Player Sochan's Extension Watch

[KobesAchilles]

I mean I agree with you, our wing rotation is trash and Bryant in theory provides exactly what this team needs. But he looked pretty damn raw in Summer League, so his skills are all theoretical at this point (minus the defense). He's a rookie and the team overall is young/inexperienced, so unless he steps onto the court and is immediately 2012 Kawhi Leonard, I don't see him raising the ceiling of the team much at all. I also don't trust Mitch to give him significant minutes for awhile. Our team's success this season comes down to Vic/Fox and and whether Castle is the real deal or just the ROTY in a historically weak draft, imo

Rookie Kawhi averaged 8 points, 5 boards, an assist and a steal a game. He also took 6 shots a game and was a 5th option on offense. He shot %37 from 3 but only made 35 of them for the shorter year.

But he was big, athletic, fought for boards and did his job. Carter can do that role this year

 

[pad300]

the shit at 1:25 is one of those glaring examples of Sochan lacking the awareness to make the obvious play and bogging offense down. you dont get the "connective" label unless you are capable of making easy reads like this

??? At 1:25 in that video, the spurs are playing D, not O. And yeah, Sochan is getting stuck on a pick at that moment, but that happens, and then he gets the rebound off the shot that Wemby tipped... What's so horrible about that play?

 

[spurraider21]

??? At 1:25 in that video, the spurs are playing D, not O. And yeah, Sochan is getting stuck on a pick at that moment, but that happens, and then he gets the rebound off the shot that Wemby tipped... What's so horrible about that play?

not having the awareness to hit Wemby for an uncontested dunk after securing the rebound

 

[Fabbs]

Serious Q.

Can the Spurs offer Sochan a 1 year extention. Since he's on his last year now (correct?) that would be for 26-27.
Club option. Or would Sochan and agent not even consider that whatsoever?

 

[LeBowen]

Serious Q.

Can the Spurs offer Sochan a 1 year extention. Since he's on his last year now (correct?) that would be for 26-27.
Club option. Or would Sochan and agent not even consider that whatsoever?

We can give him a qualifying offer that won't be much higher than his 25-26 salary for 26-27 season.
Obviously that's an option only if he doesn't get any better offers, but we'd still keep the RFA status to match if needed.

 

[Fabbs]

We can give him a qualifying offer that won't be much higher than his 25-26 salary for 26-27 season.
Obviously that's an option only if he doesn't get any better offers, but we'd still keep the RFA status to match if needed.

Ya because as is, on an expiring contract no other teams are going to offer squat are they? Unless he comes out smoking this season. In which case Spurs would probably keep.
I'm trying to get best possible return for him. Not bullish on his improvement but if he surprises, great.

 

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah, I was thinking something along those lines for a long time (posted that at ST probably when Wemby got drafted). Definitely not making the play in will be pinned on Wemby, and used against him personally in individual accolades. It always plays a part, but I can see the big media being especially vicious with Wemby if Spurs fall short of the play in, some even pushing an agenda to drive him away from the Spurs. I wouldn't want that with extension negotiations looming on the horizon. I'd say:
1) making the play in should be the bare minimum for heads not to roll (unless major health issues happen, knock on wood)
2) making the playoffs via the play in (and developing the young core) should qualify as meeting expectations.
3) making the playoffs outright and presenting battle in the first round should qualify as a success.
More than that would be awesome.

Making the playoffs falls more on Fox’s shoulders in my opinion. He was brought in as “the piece” to level us up. Not to take any heat off Wemby but I feel it’s really on Fox to make it work.

 

[Ariel]

Ya because as is, on an expiring contract no other teams are going to offer squat are they? Unless he comes out smoking this season. In which case Spurs would probably keep.
I'm trying to get best possible return for him. Not bullish on his improvement but if he surprises, great.

He's not a regular expiring (i.e., 'rental'), next offseason he's a RFA so any team trading for Sochan would get a right to match offers, and that gives them a lot of leverage. Yeah, if any team likes him they have incentive to make an offer.

 

[Ariel]

Making the playoffs falls more on Fox’s shoulders in my opinion. He was brought in as “the piece” to level us up. Not to take any heat off Wemby but I feel it’s really on Fox to make it work.

Yeah, Fox is definitely under the spotlight too, but the media will focus on Wemby first because he's the 'generational talent' expected to push for 'MVP'. TBH, this is as much on the FO and coaching as it is on them, if Spurs make even moderate adjustments (say, some 2 way shooting wings / forwards) there's no reason this team should be worse than a lot of others projected to go higher (Clippers, Lakers, GSW, etc).

 

[Fabbs]

He's not a regular expiring (i.e., 'rental'), next offseason he's a RFA so any team trading for Sochan would get a right to match offers, and that gives them a lot of leverage. Yeah, if any team likes him they have incentive to make an offer.

So if Sochan blows up (does well) he will certainly get offers and thus the Spurs have to decide whether to match.
Thus the poker game begins.
Like when the Lakers were going to extend Austin Reeves. Some of the board thought hey make him an offer just to drive the price up to the Flamers, who at the time seemed bent on giving him the max.

How often do teams make an offer for the sole purpose of driving the price up?

 

[The Truth #6]

The state-run media is obviously following some sort of company line, which might be trying to drive down his value for negotiations just as much as anything else.

On the flip side, I don't see Carter being ready in most realistic scenarios. But if for some reason the Spurs decided they're moving on from Jeremy, then that would be the one reason I see Carter possibly getting minutes this year.

 

[Shmurs]

If his year turns out good enough to earn more than the MLE, that would be an extremely rare amount of progress for a player with no known ball skills to make that quickly. I don’t know if I can remember a high pedigree guy who turns out to actually be bad to then become good in one summer. If he does that, good on him. The FO, I think, knows that’s not how it works. They also probably are already aware he still can’t shoot. State run media had a very surprising dig on his shooting.

 

[Fabbs]

IYO did Sochan gain any ball handling + passing skills in Pops forced point guard fiasco or was the result simply establishing he does not have handles?

 

[RC_Drunkford]

People are talking about an extension , but there’s a good chance he‘s on the trade block at the deadline if his shot doesn’t improve

 

[BacktoBasics]

The state-run media is obviously following some sort of company line, which might be trying to drive down his value for negotiations just as much as anything else.

On the flip side, I don't see Carter being ready in most realistic scenarios. But if for some reason the Spurs decided they're moving on from Jeremy, then that would be the one reason I see Carter possibly getting minutes this year.

I think it’s the other way around. If Carter shows he can be a rotational player early on that makes Sochan way more expendable.

But I don’t think Carter is anywhere ready. Two years maybe.

 

[BacktoBasics]

IYO did Sochan gain any ball handling + passing skills in Pops forced point guard fiasco or was the result simply establishing he does not have handles?

I feel he gained a lot from that. Boneheaded passes still exist but I feel he’s found his way out of those situations with better results.

 

[The Truth #6]

I think it’s the other way around. If Carter shows he can be a rotational player early on that makes Sochan way more expendable.

But I don’t think Carter is anywhere ready. Two years maybe.

So...then you agree with me? Ha.

 

[Shmurs]

IYO did Sochan gain any ball handling + passing skills in Pops forced point guard fiasco or was the result simply establishing he does not have handles?

Bench guy in college making mild gains in ball skills over his first 100 games is what happened. Just normal incidental development.

He still sprints into the paint with the ball and then picks up his dribble and looks all over the place for a way out. When he stops doing that there can be a conversation about the merits of Point Sochan

 

[TR21]

the shit at 1:25 is one of those glaring examples of Sochan lacking the awareness to make the obvious play and bogging offense down. you dont get the "connective" label unless you are capable of making easy reads like this

That was a terrible read by Sochan. He has minimal vision and no basketball IQ. The PG Sochan experiment is another reason Gregg is the most overrated coach of all time. Spurs have to consolidate his contract with either Vassell or Johnson before he has negative value (if he doesn't already) (he probably already does)

 

[The Truth #6]

I think the Sochan PG experiment was a rare moment of Pop speeding up the process and being uncharacteristically reckless. Kind of like an old person backing up the car at the HEB parking lot without looking behind them, with no regard for anyone around them.

I think, perhaps, that he liked Sochan's fearless attitude, which was more pronounced on a team of disappointing players. Obviously, it was a disaster and ill advised and an apocalyptic way to begin Victor's career. And no it wasn't tanking.

But I still want Jeremy on the team.

 

[PanameSpur]

Imagining Spurs offering Sochan an extension, whatever the amount is, gives me anxiety...


He's just unusable, too many limitations, too few improvements = can't see a 180 happening anytime soon

 

[dn0774]

Imagining Spurs offering Sochan an extension, whatever the amount is, gives me anxiety...


He's just unusable, too many limitations, too few improvements = can't see a 180 happening anytime soon

Basically this.

The question I can't answer, what skill/quality does Sochan bring that is so incredible/irreplaceable that it makes all of the downsides worth it? Also, I understand he is 22 and people that age typically improve, but why has he not functionally improved already from his rookie year? Is that on Jeremy or Spurs development or a bit of both?

I just don't see the juice ever being worth the squeeze when it comes to Sochan. I am sure he will have the occasional monster game (25 pts/15 reb type shit) but all it seems to mean is that the ball bounced to him more than usual when he was near the basket, not because of any actual improvement.

Give him 7th or 8th man money ($10 mil per) if he really is just that wonderful behind the scenes, but more than that and it will be destined to go on the list of bad contracts BWright has handed out recently (Vassell, Keldon, Zollins).

 

[RC_Drunkford]

I just never understood where that „connector on offense“ rumor came from? When has he ever been known for playmaking?

 

[LeBowen]

I just never understood where that „connector on offense“ rumor came from? When has he ever been known for playmaking?

Passing up on open shots = connector.

 

[samurai]

I just don't see the juice ever being worth the squeeze when it comes to Sochan. I am sure he will have the occasional monster game (25 pts/15 reb type shit) but all it seems to mean is that the ball bounced to him more than usual when he was near the basket, not because of any actual improvement.

This is where the weird Sochan cult comes out of the woodwork ignoring the previous 15 games, 'Jeremy heard yall talkin shit!'