surprisingly bad on D without Wemby, I kept thinking he is doing well with or without our main guy, but numbers don't lie.
7) Unc is doing well with or without Wemby. He is actually the one with the smallest variance amongst the group. Vet and all that.
8) Champaigne should be way better with Wemby on offence and defence, but it's the opposite! Maybe the opposition is just paying extra attention to him when Wemby is on the floor? Have to watch the tapes.

The most likely reason for the wacky numbers though, it's only 4 games.

 

[brazil]

I can't really ready anything into the minutes Victor and De'Aaron played together last year since that was all when we suspected Victor had a mysterious illness ala what Porzingis suffered through last year. Victor was a top 5 player in the league until around mid January and then his game fell off a cliff. I suspect it was more just being worn out having to carry a terrible team at age 21 and that he still needs another couple of years to develop the stamina to become the horse that carries a team night in and night out like Jokic, Doncic, or Antetokounmpo do. But maybe it was cedar pollen or long COVID or god knows what. I recall a doctor on ST saying it was unlikely that bad stretch was caused by the DVT. Anyways Fox has only gotten to play with meh version of Wemby we saw for those ~3 weeks or so.

Stamina was a concern since his first year due to imo adaptation to the NBA but also size, young age and lack of maturity to know when to pace himself. He was routinely toasted in the middle of the third but then always had a strong finish last 5-6 minutes of the game. Besides, Victor is clearly affected by texas pollen or shit... on interviews Victor seemed to have regularly flu/cold like symptoms and had weeks speaking through his nose. From what I read last year blood clot can trigger symptoms like shortness of breath. I'm not medical expert but it kinda fits the period we are talking about. It was evident last year that, starting january, Victor stuggled more than usual with his shooting, with running the floor and extensive minutes.

It will be interesting to see what will happen this year after an extensive conditioning work. no blood clot and more experience on how to dose efforts. Victor will also have to learn to deal with those allergies.

 

[spurraider21]

The most likely reason for the wacky numbers though, it's only 4 games.

4 games, and 2 of which have come without Kornet

a lot of the players who look awful without wemby, for the last 2 games, have had to deal with the last line of defense being Biyombo, so their numbers will predictably suffer. Luke is no Wemby, but the non-wemby minutes wont be as painful when he's around

on/off numbers are not just about the player being replaced (wemby), but also who they are being replaced with (kornet vs biyombo)

 

[RC_Drunkford]

4 games, and 2 of which have come without Kornet

a lot of the players who look awful without wemby, for the last 2 games, have had to deal with the last line of defense being Biyombo, so their numbers will predictably suffer. Luke is no Wemby, but the non-wemby minutes wont be as painful when he's around

on/off numbers are not just about the player being replaced (wemby), but also who they are being replaced with (kornet vs biyombo)

this tbh. We had good defensive numbers with Kornet, but playing with Biyombo turns it into a layup line. The Raptors were 19/21 in the paint with Bismack being there. That's like playing 4 on 5.

 

[sKiN20]

Player​

Wemby​

Mins​

ORtg​

DRtg​

NetRtg​

USG%​

TS%​

AST%​

REB%​

STL%​

BLK%​

TO%​

PPP​

Harper​

On​

56​

132.21​

80.75​

51.46​

22.22​

59.16​

22.5​

10.28​

3.03​

0​

3.13​

1.06​

Harper​

Off​

47​

137.12​

146.04​

-8.92​

27.99​

53.93​

27.78​

13.33​

1.156​

0​

6.1​

0.9​

Keldon​

On​

55​

129.23​

82​

47.24​

11.52​

66.9​

4.44​

14.29​

1.04​

0​

1.04​

1.25​

Keldon​

Off​

41​

117.57​

161.16​

-43.59​

19.26​

81.64​

10​

18.46​

2.63​

0​

0​

1.63​

McLaughlin​

On​

25​

121.03​

117.06​

3.97​

8.45​

50​

5.56​

0​

4.88​

0​

0​

1​

McLaughlin​

Off​

6​

147.54​

221.31​

-73.77​

23.61​

86.81​

33.33​

0​

7.69​

0​

0​

1.74​

Bryant​

On​

18​

116.07​

95.24​

20.83​

17.5​

86.81​

0​

3.33​

0​

7.14​

10.71​

0.85​

Bryant​

Off​

9​

121.69​

121.69​

0​

18.02​

0​

0​

18.18​

0​

0​

0​

0​

Kornet​

On​

16​

103.24​

94.4​

8.85​

17.13​

69.8​

30​

17.95​

0​

5.26​

0​

1.4​

Kornet​

Off​

33​

121.6​

105.87​

15.74​

7.96​

42.52​

14.29​

13.24​

0​

4.08​

1.64​

0.79​

OK, 4 games in, and a HUGE surprise, as in Vassell is leading the team in NetRtg. yes, the Vassell that I have been ragging on all year because of his horrible netRtg, with and without Wemby, last year.

So extremely small sample size, those times with McLaughlin and Bryant are more for completion's sake than anything, ultimately it means very little, if anything at all. that said, a 221.31 DRtg is really a sight to behold.
1) We are done without Wemby, the defense just craters without him, it is simply astounding.
2) We don't seem to have too much trouble scoring even without Wemby, and especially when Dylan is in the lineup. But that said, Castle seem to really struggle without Wemby.
3) Eye test is correct, Castle is gunning hard to be the next Turnobili
4) Surprised to know Kornet only played 16 minutes with Wemby, and he seems to not work that well offensively with him. His defence is great though, with or without Wemby.
5) Keldon's DRtg swing with vs. without Wemby is hilarious, but dude is efficient, I will give him that.
6) Harper is surprisingly bad on D without Wemby, I kept thinking he is doing well with or without our main guy, but numbers don't lie.
7) Unc is doing well with or without Wemby. He is actually the one with the smallest variance amongst the group. Vet and all that.
8) Champaigne should be way better with Wemby on offence and defence, but it's the opposite! Maybe the opposition is just paying extra attention to him when Wemby is on the floor? Have to watch the tapes.

The most likely reason for the wacky numbers though, it's only 4 games.

Actually castle trying to bethe next porker/Enrique with his ballhog/ gero ball plays.

 

[ird80]

Spurs 4-0 with practically same squad as past 2 years. Proof of tanking