Player Sochan's Extension Watch

picnroll said:
Last post on this subject for me but on 3stepsbasket.com in 24-25 Sochan’s 3 pt % from the left corner was 40% and left top of the key 50%. His percentage on top of the key, right top of key and right side were much lower, 25, 26 and 21% respectively. Granted these were on a low volume. Players tend to spot up on a preferred side. Denver’s Aaron Gordon is almost always on the right. Nevertheless given the work he’s put and clear change in shooting form I see hope for the future
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"I just got to be me and keep doing that," he said of his aggressive play. "I don't think everyone knows the full story (about the Spurs decision not to extend him). For me, I think I've always been a Spur and I always will, and I'm just happy to be in this locker room with the teammates. I'm going to do everything to be here.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/...ueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
 
"I don't think everyone knows the full story" can mean a lot of things... one of them, which hasn't been talked about, may be to extend him after he hits RFA to have more cap flexibility... though I don't know how well that theory lines up with our actual cap sheet.
 
OK Computer said:
Tbf I think it’s because his defensive assignment was Luka for most of the time he played, which meant he’d be further away from the basket when the shots go up.
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Fair point for last night's game, but having said that, I don't think Jeremy has ever been a good rebounder.
 
Ice009 said:
Fair point for last night's game, but having said that, I don't think Jeremy has ever been a good rebounder.
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@ambchang has shared some fantastic data on Sochan actually being a quite good rebounder. Last night was disappointing on that front, but I'll give him a pass being his first game back.
 
scott said:
@ambchang has shared some fantastic data on Sochan actually being a quite good rebounder. Last night was disappointing on that front, but I'll give him a pass being his first game back.
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overall didnt rebound well but had a huge putback late
 
Why did you have to drag me into this @scott? I was just gonna let it slide because at this point if people still think sochan was never a good rebounder then nothing will change their mind.

The numbers are there. Raw numbers, per minute, rebounding percentage all point to him being at least a good rebounder, no Charles bassey good mind you but good.
 
ambchang said:
Why did you have to drag me into this @scott? I was just gonna let it slide because at this point if people still think sochan was never a good rebounder then nothing will change their mind.

The numbers are there. Raw numbers, per minute, rebounding percentage all point to him being at least a good rebounder, no Charles bassey good mind you but good.
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Just trynta give credit where it is due!
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just seem to remember him missing rebounds in crucial situations the past couple of seasons where he was in the vicinity/position to get one. I guess going by the eye test isn't the best way to judge it.
Edit : I didn't mean only on crucial possessions, but those stick out to me. I have seen him miss rebounds throughout the game that IMO he should have gotten to. So going by eye test, I've never thought he's a good rebounder. Never looked at the raw numbers.
 
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Duncan missed a tip with the title on the line. I guess he was a poor scorer.
 
he is not big or athletic enough to be the rebounder people want. Hes also not a savant like Rodman was.

Hes good at garbage collection boards but he’s not like Keldon, who will go grab a ball he has no business grabbing.
 
If he can't rebound and box out then this team needs someone else at pf in the starting line up that can. Wemby shouldn't be made to have to do that all himself.
 
Guys, it's really not that hard, why can't you just look up numbers instead of just throwing random shit up with absolutely nothing to back up. It has been shown, time and again, Sochan is a way above average rebounder. To throw out random shit like these are "garbage boards" based on absolutely nothing is simply acting in bad faith, and going on about refusing to own up to your own stupid takes. It's almost like people are not only doubling down on their stupidity, but taking pride in out stupiding the next.

Sochan ranked 1st on the team in contested rebounding % (after Minix and Ingram who didn't play enough meaningful minutes to be ranked) at 44%, the next highest is Bassey and Wemby at 38.8% and 38.3%. His rebounding % is so much higher than 2nd place Bassey that the gap is the slightly more than the gap between Bassey and the #6 ranked KJ. In fact, of all the players in the league who played more than 10 mpg and played more than 20 games for the season, Sochan ranked 42 out of 408 players in contested rebounding % last year. Kornhub ranks #1 btw.

He is second on the team in deferred rebound changes at 1 per game (Wemby is #1 at 1.5) and given Wemby plays about 8 minutes (or about 33% more minutes than Sochan, that is really damned close. He's number 3 on the team in average rebounding distance (behind Bassey and Wemby) which means that these are tough close to the basket fought it out type of boards, and factoring in that he is #2 on the team in OREB % at 10% (behind Bassey at 15.9%), when OReb are ridiculously difficult and physical to get, there is ZERO basis to say that those are "garbage" rebounds.

Now are you going to continue to throw out uninforrmed, unresearched, baseless claims to show the world that you are lazy, has questionable basketball knowledge and holds zero objectivity, or are you actually going to educate yourself first, or at least find things to back your diarrhea?
 
ambchang said:
Guys, it's really not that hard, why can't you just look up numbers instead of just throwing random shit up with absolutely nothing to back up. It has been shown, time and again, Sochan is a way above average rebounder. To throw out random shit like these are "garbage boards" based on absolutely nothing is simply acting in bad faith, and going on about refusing to own up to your own stupid takes. It's almost like people are not only doubling down on their stupidity, but taking pride in out stupiding the next.

Sochan ranked 1st on the team in contested rebounding % (after Minix and Ingram who didn't play enough meaningful minutes to be ranked) at 44%, the next highest is Bassey and Wemby at 38.8% and 38.3%. His rebounding % is so much higher than 2nd place Bassey that the gap is the slightly more than the gap between Bassey and the #6 ranked KJ. In fact, of all the players in the league who played more than 10 mpg and played more than 20 games for the season, Sochan ranked 42 out of 408 players in contested rebounding % last year. Kornhub ranks #1 btw.

He is second on the team in deferred rebound changes at 1 per game (Wemby is #1 at 1.5) and given Wemby plays about 8 minutes (or about 33% more minutes than Sochan, that is really damned close. He's number 3 on the team in average rebounding distance (behind Bassey and Wemby) which means that these are tough close to the basket fought it out type of boards, and factoring in that he is #2 on the team in OREB % at 10% (behind Bassey at 15.9%), when OReb are ridiculously difficult and physical to get, there is ZERO basis to say that those are "garbage" rebounds.

Now are you going to continue to throw out uninforrmed, unresearched, baseless claims to show the world that you are lazy, has questionable basketball knowledge and holds zero objectivity, or are you actually going to educate yourself first, or at least find things to back your diarrhea?
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wise words, but you're directing them at people who will question everything good about Sochan's game.
 
Unseen said:
If he can't rebound and box out then this team needs someone else at pf in the starting line up that can. Wemby shouldn't be made to have to do that all himself.
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Sochan ranked second on the team last year on % of offensive Box outs at 35.3%, which would have ranked #41 out of the 408 players to have played more than 20 games and 10 mpg last year. A player gets the rebound 0.3 times when he boxes out which would've ranked him 117th in the league. He boxes out 0.6 times a game, which ranked him 133 last year, and that's 5th on the team behind Biyombo, Bassey, Barnes and Wemby
 
To all the optimistic fans, I invite you to focus tonight on his decisions without the ball, his (missed) rotations, his (unnecessary) over help that frees his guy and maybe your judgment regarding his supposed "great defense" will be adjusted
 
PanameSpur said:
To all the optimistic fans, I invite you to focus tonight on his decisions without the ball, his (missed) rotations, his (unnecessary) over help that frees his guy and maybe your judgment regarding his supposed "great defense" will be adjusted
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Most people here aren’t trying to campaign for others to share their opinion like it’s some political rally. I don’t get why some put so much energy into tearing down a player and making sure everyone knows about it, post after post.
 
OK Computer said:
Most people here aren’t trying to campaign for others to share their opinion like it’s some political rally. I don’t get why some put so much energy into tearing down a player and making sure everyone knows about it, post after post.
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That's not my point at all, why always looking for the worst possible interpretation just bc you disagree?

My point is for us to have a better understanding of our disagreement, nothing more. Clearly some who defend him all the time are missing what some others see, so I just pointed an aspect that highlights the criticism.

Most of the time it's the "on ball" time that is judged but imo the game without the ball is as important, shows IQ and anticipation etc
 
His game against the lakers was really good, but he might actually be a scrub. He was looking like he doesn’t knows how to do anything with the basketball against the rockets. He might be a minimum salary player tbh
 
We litteraly started playing better when Mitch stoped using him.

For all the energy he brings on defense, he's careless and disrupt the offenive flow.
 
He’d be a good 11th 12th man, tbh seems like the guys like having him around
 
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