Player Sochan's Extension Watch

[KobesAchilles]

Definitely hard to say whether he's dragging them down... but he's certainly not done anything to make one think he makes them better.

There was a point last year when he missed some games that I observed that when he's out... I don't think of him at all. That might be the most damning thing for a player, to be just completely forgettable. Never once have I thought to myself "if only Sochan were playing tonight"

That’s pretty much where I’m at right now. He doesn’t improve the team at all.

 

[ambchang]

Definitely hard to say whether he's dragging them down... but he's certainly not done anything to make one think he makes them better.

There was a point last year when he missed some games that I observed that when he's out... I don't think of him at all. That might be the most damning thing for a player, to be just completely forgettable. Never once have I thought to myself "if only Sochan were playing tonight"

That I can’t argue against the last two years. The spurs were essentially playing glorified street ball the last few years where there weren’t any coherent offensive or defensive structure, so role players, and sochan is as obvious a role player if there ever was one, provide little value.

Add to the fact the sochan is way below average in offence creation and street ball is just basically a bunch of one on ones, and sochan was useless.

This year though, and I’m hoping for the case, is that we are finally implementing some type of professional basketball plays, so role players will be able to do role player things, cut, screen, box out, defend, rotate, run the floor, etc. it depends on whether sochan is smart enough to fill those roles but if Vassell and keldon can, I think sochan can too.

 

[KobesAchilles]

That I can’t argue against the last two years. The spurs were essentially playing glorified street ball the last few years where there weren’t any coherent offensive or defensive structure, so role players, and sochan is as obvious a role player if there ever was one, provide little value.

Add to the fact the sochan is way below average in offence creation and street ball is just basically a bunch of one on ones, and sochan was useless.

This year though, and I’m hoping for the case, is that we are finally implementing some type of professional basketball plays, so role players will be able to do role player things, cut, screen, box out, defend, rotate, run the floor, etc. it depends on whether sochan is smart enough to fill those roles but if Vassell and keldon can, I think sochan can too.

Well it is his contract year so if we are ever going to have him play up to his potential then it is this year.
He has a lot of pressure on him this year and I’m not sure how mentally strong he is at handling all that pressure. Not many people can handle their livelihood being taken away from them or their minutes being reduced or their role being reduced. I think this is his last year as a Spur but I wish him nothing but success this year. I hope he balls out and plays amazing.

 

[CGD]

Bottom line is that this is a HUGE prove it year for Jermey. Im pulling hard for him to do well.

Keldon and Dev got the message: get in line/shape up or your days on this team are numbered. Hopefully Sochan does too.

 

[scott]

That I can’t argue against the last two years. The spurs were essentially playing glorified street ball the last few years where there weren’t any coherent offensive or defensive structure, so role players, and sochan is as obvious a role player if there ever was one, provide little value.

Add to the fact the sochan is way below average in offence creation and street ball is just basically a bunch of one on ones, and sochan was useless.

This year though, and I’m hoping for the case, is that we are finally implementing some type of professional basketball plays, so role players will be able to do role player things, cut, screen, box out, defend, rotate, run the floor, etc. it depends on whether sochan is smart enough to fill those roles but if Vassell and keldon can, I think sochan can too.

I think that's fair and Sochan does deserve at least some opportunity to show whether he can contribute. But... IMO, the leash should be fairly short.

 

[Exstatic]

Definitely hard to say whether he's dragging them down... but he's certainly not done anything to make one think he makes them better.

There was a point last year when he missed some games that I observed that when he's out... I don't think of him at all. That might be the most damning thing for a player, to be just completely forgettable. Never once have I thought to myself "if only Sochan were playing tonight"

 

[spurs10]

When is the last time he played? I can't remember.

 

[PanameSpur]

I think that's fair and Sochan does deserve at least some opportunity to show whether he can contribute. But... IMO, the leash should be fairly short.

I agree of course on the fact that he deserves to have a shot at shutting our mouths, however, do you think/agree that we played "street bb and mostly 1vs1 bb" for the last 2 seasons and it's one of the reasons Sochan couldn't shine??

My eyes saw the opposite, even tanking the game has always relied on passing and moving especially to mitigate the lack of individual talents.

I know Devin and KJ aren't playmakers but Tre was sharing and pop and Mitch always taught the same Spurs BB principles.

Sochan actually benefited from this passing game bc as we all know he can't create his own shot. He shined as a cutter and in P&R plays.

Let's wait and see but why try find bs excuse?

 

[scott]

I agree of course on the fact that he deserves to have a shot at shutting our mouths, however, do you think/agree that we played "street bb and mostly 1vs1 bb" for the last 2 seasons and it's one of the reasons Sochan couldn't shine??

My eyes saw the opposite, even tanking the game has always relied on passing and moving especially to mitigate the lack of individual talents.

I know Devin and KJ aren't playmakers but Tre was sharing and pop and Mitch always taught the same Spurs BB principles.

Sochan actually benefited from this passing game bc as we all know he can't create his own shot. He shined as a cutter and in P&R plays.

Let's wait and see but why try find bs excuse?

I do think we were rather disjointed for a lot of Sochan's first three years. He looked best at the beginning of last season (IMO) with CP3 before he got injured in that early season game @ LAC when we blew that massive early lead (after Sochan went out, coincidently). He was still quite clearly inept from 3pt range, but I recall he was doing fairly decently as a guy in the dunker spot. Of course, this was also very early in the Wemby Chucker Era, and Wemby was quite ineffective with that style of play during that stretch (Wemby was 11/50 from 3PT range in these first 7 games).

So... when I thought Sochan looked best... Wemby was quite frustrating to watch. So to your point... I am concerned about Sochan's ability to shine in THIS offensive scheme.

 

[scott]

When is the last time he played? I can't remember.

Homie hasn't played since March 30.

 

[TAPS]

Sochan, Kornet, Olynyk: Our defensive glass wall.

 

[PanameSpur]

Sochan, Kornet, Olynyk: Our defensive glass wall.

Even with the 3 of them available, our roster doesn't make much sense.

The issues are way deeper, the lack of shooting or inexperienced coaching are even more costly than the lack of size

 

[TAPS]

Wemby is the only big man playing, I think front court is a huge issue.

 

[PanameSpur]

Wemby is the only big man playing, I think front court is a huge issue.

That could be mitigated with decent shooting or good coaching.

But those are literally the Spurs' 3 main weaknesses.

 

[picnroll]

Is he trying to eliminate the hitch by pausing before going into his shot?

What I see in the knee bend and pause is he’s not twisting like on his earlier videos of three pointers. Maybe they’re trying to get rid of that. In any event I’m looking forward to seeing if Sochan has made any improvement. First 6 games Champaigne’s shooting 30% on 3s so I don’t think Sochan can do much worse than that.

 

[Shmurs]

What I see in the knee bend and pause is he’s not twisting like on his earlier videos of three pointers. Maybe they’re trying to get rid of that. In any event I’m looking forward to seeing if Sochan has made any improvement. First 6 games Champaigne’s shooting 30% on 3s so I don’t think Sochan can do much worse than that.

Is Sochan a worse shooter than Julian? The great question of our time.

 

[picnroll]

Is Sochan a worse shooter than Julian? The great question of our time.

Cute but not the point.

 

[Splits]

What I see in the knee bend and pause is he’s not twisting like on his earlier videos of three pointers. Maybe they’re trying to get rid of that. In any event I’m looking forward to seeing if Sochan has made any improvement. First 6 games Champaigne’s shooting 30% on 3s so I don’t think Sochan can do much worse than that.

29% career and you think a 37% career is going to do worse than that because of 6 fucking games? GTFOH

 

[picnroll]

So if Sochan played the first 6 games and shot his career average he wouldn’t have done worse than Champaigne in those 6 games. Got it?Outstanding use of emoticons though.

 

[Shmurs]

You’re just saying that any player could potentially out shoot any other player on any given night. That is true. But that is not something to plan personnel around. Julian is exponentially better at shooting, and 1 summer cannot change that.

 

[scott]

If Sochan comes out here, makes his first 3, and then doesn't shoot another all season... does it mean he's turned the corner?

 

[picnroll]

You’re just saying that any player could potentially out shoot any other player on any given night. That is true. But that is not something to plan personnel around. Julian is exponentially better at shooting, and 1 summer cannot change that.

Unlikely he shoots as high a 3 pt % as Champaigne hustorically has but I’d say if he has improved and can get to about 35% similarly to the improvement Castle has shown so far after the first 6 games then I’d argue given other qualities he has that Champaigne lacks or Barnes for that matter a case can be made for him starting. Lets give him a dozen or so games and see what he has. If he hasn’t shown improvement then maybe a mid season trade should be considered. Some teams coild use him as is.

Main point of my original comment is that maybe the knee bend and pause is to work on correcting the twist he was showing on his three point shot which he’s not showing on the shots in this video.

 

[KobesAchilles]

Idc about his shooting percentage. I care more about attempts and makes. Him shooting 40% but only taking less than 2 a game doesn’t mean anything to me

 

[Shmurs]

35% from what - wide open corner 3’s? You actually need him to get to 40% or so for those for the D to stop sagging. 35% from Jeremy’s spots would be too far below league average.

I don’t really think it helps if he’s just herb jones either. A guy with an iffy shot that teams intend to guard but aren’t 100% dialed in. That’s not really good enough for the way this offense wants to be with things orbiting around Vic. He needs spacers more than the average guy.

 

[picnroll]

Last post on this subject for me but on 3stepsbasket.com in 24-25 Sochan’s 3 pt % from the left corner was 40% and left top of the key 50%. His percentage on top of the key, right top of key and right side were much lower, 25, 26 and 21% respectively. Granted these were on a low volume. Players tend to spot up on a preferred side. Denver’s Aaron Gordon is almost always on the right. Nevertheless given the work he’s put and clear change in shooting form I see hope for the future